Zeitgeist (The Movie)

[regnauld]

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to be fair with INC, i don't think they're the only ones capable of mob violence. even catholics are good at it. or the muslims. or the baptists. or the ADD. it could be any group.

Yes that's possible to all FAITHS and I was only speaking about my experience.

I don't think so that's possible in public. Maybe in Plaza Independencia siguro but not in Fuente Osmena!

[Hellblazer 2.1]

murag wa man sad tingali na speakers ang mga dagkung TV diha.

[Red.Emano]

similar maybe. but not accurate. i think Manalo was a Mason. murag OT na man ni.

Yes, this is. Anyway, I've heard and read that he is a Mason.

[Red.Emano]

hehe... zeitgeist/tvp is only advocating a culture that's not as destructive as our present culture. And i may sound "elitist" when i say this but... people with little background in psychology, sociology, economics, science, politics will have a hard time grasping the information being presented in the movies.

my friend and i was just conversing about what you said. naay pagka 'idealistic' ang Zeitgeist. money masters has some more practical solutions to this....

remember, everyone is dependent on the system. ma kuratan palang, whole world will crumble.

[pusang_iring]

my friend and i was just conversing about what you said. naay pagka 'idealistic' ang Zeitgeist. money masters has some more practical solutions to this....

remember, everyone is dependent on the system. ma kuratan palang, whole world will crumble.

The money masters solution while noble just isn't enough....It doesnt address problems such as technological unemployment, inherent greed and corruption, planned obsolescence etc...

We are dependent on it only as the higher powers want us to be.

[pusang_iring]

The Zeitgeist views seems anthrophocentric to me... (i dont know if thats a bad thing)
But how would Fresco view animal welfare? should we still eat them? should we still leave them in their natural habitat killing each other? how about robots? Does Fresco want a robot equalling humans or even exceed us? such that the Earth will now be controlled by robots in every aspect instead of humans bcoz robots are more technically capable?

[grovestreet]

let's nit-pick some of the points being addressed in the activist orientation guide.pdf.

here is one, this i like to discuss... hehe

The Distortion of Values
Our Beliefs and Values are shaped by culture. While there is a genetic basis to certain human
attributes and behaviors, the knowledge we have and the way we think about and act upon that
knowledge is fundamentally an environmental phenomenon.

With that in mind, the monetary system requires a form of communication to inform the public of
what a company has made available for sale. This form of communication is termed ‘advertising’.
The characteristic of advertising is ‘promotion’ and promotion is a manner of communication, which,
generally speaking, creates a bias in favor of the product in question. In other words, advertising’s job is to entice…or in more direct terms – manipulate the consumer into purchasing a product. This
manipulation takes many forms, but one of the most effective is the manipulation and/or exploitation of the viewing audience’s “values” - what he or she finds important.

However, before we go any further, it needs to be pointed out that the mass consumption patterns
currently seen in the United States and elsewhere were not always the case. America originally was
founded, to some degree, on a kind of Protestant work ethic, where thrift and savings were dominant values. However, by the early 20th century, a concerted effort by the business community set out to 16 distort these notions and mold a new army of impulsive, perpetually dissatisfied, status conscious consumers. Advertising agencies switched their arguments from utilitarian ones to those gauged for emotional appeal and status. Consequently, today the average American consumes twice as much as he or she did since the end of WWII.10
Now, one of the most powerful forms of ‘value manipulation’ comes from re-associating a person’s
identity to a particular ideal. Patriotism and Religion are classical examples of this, for through
indoctrination at an early age, a person is often conditioned to feel a close personal connection to a country or religion, hence conditioning that person to want to support the doctrines, unconditionally.
Another example of this is the concept of “fashion”. Fashion takes many forms, from the clothes
people wear to even the ideologies they perpetuate. To illustrate how successful the commercial
industry has become in manipulating the values of human beings for their own gain, many people
today can be seen walking around wearing certain commercial articles, merely for the purpose of expressing a company’s brand, contriving some kind of apparent social status or “stylistic expression” from them. Signature “Tommy Hilfiger” shirts, trade marked “Prada Bags” and flashy Rolex watches are examples of products where the utility or function of an item has lost total relevance, with importance now derived by what the item “represents”. Sadly, what these people often do not realize is that they are nothing more than walking advertisements for the respective company, plain and simple. The “status” or “expression” really exists entirely in the conditioned ‘value projections’ of that person, and if enough people become manipulated in the same way, a “trend” emerges, which further reinforces the delusion by way of collective identification. These trends can become so powerful, that those who do not adhere to the fad, might be deemed “outcasts” and be ostracized.

