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    Quote Originally Posted by regnauld View Post
    I think the principle that the soul goes out from the body while it is still alive is the same! The good thing is that when the silver cord is still attached, then one can go back anytime to the body. While in the case of reincarnation, the soul survives when the body dies only that it enters into a new form or new body!
    honestly, your post doesn't make sense. or should i say that this silver cord attached from the body to the souls doesn't prove any existence of reincarnation.

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    This may sound crazy but I have experienced OBE many times in the past until I became a renewed Catholic. This OBE thing simply vanish away from my system. You may PM me if you wish to know how one will experience it. It cannot be harnessed unless you have a gift for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gray_Fox View Post
    honestly, your post doesn't make sense. or should i say that this silver cord attached from the body to the souls doesn't prove any existence of reincarnation.
    Let us look at some methods on OBE (note that you are conscious when you experience OBE while in reincarnation, you are unconscious) The principle is the same only it differs in terms of consciousness!

    Short Description: Out of Body Experiences
    In the Out of Body Karmic Exploration form of Beyond Body Experiences (OBE), an individual temporarily leaves their physical body while in full consciousness while "awake" to explore and unwind their karma in the inner worlds of God.

    Causes: Out of Body Experiences (OBE) are brief periods "in which a person's consciousness seems to depart from their body, enabling observation of the world from a point of view other than that of the physical body and by means other than those of the physical senses." Unlike most other phenomena, OBEs are the result of a person's conscious choice to leave the body using one of the following methods:
    1> Relaxation Induced OBE: The individual experiences a shift in consciousness when they "realize" that they are "floating out of their body". Everyone - whether they realize it or not - experiences an OBE while in the sleep or near-sleep (hypnagogic) state. Through deep relaxation and meditation practices, the experience of this "conscious disconnection" from the physical body can be achieved.

    2> "Will" Induced OBE: The individual experiences a shift in consciousness when they use their will to "step out of the body". They literally loosen their inner bodies from their outer physical one by sheer willpower. This shift energetically appears as if their inner bodies have stepped away from their physical body.

    3> Soul Travel Induced OBE: The individual experiences a shift in consciousness when they gently move their awareness through their inner bodies by means of visualization and/or mantras. They simply focus their attention on the inner body by seeing it with their inner vision or chanting the tones to activate their attention on it.

    4> Wake Initiated Lucid Dream: The individual experiences a shift in consciousness during the dream state by initiating a lucid dream. The individual states "I am awake" at various times while "awake" or "asleep". The individual experiences a shift in consciousness by programming themselves with this "24 hour a day" belief so that they can remember "awake" or "asleep" experiences equally well.

    5> Near Death State: is a form of OBE where severe trauma to the physical body has weakened it so dramatically that individual's consciousness automatically shifts into their inner bodies (see NDEs).
    Symptoms: Most of Body Experiences (OBE) do not fall into the karmic exploration category. What distinguishes a Karmic Exploration OBE from a "regular" OBE is the following:
    1> Encounters with spiritual beings identifying themselves as the Lords of Karma or their representatives.

    2> Rapid review of many past life karmic threads which relate to and have created the present day issues. (Reincarnation)

    3> Replay of past life events with the opportunity to see the results of making more empowering choices.

    4> Rapid review of present life to assess progress in meeting the spiritual goals of the current lifetime.

    5> Review of potential future scenarios for the present life to assist in meeting it's spiritual goals.

    6> Communication regarding an individual's dharmic missions to be carried out on the Earth plane.

    7> Spending time in the "Cave of Purification" to burn off unneeded karmic residue (see Accelerated Karmic Release).
    After Effects: The after effects of the Karmic Exploration OBE vary widely among individuals. Some remember the experience with perfect clarity while others realize "something" happened without fully understanding it. Those more advanced in Soul experience or are "more ready" to heed the call of Soul will respond more to the karmic counseling given during the Karmic Exploration OBE and will need to/want to retain more of the experience in their conscious awareness.
    Advice: The best thing you can do is to embrace the experience for what it has to teach you. The worst thing you can do is to pretend it was a fantasy induced by wishful thinking. A Karmic Exploration OBE is a "golden opportunity" from your Soul to unwind your karma by "painless, effortless" karmic exploration. Pay attention to it and your life now and in your karma-created future will be better… spiritually. Ignore it and the problems that you think you are avoiding will just become compounded… as always, the choice is yours.
    Case History: Since the karmic burnoff experienced during a Karmic Exploration OBE is an intensely personal and highly sacred, no Case History will be presented out of respect for the Lords of Karma.
    Last edited by regnauld; 01-23-2009 at 12:24 PM.

