Your opinion/s on "Religion is a business"

[Soul Doctor]

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some school of thought doesnt call it fear, the built-in defense mechanism you said; they call it intelligence; to avoid things/situation that will only lead to self distruiction is being wise; the FEAR that im refrng to is the fear of the lord, fear of authority, fear of parents, fear of darkness, fear of the future, fear of old age, these are all irrational fears; learned not inborn response;according to psychologist there are only two natural fears; 1. Fear of falling from high elevation, 2. & fear of sudden lound sound; other than that are all learned responses.
Exploiters usualy employ FEAR to command OBEDIENCE;or to sell something; FEAR WARPS once common sense & rationality; its the best tool for terrorism whether as a parent, minister or just simply selling beauty products;

What?
Run-around and you get a +1?

Your statement is "FEAR is the root of All EVIL"

Now how does that FEAR mean "fear of the lord?"

[Soul Doctor]

They have to instill fear to command submission.
That is how you start a church business.

[NASYO]

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[pixelwise]

we support our pastors man. i was merely pointing out na dli kwarta ang pinkaimportante na factor sa among church. kay kng muingon mn gud ka ug business, muimply na xa na it's put up to profit. pro dili mn gud na mao ang tumong sa ubang simbahan. they're established kay they want to help people to know God. and dili sad jd malikayan mga mglisod among mga pastors kay naa mi mga pastors na naa sa tunga2x sa bukid... ang congregation are all farmers. dili ingon ana kasayon ang kinabuhi sa mga pastor. they are aware of that even before sila nipledge to sacrifice their lives for the ministry.

unya, mura mn kag karon ra uy. bsan agn mga disciples ni Jesus nglisod bya. provision can be in many forms. materialistic rapud kaau ka. dili rana sa kwarta mafeel ang provision sa ginoo. bsan ang contentment nga nakaserve sila bsan lisod ilang life is also a provision.

so ayaw ug ingon nga gipasagdan namu among pastor unya gatuga2x rami. kay wala ka kabaw sa imong gipaistorya.

believe me, i know what i'm saying .. and no dili ko anak ug pastor nga wa kakaon ug kormbip sa bata pa kay pobre akong papa (i have to bring that up. kadaghan na ko sa forums nga assume dayon akong kaistorya nga nanluod lang ko sa ministry kay way sapi) .. on the contrary my family sent dozens to bible school, libre. then they went on to live poor lives kay "kabubut-on sa ginoo" ... unya manganak dayon 2, 3, 4 usahay pito ... and you know why? MEDIOCRITY compounded by misinterpretation of the bible ... don't get me wrong, if you get your kicks from poverty then be my guest. pero ayaw pasanginli ang ginoo oi (isa pa personally i don't believe mangilabot pa ang god anang mga butanga but that's another story). ayaw pasanginli ang ministry, ang bible. dayon kung pwede lang ayaw sad panganak ug pito. ka-pilipino ra jud kaayo nga pangutok oi, christian naman kaha ta dapat lahi na tag panlantaw sa kinabuhi, right?

disciples naglisod.. yup, exactly. so? tanga sila sa una, kita pud ron? yup christians were told to prepare for death (indirectly) kay you were told to prepare for persecution man. pero wala baya giingon mamatay ka sa protein deficiency. unsaon na man lang pagka living sacrifice ana kung dead kay way kaon? unsaon na lang pagka holy, acceptable to god unya sip-unon kay di kapalit vitamin C? ( ok lang sip-on kung nataligsikan ) .. and before anyone mentions the apostles, i say let's not confuse ourselves with them. they were 12 men given specific tasks (in a way like some of the old prophets), including facing death, so why not poverty. and they felt kinahanglan sila magdali kay abi nila balik na jesus next week hehe luoy baya.

again let's just you and i try not to assume anything about each other. what i am basing on here is a fact: daghan pastor pobre. why? there has to be a reason. maybe because they feel justified? kay god will provide? tinuod bitaw .. sayop lang pagsabot .. maoy kadaut kay dili lagi "business" .. usahay hypocrisy sad, pero lahi na na nga topic. pag business, profit ra ba jud diay? pag profit, kwarta ra ba jud diay? business means stability, growth. that's the idea. money is the tool.

