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    yes i believe....mas maayo ng naay kahadlokan kay sa wala...

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    sa makadaghan na nga higayon nga napamatud-an ko nga naa siya kanunay sa akong kiliran...

  3. #1473
    wa nay daghang pangutana,,too jud ko

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    I believe in God, because I choose to. It's my faith. I don't care if everyone argues that He does or doesn't exist. Blah, blah. Faith is believing without seeing. I don't need solid proof as a basis for His existence.

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    i believe in GOD...watch this vid so that you will believe...


    the catholic church faith & salvation

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Child View Post
    I have not encoutered Goedel's proof of God, because Goedel never wrote anything on the proof of God except a rehash of ancient words. that closest thing was his "incompleteness theoreM" do you understand his incompleteness theorem?

    but to indulge, ok, explain his ontological proof of God, exactly the way how he equated in modal logic.
    I await your explanation.

    and if you really understood it, verify it, using the same method.
    Im still studying and still learning from him and it's nice and unique too!

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    Quote Originally Posted by regnauld View Post
    Im still studying and still learning from him and it's nice and unique too!
    So why do you boast that you understood goedel's claim yet you are incapable of
    presenting his 'ontological proof' in modal logic?

    it makes us sorry miserable students of logic more miserable than we already are if anyone could just use goedel like an ordinary household name for everyday cleaning.

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    Yes, i believe. i don't have any reason why i believe but i think that it doesn't need a reason too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Child View Post
    So why do you boast that you understood goedel's claim yet you are incapable of
    presenting his 'ontological proof' in modal logic?

    it makes us sorry miserable students of logic more miserable than we already are if anyone could just use goedel like an ordinary household name for everyday cleaning.
    I am not boasting sire but rather for me it makes sense as I study his work and i'm still studying it little by little!

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    If I say that "God is good", this is not true. I am good, but God is not good! In fact, I would rather say that I am better than God, for what is good can become better and what can become better can become the best! Now God is not good, and so he cannot become better. Since he cannot become better, he cannot become the best. These three are far from God: "good", "better", "best", for he is wholly transcendent. If I say again that "God is wise", then this too is not true. I am wiser than he is! Or if I say that "God exists", this is also not true. He is being beyond being: he is a nothingness beyond being. Therefore St. Augustine says: "The finest thing that we can say of God is to be silent concerning him from the wisdom of inner riches." Be silent therefore, and do not chatter about God, for by chattering about him, you tell lies and commit a sin. If you wish to be perfect and without sin, then do not prattle about God. Also you should not wish to understand anything about God, for God is beyond all understanding. A master says: If I had a God that I could understand, I would not regard him as God. If you understand anything about him, then he is not in it, and by understanding something of him, you fall into ignorance... (pp. 236-7) - MEISTER ECKHART

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