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    hmm.. reading Causes bores me. it doesn't explain the causes but explains what OBE is. hmm.... very accurate article indeed.

    still.. it doesn't give a any facts about reincarnation.
    Last edited by Gray_Fox; 01-23-2009 at 12:45 PM.

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    WHat has Reincarnation got to do with OBE?

    Reincarnation: It postulates that there is a pre-existing soul before birth and continues after death. The soul incarnates hundreds or thousands of times, depending on which religion or philosophy one follows. The series of incarnations is to promote spiritual growth so that the soul can arrive finally at one with the universe. There are at least six facts that support the thesis of reincarnation:

    (1) Near Death Experience.
    (2) Out of Body Experience. (OBE)
    (3) Mediumship and channelling.
    (4) Hypnosis and other forms of regression.
    (5) Spontaneous past-life recalls.
    (6) Induction by other techniques other than hypnosis.

    Volumes of reputable research in various fields support the above facts with scientific authenticity. University professors and scientists have all researched thoroughly into these topics that they are now accepted without a shadow of a doubt. This article will now work on this premise

    http://www.kktanhp.com/reincarnation_htm.htm

  6. #26
    OT: honestly, i admire your "open minded-ness" if it's a word.. hahahaha. anyway, i got a question for you... do you believe every article you've read in the net? kay mao man na ilang gi tawag ug utoČ gud. bisan dli tinuod, tuohan. hehehe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by regnauld View Post
    Let us look at some methods on OBE (note that you are conscious when you experience OBE while in reincarnation, you are unconscious) The principle is the same only it differs in terms of consciousness!

    Short Description: Out of Body Experiences
    In the Out of Body Karmic Exploration form of Beyond Body Experiences (OBE), an individual temporarily leaves their physical body while in full consciousness while "awake" to explore and unwind their karma in the inner worlds of God.

    Causes: Out of Body Experiences (OBE) are brief periods "in which a person's consciousness seems to depart from their body, enabling observation of the world from a point of view other than that of the physical body and by means other than those of the physical senses." Unlike most other phenomena, OBEs are the result of a person's conscious choice to leave the body using one of the following methods:
    1> Relaxation Induced OBE: The individual experiences a shift in consciousness when they "realize" that they are "floating out of their body". Everyone - whether they realize it or not - experiences an OBE while in the sleep or near-sleep (hypnagogic) state. Through deep relaxation and meditation practices, the experience of this "conscious disconnection" from the physical body can be achieved.

    2> "Will" Induced OBE: The individual experiences a shift in consciousness when they use their will to "step out of the body". They literally loosen their inner bodies from their outer physical one by sheer willpower. This shift energetically appears as if their inner bodies have stepped away from their physical body.

    3> Soul Travel Induced OBE: The individual experiences a shift in consciousness when they gently move their awareness through their inner bodies by means of visualization and/or mantras. They simply focus their attention on the inner body by seeing it with their inner vision or chanting the tones to activate their attention on it.

    4> Wake Initiated Lucid Dream: The individual experiences a shift in consciousness during the dream state by initiating a lucid dream. The individual states "I am awake" at various times while "awake" or "asleep". The individual experiences a shift in consciousness by programming themselves with this "24 hour a day" belief so that they can remember "awake" or "asleep" experiences equally well.

    5> Near Death State: is a form of OBE where severe trauma to the physical body has weakened it so dramatically that individual's consciousness automatically shifts into their inner bodies (see NDEs).
    Symptoms: Most of Body Experiences (OBE) do not fall into the karmic exploration category. What distinguishes a Karmic Exploration OBE from a "regular" OBE is the following:
    1> Encounters with spiritual beings identifying themselves as the Lords of Karma or their representatives.