which brings us back to the topic. naay mga muingon negosyo RA ang church and they use that premise to persecute the church. ang mga sincere pud nga christian puliki pud panagang nga "dili lagi, tinuod lagi mi dili ni pangwarta" ... unya sobrahan dayon kaextreme pastor di na mukaon.

sori usab ha, try baya nako di ipahitungod nimo akong gipangsulti pero sakto man kaayo nga example nang imong giingon gud nga pastor tanom ug utan. wala pud ko ingon nga ang inyong pastor gipasanginlan nya ginoo, ministry, bible. pero kung ing-ana nga naa pa man diay paeskwela, again tabangi sad oi. kang 2k padugangi sad tawon. kung dili mo iabsorb sa mother church kay muingon dayon, "agwanta lang sa brad, god's will" nah pangita mo'g laing support oi. utok lang ba, di man na dautan ba. kinsa man diay gikan atong utok?

[grovestreet]

some school of thought doesnt call it fear, the built-in defense mechanism you said; they call it intelligence; to avoid things/situation that will only lead to self distruiction is being wise; the FEAR that im refrng to is the fear of the lord, fear of authority, fear of parents, fear of darkness, fear of the future, fear of old age, these are all irrational fears; learned not inborn response;according to psychologist there are only two natural fears; 1. Fear of falling from high elevation, 2. & fear of sudden lound sound; other than that are all learned responses.
Exploiters usualy employ FEAR to command OBEDIENCE;or to sell something; FEAR WARPS once common sense & rationality; its the best tool for terrorism whether as a parent, minister or just simply selling beauty products;

very nice post...

i'm learning more and more...

Remember, it's only a choice between FEAR and LOVE!!!

[pixelwise]

^^^ yup, same here

+1 ulit kay mr fish

[flying fish]

What?
Run-around and you get a +1?

Your statement is "FEAR is the root of All EVIL"

Now how does that FEAR mean "fear of the lord?"

ako bitaw gi explain doc ug unsa na FEAR ang dili makatabang, ung unsa na fear that actually is not fear kung boot huna-hunaon
hatag nasad ko lain ehimplo ha: if i dont drink poisonos substance, duna ko fear? at first glance mora but its intelliogence that dictates not to drink otherwise,
Kung molabang ko sa highway unya dili ko molabang ug dunay gadagan na sakyanan, duna ko fear? wala koy fear, duna koy kabo-ot.
F- false
E- emotion
A- apearng
R- real

Oh di-a ra doc o, basin madawat ni nimo nga mga pacute dscrptions

[pixelwise]

^^^ sakto jud. ganahan jud ko ani nga view kay murag basic ra ba pero ambot ug narealize ba jud ni nako sa akong kaugalingon.

anyway, dugang ko gamay .. kung mulabang bisan kabalo nga naay sakyanan, di na matawag ug ISOG (courage man baliktad sa fear no? ). walay buot noon, mao na.

[flying fish]

^^^ sakto jud. ganahan jud ko ani nga view kay murag basic ra ba pero ambot ug narealize ba jud ni nako sa akong kaugalingon.

anyway, dugang ko gamay .. kung mulabang bisan kabalo nga naay sakyanan, di na matawag ug ISOG (courage man baliktad sa fear no? ). walay buot noon, mao na.

kung kabalo ka molabang na dili maligsan bisan pa ug daghan nagpadagan sakyanan & your not afraid doing it, then your a master to that endeavor, not necesarly walay bo-ot. ang walay boot siguro kanang who does dangerous think w/o thorough mastery over posible consequences, he, he.
COURAGE is useful when one is uncertain of some results, or when has doubts or fear.
In the absence of fear you dont need courage.

[Hellblazer 2.1]

there is nothing to fear. most especially when you have buddy Christ at your side.