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    and SCIENCE WITHOUT FAITH IS LAME - Albert Einstein

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    either you believe in religion or not we cannot exclude the possibility of the truth behind what the preachers have preached for the most part of our lives, but the evidences of the hoaxness of the "RELIGIONS" wether it be christianism, islam, orthodoxy nor any thing you might think of are pretty much overwhelming...this vid as well as other videos or materials we may encounter does not say that we must/must not believe in religion, it just tells us to keep an open mind.,we don't know what is the exact truth of this matter, we don't know if what our religion has been teaching us for eons are true or just a mere myth that has been passed on from generations to generation, though again we don't know if our so called faith is just psychological..,just be observant and weigh things before we make conclusions.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by rex013090 View Post
    either you believe in religion or not we cannot exclude the possibility of the truth behind what the preachers have preached for the most part of our lives, but the evidences of the hoaxness of the "RELIGIONS" wether it be christianism, islam, orthodoxy nor any thing you might think of are pretty much overwhelming...this vid as well as other videos or materials we may encounter does not say that we must/must not believe in religion, it just tells us to keep an open mind.,we don't know what is the exact truth of this matter, we don't know if what our religion has been teaching us for eons are true or just a mere myth that has been passed on from generations to generation, though again we don't know if our so called faith is just psychological..,just be observant and weigh things before we make conclusions.....



    Yes your statement sir is very humbling; if theres any gospel now that i would like to lobby it would be the gospel of "I DONT KNOW", one may put weight to a particular way of "belief system" maybe because it "ring a bell to him" but thats it nothing more nothing less. And Faith will always be there in whatever mental calystenics you are into; at least in the absence of so called evidence brought forth by the "5 sensory truth, plus there gadgets" faith can be taken as your mistress to maintain one's sanity, cause truth is likened to a wife, it can be very oblivious youl never know what she wants & where it leads you.

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    when your wife trust you for not womanizing, that is faith..but that doesnt follow that thats the truth..when your dead already, your wife wont use the word trust/faith anymore,, she will say this time: i KNOW that regnauld cant & wont be able to womanize, now you may apply it to religion & science
    hahaha..true! but faith in something beautiful is a sweet balm to the soul. don't do u think?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alel View Post
    ^

    Everything was a trick of course...Heheheh!...But people are less likely to ask up front - unless a trickster present himself as a magician. Using trickery as a charlatan is really diifferent. Brown is simply skillful in masking trickery as New Age (and kind of exposing himself is a point of some of his programs...He is an entertainer, in the first place...But as an entertainer, he would not spill all the beans about it...The program is layered with multiple deceptions. That, I can say...)
    allow me to present a great magician. his first occupation was a bartender when he magically turned water into wine.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Hellblazer 2.1 View Post
    allow me to present a great magician. his first occupation was a bartender when he magically turned water into wine.

    how is a christian suppose to take that statement?

    Faith could never be encapsulated by the cognitive sciences, so much as mere psychology. As the sciences may point out an ostensive reference, faith on the other goes beyond that. So how is science suppose to empirically grasp that?

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    I think Jesus was an Alchemist trained by the Ancient Masters like Hermes Tresmigestus

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    Mga Bro and Sis, good day!

    An excerpt from The System.

    Watch the whole show in Youtube (6 parts), and let us talk about it here.


    Alel

    (Diara ang Part 1: YouTube - Derren Brown - the System Part 1 )
    Sir, sorry that I have not finished watching the whole series of video but I will. In my views, there is a big factor about psychological basis of "faith". I mean, there is faith in everything what we do... though faith does not lay on God alone but something that you put yourself in the hands of those who care. Let me explain it... when we go to hospitals, what do you see? Doctors, nurses, equipments and medicines... correct? As you go in your immediate reaction would be "I'm going to be fine" (depending on the situation you're with)! That's faith! Psychologically speaking, the mind is exercised to think that when you're inside the hospital... you gave up yourself to the people who can make you better. When people go to Pharmacies... what do you see? Meds... and what are those for? For ailments and illnesses. Your immediate reaction is that once you buy that medicine, you will be fine even if those tiny little things called tablets and liquids are nothing but placebo and chemical solutions but it can cure you... that is a what we called psychological effect. It does not matter who or what your beliefs are... but the faith you put in to something that you thought you're gonna get fine is essential factor. The same as those who are scared of monsters, ghouls, ghosts... their initial reaction is generally psychological... mentally scared that these entity will do nothing but harm you.

