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    Quote Originally Posted by istoryaaah View Post
    Here goes The State and Church separation issues again. Blah Blah Blah and Blah...
    Goes to show you still have NOT figured out what "separation" really means.

    Well, at least for now Americans DON'T accept your oppressive idea of separation. That is why they can still push Obama on abortion.

    On Roe v. Wade anniversary, GOP lawmakers press Obama
    By James Rosen, McClatchy Newspapers James Rosen, Mcclatchy Newspapers – Wed Jan 21, 7:41 pm ET
    On Roe v. Wade anniversary, GOP lawmakers press Obama - Yahoo! News

    WASHINGTON — Republican lawmakers on Wednesday urged President Barack Obama to reconsider his support of legal abortions as anti-abortion activists arrived in Washington for a protest on the anniversary of the Supreme Court's Roe v. Wade ruling.

    As many as 200,000 people were expected to join the "March for Life" to the Supreme Court building on Thursday on the 36th anniversary of the 1973 decision legalizing abortion.

    Anti-abortion and abortion-rights groups scheduled news conferences for Thursday amid reports that Obama would soon move to reverse former President George W. Bush's prohibition on U.S. aid to international organizations that perform abortions or refer women to abortion clinics.

    Nancy Keenan , president of the National Abortion and Reproductive Rights Action League , said senior members of her group have held discussions with high-level Obama aides in recent weeks.

    "The first order of business is to reverse some of the policies of George W. Bush that have harmed women not only in this country, but women around the world," Keenan said in an interview.

    Douglas Johnson , legislative director of the National Right to Life Committee, said abortion opponents were girding for a series of abortion-rights actions by Obama, possibly as soon as Thursday.

    "We expect the Obama administration to push a sweeping pro-abortion agenda which, if successful, would greatly increase the number of abortions," Johnson said.

    Bill Burton , an Obama spokesman, declined to comment.

    "We're not making any announcements on that today," Burton said.

    Democratic sources close to Obama said the new president likely would take early action on several abortion-related matters, starting with reinstating U.S. funding for international groups that provide abortions.

    President Ronald Reagan first banned such funding in the 1980s. President Bill Clinton issued an executive order reversing the ban on his first day in office in January 1993 , and Bush restored the prohibition early in his first term eight years later.

    On a related issue, House Republican leader John Boehner of Ohio sent Obama a letter signed by 80 GOP colleagues asking him to back off his campaign support for the Freedom of Choice Act, a bill that would repeal dozens of restrictions states have placed on abortions.

    "Since the beginning of your presidential transition, Americans from all walks of life have been touched by your pledge to govern from the center, and by your vow to be a president for all Americans," Boehner wrote to Obama.

    "We are writing to respectfully urge you to build on this foundation by withdrawing your pledge to sign the so-called Freedom of Choice Act, which would in one tragic act overturn virtually all pro-life laws nationwide," the letter said.

    As an Illinois legislator and U.S. senator, Obama compiled a strong voting record in support of abortion rights.

    "The first thing I'd do as president is sign the Freedom of Choice Act," Obama told a national gathering of Planned Parenthood members in July 2007 .

    Obama added: "On this fundamental issue, I will not yield."

    The Freedom of Choice Act was crafted in the Senate by Sen. Barbara Boxer , a California Democrat, and in the House of Representatives by Rep. Jerrold Nadler , a New York Democrat.

    The measure would prohibit federal, state or local governments from denying or interfering with a woman's right to choose to have an abortion. It would allow women to file retroactive lawsuits claiming harm from past denials.

    NARAL head Keenan dismissed Boehner's letter as a publicity stunt.

    Despite increases in the number of lawmakers who support abortion rights in the 2006 and 2008 elections, Keenan said, there still aren't enough votes to pass the Freedom of Choice Act.

    "Our pro-choice allies on the ( Capitol) Hill are still outnumbered by their anti-choice colleagues," Keenan said.

    In the House, there are 204 members who oppose abortion and 186 members who favor abortion rights, Keenan said. The remainder have mixed positions or as new members don't have a voting history. About 80 senators split evenly on abortion, with the remaining 20 taking mixed positions, she said.

    DEAR MR. PRESIDENT

    Among the 80 Republicans who signed House Minority Leader John Boehner's letter to President Obama were:

    FLORIDA : Reps. Thomas Rooney , Ileana Ros-Lehtinen , Gus Bilirakis, Adam Putnam , Cliff Stearns

    CALIFORNIA : Reps. Elton Gallegly , Duncan Hunter , John Campbell , Gary Miller

    MISSOURI : Reps. Roy Blunt , Todd Akin , Sam Graves , Blaine Leutkemeyer , Jo Ann Emerson

    TEXAS : Reps. Pete Sessions , Ron Paul , Michael Burgess , Mac Thornberry , Pete Olson , Louie Gohmert , Jeb Hensarling

    NORTH CAROLINA : Reps. Sue Myrick , Virginia Foxx , Walter Jones , Patrick McHenry

    SOUTH CAROLINA : Reps. Bob Inglis , Joe Wilson , Henry Brown

    WASHINGTON : Rep. Cathy McMorris Rogers

    KENTUCKY : Reps. Geoff Davis , Brett Guthrie

    KANSAS : Reps. Todd Tiahrt , Jerry Moran

    GEORGIA : Reps. Tom Price , Paul Broun , Phil Gingrey

    ILLINOIS : Reps. Donald Manzullo , Timothy Johnson , Aaron Schock

    MISSISSIPPI : Rep. Gregg Harper

    PENNSYLVANIA : Reps. Joe Pitts , Tim Murphy , Glenn Thompson , Todd Platts

  2. #52
    Obama's speech reflects his philosophies in politics...