    2> Rapid review of many past life karmic threads which relate to and have created the present day issues. (Reincarnation)

    3> Replay of past life events with the opportunity to see the results of making more empowering choices.

    4> Rapid review of present life to assess progress in meeting the spiritual goals of the current lifetime.

    5> Review of potential future scenarios for the present life to assist in meeting it's spiritual goals.

    6> Communication regarding an individual's dharmic missions to be carried out on the Earth plane.

    7> Spending time in the "Cave of Purification" to burn off unneeded karmic residue (see Accelerated Karmic Release).
    After Effects: The after effects of the Karmic Exploration OBE vary widely among individuals. Some remember the experience with perfect clarity while others realize "something" happened without fully understanding it. Those more advanced in Soul experience or are "more ready" to heed the call of Soul will respond more to the karmic counseling given during the Karmic Exploration OBE and will need to/want to retain more of the experience in their conscious awareness.
    Advice: The best thing you can do is to embrace the experience for what it has to teach you. The worst thing you can do is to pretend it was a fantasy induced by wishful thinking. A Karmic Exploration OBE is a "golden opportunity" from your Soul to unwind your karma by "painless, effortless" karmic exploration. Pay attention to it and your life now and in your karma-created future will be better… spiritually. Ignore it and the problems that you think you are avoiding will just become compounded… as always, the choice is yours.
    Case History: Since the karmic burnoff experienced during a Karmic Exploration OBE is an intensely personal and highly sacred, no Case History will be presented out of respect for the Lords of Karma.
    Quote Originally Posted by regnauld View Post
    WHat has Reincarnation got to do with OBE?

    Reincarnation: It postulates that there is a pre-existing soul before birth and continues after death. The soul incarnates hundreds or thousands of times, depending on which religion or philosophy one follows. The series of incarnations is to promote spiritual growth so that the soul can arrive finally at one with the universe. There are at least six facts that support the thesis of reincarnation:

    (1) Near Death Experience.
    (2) Out of Body Experience. (OBE)
    (3) Mediumship and channelling.
    (4) Hypnosis and other forms of regression.
    (5) Spontaneous past-life recalls.
    (6) Induction by other techniques other than hypnosis.

    Volumes of reputable research in various fields support the above facts with scientific authenticity. University professors and scientists have all researched thoroughly into these topics that they are now accepted without a shadow of a doubt. This article will now work on this premise

    Universal Law of Reincarnation
    please stop evading by posting some articles and tell me straight to the point why that silver cord can prove the existence of reincarnation. just want to let you know that these articles you posted lately doesn't explain any cords at all. not even a guitar cords.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gray_Fox View Post
    OT: honestly, i admire your "open minded-ness" if it's a word.. hahahaha. anyway, i got a question for you... do you believe every article you've read in the net? kay mao man na ilang gi tawag ug utoČ gud. bisan dli tinuod, tuohan. hehehe.

    Are you saying that you are more credible than these researchers in reincarnation like Dr. Ian Stevenson? When I gave you resources from a reputable source and you don't believe a single word they say, who is to blame here? I cannot blame you because as I have said you are a closed minded man when it comes to to this research. You don't even have a research on your own and you will try to criticize these researchers! Why are you so defensive when I present you lots of evidence? Be humble my friend! I think you should learn how to discard your pride which is not healthy to your self-esteem.

    PEACE!
    Last edited by regnauld; 01-23-2009 at 12:57 PM.

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    Whoa...sparks are flying. Let's just respect each other's opinion. There's nothing wrong if you believe it or not. Don't take this seriously. Let's put on a friendly and civilized facade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by regnauld View Post
    Are you saying you are more credible than these researchers in reincarnation like Dr. Ian Stevenson? When I gave you resources from a reputable source and you don't believe a single word they say, who is to blame here? I cannot blame you because as I have said you are closed minded man when it comes to to this research. You don't even have a research on your own and you will try to criticize these researchers! Why are yu so defensive when I present you lots of evidence? Be humble my friend! I think you should learn how to discard your pride which is not healthy to your self-esteem.

    PEACE!
    so meaning.. if you put a keyword "Jesus is gay" and there is an article of it which some poser Dr. John Doe or whatever his name, as long as he has "Dr." before in his name, then you believe his article immediately? i got 2 words for you... No Comment.

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