    I hope this is okay.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tripwire View Post
    Sir, sorry that I have not finished watching the whole series of video but I will. In my views, there is a big factor about psychological basis of "faith". I mean, there is faith in everything what we do... though faith does not lay on God alone but something that you put yourself in the hands of those who care. Let me explain it... when we go to hospitals, what do you see? Doctors, nurses, equipments and medicines... correct? As you go in your immediate reaction would be "I'm going to be fine" (depending on the situation you're with)! That's faith! Psychologically speaking, the mind is exercised to think that when you're inside the hospital... you gave up yourself to the people who can make you better. When people go to Pharmacies... what do you see? Meds... and what are those for? For ailments and illnesses. Your immediate reaction is that once you buy that medicine, you will be fine even if those tiny little things called tablets and liquids are nothing but placebo and chemical solutions but it can cure you... that is a what we called psychological effect. It does not matter who or what your beliefs are... but the faith you put in to something that you thought you're gonna get fine is essential factor. The same as those who are scared of monsters, ghouls, ghosts... their initial reaction is generally psychological... mentally scared that these entity will do nothing but harm you.

    I hope this is okay.

    The placebo effect is the measurable, observable, or felt improvement in health or behavior not attributable to a medication or invasive treatment that has been administered. This is purely psychological in nature!

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    Quote Originally Posted by tripwire View Post
    Sir, sorry that I have not finished watching the whole series of video but I will. In my views, there is a big factor about psychological basis of "faith". I mean, there is faith in everything what we do... though faith does not lay on God alone but something that you put yourself in the hands of those who care. Let me explain it... when we go to hospitals, what do you see? Doctors, nurses, equipments and medicines... correct? As you go in your immediate reaction would be "I'm going to be fine" (depending on the situation you're with)! That's faith! Psychologically speaking, the mind is exercised to think that when you're inside the hospital... you gave up yourself to the people who can make you better. When people go to Pharmacies... what do you see? Meds... and what are those for? For ailments and illnesses. Your immediate reaction is that once you buy that medicine, you will be fine even if those tiny little things called tablets and liquids are nothing but placebo and chemical solutions but it can cure you... that is a what we called psychological effect. It does not matter who or what your beliefs are... but the faith you put in to something that you thought you're gonna get fine is essential factor. The same as those who are scared of monsters, ghouls, ghosts... their initial reaction is generally psychological... mentally scared that these entity will do nothing but harm you.

    I hope this is okay.
    Miss, I fully understand and agree to what you said here.

    But at least we can say the medicines, aside from its psychological implications, DOES deliver what it is said to deliver using what is inherent in itself. But the great thing about them is that the psychological factor plays less as far as the cure itself is concerned. A good merit for subsribing to concepts like god, healing auras, Feng Shui and such...

    Faith, in the other hand, though it also DOES deliver cure to some extent, it not to be relied on fully all the time. Im talking about false hopes; people going to faith healers/herbal supplements (which, in fine print in the label, admits no therapeutic claims!) and DISREGARDING what really helps. The psychological factor plays majorly in the cure itself. Fine for disorders that are fueled completely by psychological factors. But for diabetes, cancer, amputations, and such?...It simply cant deliver a real cure.

    And I agree that the power of faith doesnt care whether the object of the faith is factual or not, as long as the conviction is there. Ignorance is certainly bliss in this content.

    Hey, I may be depriving myself of all these 'wonders', but maybe its the way I grew up and ending up as an atheist that makes me feel I dont belong there.

    Thanks for sharing your thoughts!

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