your thoughts?

[grovestreet]

The Zeitgeist views seems anthrophocentric to me... (i dont know if thats a bad thing)
But how would Fresco view animal welfare? should we still eat them? should we still leave them in their natural habitat killing each other? how about robots? Does Fresco want a robot equalling humans or even exceed us? such that the Earth will now be controlled by robots in every aspect instead of humans bcoz robots are more technically capable?

I think i've heard fresco said something about meat being made through stem cell research or something like that so we don't need to have animal farms and slaughter houses.

and with the case of robots... if robots will develop artificial intelligence parallel or even exceed human intelligence... robots and humans might really just coexist.

”The popular idea, fostered by comic strips and the cheaper forms of science fiction, that intelligent machines must be malevolent entities hostile to man, is so absurd that it is hardly worth wasting energy to refute it. I am almost tempted to argue that only unintelligent machines can be malevolent…Those who picture machines as active enemies are merely projecting their own aggressive[ness]. The higher the intelligence, the greater the degree of cocooperativeness.
If there is ever a war between men and machines, it is easy to guess who will start it.”

arthur c. clarke

[regnauld]

I think i've heard fresco said something about meat being made through stem cell research or something like that so we don't need to have animal farms and slaughter houses.

and with the case of robots... if robots will develop artificial intelligence parallel or even exceed human intelligence... robots and humans might really just coexist.

”The popular idea, fostered by comic strips and the cheaper forms of science fiction, that intelligent machines must be malevolent entities hostile to man, is so absurd that it is hardly worth wasting energy to refute it. I am almost tempted to argue that only unintelligent machines can be malevolent…Those who picture machines as active enemies are merely projecting their own aggressive[ness]. The higher the intelligence, the greater the degree of cocooperativeness.
If there is ever a war between men and machines, it is easy to guess who will start it.”

arthur c. clarke

This higher intelligence is the apex of man's higher consciousness and it is happening now as it happened in the past. Read "Morning of the Magicians" by : Pauwels and Berger

[pusang_iring]

Advertising, wla jud nay ayo....kapila na ko nailad anang ilang produkto na pagpalit nako....opposite diay to sa ilang propaganda ^^

I wanna discuss this...

"Human behavior is a product of the environment. Genetic components, which manifest in
physiological traits, serve only to create propensities for certain reactions. Therefore, since it is the
environment that influences our behavior itself, if we find patterns of behavior in our society that are
socially offensive and abusive, we should look to the environment to figure out why those behaviors
manifest to begin with. The legal system today is a massive social distortion that does not take into
account the environmental influences of a supposed “criminal”. In a Resource-Based Economy, where
scarcity and deprivation are deliberately reduced through modern technological methods, the
behavior of society will change dramatically for the better"


So true, but who's not conditioned to think like that (that criminals should go to jail, they deserve to be punished) It is hardwired in us even emotionally. To us it only makes sense (emotionally) that if someone throws a rock at us, we dont throw back with bread, we seek revenge. Imagine the ramifications if every criminals in jails now will go to "environmental plea" that they were only forced by the environment to do such acts. Doesn't people hold responsibility for their actions as we have been indoctrinated to believe? DOes the zeitgeist adhere determinism? no free-will? 99% environment, 1% human nature that we didnt choose anyway, we're just born with it?