Atheism Vs. Religion

[tarpolano]

I don't think we can blame God for that bro. Man did that to his fellow man.

Why not blame God? He has the power to stop it. Or is it because he is just an imaginary being. Think about it.

[regnauld]

Why not blame God? He has the power to stop it. Or is it because he is just an imaginary being. Think about it.

or blame the devil nalang kaha kay mao raba nay kasagaran excuse sa mga Christians!

[baliguat]

or blame the devil nalang kaha kay mao raba nay kasagaran excuse sa mga Christians!

ourselves exactly not the devil! hehhehehe

[regnauld]

ourselves exactly not the devil! hehhehehe

BUlls eye!

[munzter666]

Well, I don't mean literally; I mean we have this sense that our heart is the "center" of our being.

I think that "abyss" is a nice metaphor for this "center" of our being, because when we experience all those kinds of emotions they seem very deep and mysterious and they involve the whole of us.

What I meant to say was that it seems nothing in this world truly satisfies us. The human "heart" is contended only for a certain amount of time, then it wanders again seeking more pleasure, happiness, peace, joy, excitement, meaning, etc. We are restless, we want more adventure, more fun, more entertainment, more knowledge, more truth, more wisdom, more security, more love, more acclaim, more respect, and many times we feel disappointed because we never attain lasting fulfillment for all our desires.

That's why I believe whatever it is that our heart desires, it can't be found in this world. It doesn't mean that all the good things in life are not worth pursuing, and that we should just "lay back and relax" and live apathetic lives. We ought to live our lives to the fullest still. But at the end of the day, our "hearts" are not really totally and permanently satisfied. I believe that's because we are made for another world.

yes not literally, but still i give it to the mysteries of how the brain/mind works.

do note that man is an INSATIABLE being. and there is a difference between knowing and not knowing. we cant have everything we want or like...DESIRES. and sometimes that defines the boundaries between wishful thinking and reality. happiness, satisfaction are all RELATIVE terms. hey, one man's fun is another's hell.

But the Christian message remains valid. Those acts speak only of the misuse of religion and do not argue against the faith itself, in the same way that the monstrosities of Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot and other tyrants who considered themselves atheists were extreme examples of the misuse of the secular ideals of Communism, the nation-state, freedom and justice.

If we want to hold Christianity responsible for those crimes, we might as well hold atheism responsible for those crimes which are far greater in magnitude than the Crusades or the Inquisition put together.

its no use weighing which camp has more Ahol*s and shitness within them. far greater than the crusades/inquisitions...sorry to disappoint, but the atheistic population back then and still is LESSER compared to theistic centered beliefs.

here's another irony, put up all those atheistic "atrocities" or what evers...those guys took full responsibility/accountability for their actions no matter how crazy nor stupid it was.

now take a look at those theistic "atrocities" or what evers...those guys kept pointing "god did it" / "it was will of god"/ "our cause is god's cause"...full responsibility/accountability? i dont think so. cowardice? hypocrisy? in the end these guys still blamed god or dragged god with them.

[ashton21]

found this yesterday:

gods are only illusions born of man's fear. .

[Mortred KunaiSpinner]

in my last post i am not implying that we should blame christianity..when in truth it teaches love and stuff but instead we should look up on HOW this doctrines ARE TAUGHT to the people since they still commited horrifying acts...

Gud pm bro. Naa interesado ko sa inyong debate kai I find it educating so to speak. The reason I want to join kai I want to learn the proper defense of a Theist against the attacks of the Atheist and to avoid the erroneous bashing of the Theist against the stand of the Atheist.

So anyways...

Perhaps cguro the reason why the Crusades or Inquisition happened must have been because of Religious Fundamentalism and Radicalism. When we say fundamentalist and radicals, they are the ones who would do everything and I mean everything in order for them to achieve their goal -including religion.

During the Crusades, what is in Jerusalem that the Church wanted so badly? Easy...

Political power and dominion over the region.

In order to dominate the regions of the middle east (for trading purposes), then it is only logical to have total control over Jerusalem.

This my friend is the ulterior motive of the Crusades. The Church did it because of this reason. It was a political battle and Religion was just used for a scape goat.

Ad2 ta sa Inquisition? Asa man na time na Inquisition? Kato sa Medieval or sa Spanish Inquisition? 4 now ad2 lng ta sa Spanish Inquisition. During those time, uso kaau ang Protestantism and other break-away sects of the Roman Catholic Church. Also Spain was having problems because of Jews and Muslims and other non-Catholic Christians. For the rulers of Spain, they see these groups as a threat to the state and they must be check. So what did they do? They made the Spanish Inquisition to serve as a "secret police" in order to maintain fear and order to the society.

Ulterior motive gihapon dri, Religion is the scape goat...

Kang Hitler sad? Abnormal man na siya wa man na syay au. He will do anything to get what he wants no matter the cost. Please don't take Hitler's words that he was 'sent by God' as to be true and correct. He just said this in order to justify his damned war.

Ulterior motive gihapon dri and as always Religion is still the scape goat.

Kahinumdum mo sa quote ni Bro Bisdak sa Bible?

Matthew 7:21-23 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

I think those atrocities being done in the name of Religion are condemned on this verse. Did these criminals trully did the will of the Father? I think not. Do you think otherwise?


Lingaw kaau ning Religion bro kai maau kaau ni gamiton as a scape goat and people are still doing it. Bin Laden, Jim Jones, Ecleo, Bush etc, etc, etc... Ug ang nakalingaw pa jud kai people always, ALWAYS buys it!

I've seen this kinds of debate before and almost everytime the Atheist would point out the errors of the Crusades, Inquisition, Galilieo's injustice and then the Theist would counter the mass murders being made by the Communists (Stalin, Mao, Pol Pots) blah blah blah blah blah...

My friends, this is not the correct path for this debate because this will just lead to senseless bashing.

It doesn't matter who has the many kills... The fact that you killed is still bad and I do not think there is any Religion (Kanang truest, trully, truthfully, true form anang Religion dli kanang twisted interpretation ana) that promotes death and destruction...

If you killed one of my friends, whether Atheist ka or Theist ka, you still killed my friend and you are by all means answerable to the law or to the law above. Would you believe otherwise?

So mga bros, let us move back a little and stop this wrong path for this debate. Intelligent people man kaha so let us not start a bashing contest kai murag padung nata dra.

[regnauld]

found this yesterday:

gods are only illusions born of man's fear. .

Could men be called gods?

[bungot25]

found this yesterday:

gods are only illusions born of man's fear. .

God is true God and True Man.

[bungot25]

Could men be called gods?

Men will forever praise God and worship him.