Mass Killing of Dolphins (Kindly Watch This)

[rodsky]

mao bitaw g bawal na karon.nag himo na sila ug balaod nga dile na pwede mu hunt ug dolphins... its not logic nga madala sa movie nga g tanaw..as what you had said they had been doing this for centuries and its true but now dile na pwede ron kay extinct na sila specially some species of whales and dolphins. before commenting on other people try not to be poignant on others. ok. respect is what you should learn before posting such comments esp. as a C.I.A you should display and set a good example about it. its not how little some of the people know about but its how they know right now regarding killing such creatures. hope other members and moderators control comments that affects moral fiber. thanx....

This is a prime example of how certain narrow goals and purposes can automatically label and brand critical thing as being "disrespectful" and "not helping objectives". Ok, let's all throw critical thinking out of the window and start being the "moral" people you all so love to love.

-RODION

[Dorothea]

You know Dorothea, part of the strong reasons why they justify whale hunting is because it's part of culture/tradition of whale-eating communities in Japan or in some parts of Europe. What I'm saying is... you can't use tradition or culture to justify the killing. To kill whales for such reasons is just too lame when we can always get rid of that tradition as we did with slavery. Hope you get my point clear.

I do get your point. But the Japanese are sticklers to tradition, they are almost immovable when it comes to that. I remember when Bobby Flay stood on the chopping board on the table after the duel with Morimoto for Iron Chef, Morimoto went apes**t. Apparently, cooking materials are very, very sacred to the Japanese. I don't understand it myself, it's just a chopping board, but whatever. It's how they feel, pasagdan nato.

How do you make the Japanese stop doing this? They hunt within their borders, they kill dolphins in Japanese waters. Essentially, that's their territory, they can do what they want. Should all the world's nations unanimously agree on forming a World Sea Police? They can't even do anything about those pirates in Somalia.

[mil]

*this topic caught my attention.. bookmarked*

[brownprose]

@Dorothea

The Japanese Whale hunt will remain. | NowPublic News Coverage --> the "culture" side of whale hunting.

Extract of the article: "The Mainichi Daily News Does insist that Japan has the Right to hunt Whales and that this has been part of Japans inherent culture."

[Dorothea]

Pardon me for saying this but I couldn't help but realize something odd here--you said he was "half-eaten", so I'm assuming only the upper half of his body remained intact--yet he still actually possessed an anus (or pants) to crap out (or into) of? *hysterical laughter*

-RODION

If both his thighs/legs were bitten off just below the gluts, naa naa pa'y anus mahabilin. Unya if both the arms were bitten off also, you combine those limbs...that's basically half the person's body, by area or weight. He can still technically crap his pants.

[rodsky]

If both his thighs/legs were bitten off just below the gluts, naa naa pa'y anus mahabilin. Unya if both the arms were bitten off also, you combine those limbs...that's basically half the person's body, by area or weight. He can still technically crap his pants.

I guess your right. However, several years ago, I did see a shark attack survivor that lost both legs AND most of his pelvis in a shark attack. I guess I envisioned the same case as with diatab's report.

-RODION

[The_Child]

You make that sound like a bad thing.

the justification and the values that we choose to govern our actions towards the dolphins have repercussions. there is a link between how we justify the killing of dolphins with issues such as euthanasia and abortion. but that would be out of topic. the point is clear, to take away ethics from this, is simply to denigrate something as an object, a justification taht we could extend to the issues unborn babies and senile old folks. to say the least.

The_Child: Unsa man nang specieshisismmm oi? Kalisod ba litokon ana. I-define kuno na beh. Ang akong tubag nimo The_Child, who the heck cares? Who cares if we want to save the dolphins for all sorts of reasons? Vern wants to save the dolphins as a way to manage our resources. You want to save the dolphins because they feel pain. I want to save them because they're cute! Who the heck cares why we save them? The thing that matters is that we SAVE them! We don't need to come up with the "right" reason to move our ass and do something. We just have to do it.

That pilot who landed that plane in the Hudson, who the heck cares if he was trying to save his passengers or he was just trying to save his own a**. By trying to save himself, he saved those other people as well. He gets to be a hero, no one died, everybody's happy.

So dili nata maghisgot aning specieshismsmms. Let's go save everyone and everything!

SPECIESISM. the term coined by an australian philosophy, Peter singer in his Animal Liberation. published in the summer of 1970 and together with three other articles by other philosophers of the same journal i forgot which one, provided the seminal discussion on animal rights. The terms is the same with Racism, only that the issues is not about the human race, i.e, white (aryan) supremacy over other race, rather, the human species arrogance as the top species justifying his actions as the right actions against other lifeforms. in racism, slavery and segregation may have been justified, in speciesism, this things killing dolphins for purely economic reasons are justified.