  3. #53
    Quote Originally Posted by rodsky View Post
    There's no point in arguing in that light to manny, I've tried it many times before. His mind is simply closed
    Rodion, you should learn to take defeat like an adult. You engaged in a debate and your rants were beaten by rational arguments. Now you engage in personal attacks just to get back at the one who beat you. Come on, now Rod. You are a much better person than that.

  4. #54
    Time will tell whether or not he measures up to be a good president.

    Quote Originally Posted by mannyamador View Post
    Rodion, you should learn to take defeat like an adult. You engaged in a debate and your rants were beaten by rational arguments. Now you engage in personal attacks just to get back at the one who beat you. Come on, now Rod. You are a much better person than that.
    No need to get your panties up in a bunch, no one is attacking you personally. Defeat? Really? Congrats anyway, you just won an internet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mannyamador View Post
    Come on, now Rod. You are a much better person than that.
    Let me see if I get this straight--based on that line, continuing to argue with you, and continuing to "lose" (because let's admit it, you yourself, of all people won't admit defeat too) against you (based on your "world view" of who is a "rightful loser and winner" in an argument), will make me "a much better person"? Holy reducto absurdum Batman! Ang galing! Hahaha That is simply downright absurd and hilarious!

    -RODION

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    Quote Originally Posted by mannyamador View Post
    Rodion, you should learn to take defeat like an adult. You engaged in a debate and your rants were beaten by rational arguments. Now you engage in personal attacks just to get back at the one who beat you. Come on, now Rod. You are a much better person than that.
    Manny start respecting others opinions. If you can't rally us into your cause please don't push yourself and your pity opinions unto us, just to make you the man of the hour. Enough is enough, we have a firm and steady ground! so buzz off. "Talk to the hand"...


    For those of you who missed Obama's speech here's a full-text link. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/20/us...ext-obama.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by istoryaaah View Post
    Enough is enough, we have a firm and steady ground! so buzz off. "Talk to the hand"
    I guess you'll never learn to discuss issues in a rational manner either. If you insist on being childish no one can help you anymore.

    Some news tidbits...

    New Archbishop of Detroit Calls for Opposition to Obama Abortion Agenda
    http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/jan/09012202.html

    The newly appointed Archbishop of Detroit, Allen Vigneron, has wasted little time in confronting President Barack Obama's notorious support of abortion, calling for forceful opposition of the new government's anti-life agenda.

    Rally marks Roe v. Wade anniversary, new president
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090123/...on_anniversary

    Tens of thousands of abortion opponents rallied Thursday on the National Mall to mark the 36th anniversary of Roe v. Wade amid concerns they could face political setbacks under the new president.
    Last edited by mannyamador; 01-23-2009 at 11:12 AM.

  8. #58
    Obama's inaugural speech sent strong messages to Americans and to the whole wide world. He may have different policies from Bush, but I think his will be for the better, as most Americans wish.

    As regards the US policy towards its relations with the Philippines, I trust it will still continue to remain strong as in the previous years. The Philippines is a strong ally of the US. Filipinos and Americans have built long lasting friendships for so long. That will probably continue with Obama's leadership.

  9. #59
    to Manny: You should learn to take defeat like an adult. tell yourself that in the mirror. You can't stop the inevitable - what we can do is, teach people to be responsible in having kids - even if this abortion thing gets through, if they are that responsible, they won't do abortion, right?

    Start with small scale. Peace.

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    I guess you'll never learn to discuss issues in a rational manner either. If you insist on being childish no one can help you anymore.
    Look whose talking? One word is enough for a wise man... I said we both have our own points of view. You stand by your words and I stand by mine. So stop injecting your irrational mind into mine, I'll just eject it. My mind doesn't accept bugs trying to manipulate what I want to do with my life. I live my own life and I'm not stupid enough to think that you can just say something to me and pretend that its the best choice in my lifetime. If God has a purpose for me and God wants me to kill a human life tomorrow, I'd gladly do it without questions asked. Moses did it right? Why can't I? If God wanted me to kill a baby at birth, but adopt a homeless child afterwards I will do it, without questions asked. God has a different purpose for me and God has one for you too. If God wanted you to buzz me off so I cannot do what God wanted me to do, so be it. Its life... angels and devils exist so try to live with it.

    Your articles don't mean anything to me. They are just events that have happened in the past. Events that has nothing to do with me, not even at death.

    So save your fingers from the pain of copy pasting and stop forcing your thoughts into others. You can't do $hit if we won't believe you, can you? If you understand what i mean, you won't reply.

    By the way, this is not the Church's discussion thread you must be lost. Don't go off-topic or else nasty things will happen

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