Perception or the difference between animals is not much of an issue. Before us is a choice whether to KILL (in the name of economics and social/culture side of it) OR NOT TO KILL (for the sake of perpetuating biodiversity).

Killing whales is a bad case of economics as whales are difficult-to-replenish marine resources compared to cattle or poultry. It's also bad culture to kill whales for the sake of tradition. Humans can let go of tradition anytime if they so will. As I've mentioned, we had a bad case of tradition like slavery that was going on since the advent of civilization but we got rid of it. And as I've mentioned, I don't see any reason why a bad tradition like killing whales can't be abandoned as we did with slavery.

there is a difference with the difference of animals. as you can see, dolphins like most mammals, have developed the ability to feel suffering and pain. google it if you want, which is a notch higher than reptilians. also, the dolphin's brain is more developed than other animal species. as ive mentioned earlier, the issue of the dolphins and the senile old man across the street is the same. do we have the right to kill the senile old man because he is no longer contributing to society (economic) ? which is the same way of saying, to we kill dolphins or not because it good for the economy (economic) the question on whether is it moral to do so or not, is no longer asked, because the question has become a problem of economic management.

media perception also matters, subliminal messaging, stupid advertising, nice propaganda is enough to change everyone's perspective. In our postmodern times, The TV is afterall, the Reality-Frame.

@ The_Child

The other day, I saw a video on the web of this guy half eaten by a shark. Poor fellow must've been scared enough to crap his pants. Prolly hurt like hell too. My point? Sometimes in life, the **** hits the fan. The shark was prolly hungry and only looking out for itself. Us humans do the same thing as well. We dislike dolphin hunting mainly because it screws up the eco-system, thereby affecting the fish population blah blah blah blah blah. You get the picture right? We take what we need to survive, and being the top species, we have the responsibility to keep the balance. Does that suck for the rest of the animal kingdom? Maybe, but I tend not to overthink things.

well, thats a justification for saving dolphins, because we consider ourselves as merely one among many species in the earth and that to disturb the balance is to disturb not only human beings or the dolphins but every species in the earth. (butterfly effect transposed in ecological terms) but nobody seem to point that out the term: responsibility, rather everyone is rather fond of cute dolphins in this side and productive forces in the other side. but then again, the justification also is the same with the latter, although not that radical and more ethical in perspective.


cheers!

[zurita10]

Watch "The Hunted" and be a serial killer, if you really care for the animals. NOT.

[brownprose]

I do get your point. But the Japanese are sticklers to tradition, they are almost immovable when it comes to that. I remember when Bobby Flay stood on the chopping board on the table after the duel with Morimoto for Iron Chef, Morimoto went apes**t. Apparently, cooking materials are very, very sacred to the Japanese. I don't understand it myself, it's just a chopping board, but whatever. It's how they feel, pasagdan nato.

How do you make the Japanese stop doing this? They hunt within their borders, they kill dolphins in Japanese waters. Essentially, that's their territory, they can do what they want. Should all the world's nations unanimously agree on forming a World Sea Police? They can't even do anything about those pirates in Somalia.

We only get rid of the bad culture/traditions. As I have said...the culture of slavery existed like for the last 5000 years and yet we only did away with it only recently (in the 1800s) and that's because the world feels that slavery is inhumane.

The world rather sees the extinction of an inhumane culture than to preserve it. And I think whale hunting should be one of them (to be made extinct).

Btw, dog-eating was part of the culture of some indigenous people in Ilocos and some regions in Luzon. Since the Animal Welfare Act and other public health laws, these small communities have come to learn to find other meat sources than dog meat. Culture can indeed be changed.

[Dorothea]

The_Child: nganong mo iwik man lagi ang baboy kung lubaon? I'm sure naka feel pud na ug pain.

We need to save everything, not just the dolphins, that is vital to our continued existence, whether that be human lives or that of other animals. Nature has always found a way to keep the balance, but humans have become so voracious that nature couldn't do it alone anymore. We must take an active role to ensure harmony in the planet. We cannot keep on taking from the earth, we must give back. Matod pang sngrim, if we keep killing these creatures off one by one, soon enough there'll be nothing left for us to feed on...but each other.

Let's save the dolphins! But let's save the polar bears first! Arctic ice is getting thinner every year, we must figure out how to make them thick again. tsk tsk tsk