Life abroad is not paradise.

[madmike]

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i smell flame on this thread. hmmm

[fruit salad]

why hard?
unless you are of no value to your employer, then its hard to get a vacation for you may not have a job when you come back.


besides chad is hopefully enjoying America like any ambitious illegal filipino migrants, since he believes its not that easy to come home (philippines ).


common chad let me hear your SLO....

Jenesse... he is not illegal, nor am I. Basin ikaw, illegal ka. We are both permanent residents. There is a BIG difference if you are working illegally in this country. One, they are not supposed to be here. Second, we are paying taxes and they aren't. They use the roads and infrastructures, yet they're not paying taxes. Life of an illegal is not paradise, at all. I don't see why it is so okay with you... am sure tago tago na sila sa immigration. I'm sure wala na sila'y address sa Postal Office. Sa simpleng sulti, yes lamang ang mga illegals namo kay kami dagku kaayo mi taxes sila wala so mas daku sila ug ma take home. But don't you think Americans are not hating us for that?

Mao na'y usahay mentality sa mga Pinoy kasagaran diri gud, ma kontento lang sa ilang pagkabutang diri's America. Friends sa ako mama? Cleaners nangari, illegal pa to sa una, pero nakapapel na, cleaners gihapon karon. There is a difference if illegal pa, while unta legal na, do somethingelse.

I can understand Mel Libre's point of view, because he is a man of intellegence. Taas siya ug pangutok. I cannot imagine myself doing odd jobs mamatay ko sa ka stagnant sa kong utok, ma frozen siguro. Of course it is decent, but is it worth us? Filipinos? Nope. We can definitely do somethingelse.

If you base your own definition of America being a paradise in the eyes of illegal aliens... in my honest opinion... not having freedom is not paradise at all to me. But if you base your definition in the eyes of ambitious Filipinos who make it in the professional american world... then at least arang arang siguro mouyon ko nimo. Pila raman kaha'y population sa mga tarong ug trabaho diri?

note: Nyikes somebody just told me you are not in the US? How can you say all these things you said nga wala pa man diay ka kaari? Gusto ka mangutana, we'll tell you honestly. Sayop ka, dili na pwede magka health insurance if illegal ka. Concrete example: Bisan mga bata diri nga illegal gikan sa Mexico nga dala sila sa ilang parents walay health insurance. Dili ka ka trabaho ug maayo nga company because kinahanglan ka naay papel and allowed to work. Example: If mo expire ang work authorization sa usa ka employee, the very day ni expire, he gets fired. Dili pwede ka drive mga illegals diri. Example: daghang mga mexicano nga illegals maayo kaayo mangdrive inig ka disgrasya magdinaganay kay walay mga driver's licenses hadlok sa pulis.

[fosing]

i say "paradise" is relative...

[gikapoy]

mao na but wa jud ka realized ang mga tawo nga nabilin dr sa pinas hasta imo mga silingan ma uli gani ka muarg obligado jud ka mohatag sa tanan nya mao lagi na ngil-ad dayon ka kung wa kay mahatag..

wakekke
mao nang inig uli nako dili ko mag pahibaw hehehe
kalit rako tunga

pero mo hatag pud baya ko kung naa ko mahatag
lisod pud baya kung ma overspend kung maka uli sa cebu

[gikapoy]

if life abroad is not paradise, whoever said that should come home and stay here.
barugi inyo gisulti

dili paradise pero dapat mo stay overseas para sa mga nabilin sa philippines

agwantahon ang ka mingaw ug mga kasakit ara lang ma hatagan ug maayong kinabuhi pamilya

bwahahaha

kung pwede palang lagi ko maka uli ako a nanang gi buhat

[gikapoy]

sayon ra na, andam mohatag plete si Manny Villar

wala mai problema ang pliti
ang problema kay kung naa ba enough savings or income inig uli hehehe

[jennesse]

Jenesse... he is not illegal, nor am I. Basin ikaw, illegal ka. We are both permanent residents. There is a BIG difference if you are working illegally in this country. One, they are not supposed to be here. Second, we are paying taxes and they aren't. They use the roads and infrastructures, yet they're not paying taxes. Life of an illegal is not paradise, at all. I don't see why it is so okay with you... am sure tago tago na sila sa immigration. I'm sure wala na sila'y address sa Postal Office. Sa simpleng sulti, yes lamang ang mga illegals namo kay kami dagku kaayo mi taxes sila wala so mas daku sila ug ma take home. But don't you think Americans are not hating us for that?

Mao na'y usahay mentality sa mga Pinoy kasagaran diri gud, ma kontento lang sa ilang pagkabutang diri's America. Friends sa ako mama? Cleaners nangari, illegal pa to sa una, pero nakapapel na, cleaners gihapon karon. There is a difference if illegal pa, while unta legal na, do somethingelse.

I can understand Mel Libre's point of view, because he is a man of intellegence. Taas siya ug pangutok. I cannot imagine myself doing odd jobs mamatay ko sa ka stagnant sa kong utok, ma frozen siguro. Of course it is decent, but is it worth us? Filipinos? Nope. We can definitely do somethingelse.

If you base your own definition of America being a paradise in the eyes of illegal aliens... in my honest opinion... not having freedom is not paradise at all to me. But if you base your definition in the eyes of ambitious Filipinos who make it in the professional american world... then at least arang arang siguro mouyon ko nimo. Pila raman kaha'y population sa mga tarong ug trabaho diri?

note: Nyikes somebody just told me you are not in the US? How can you say all these things you said nga wala pa man diay ka kaari? Gusto ka mangutana, we'll tell you honestly. Sayop ka, dili na pwede magka health insurance if illegal ka. Concrete example: Bisan mga bata diri nga illegal gikan sa Mexico nga dala sila sa ilang parents walay health insurance. Dili ka ka trabaho ug maayo nga company because kinahanglan ka naay papel and allowed to work. Example: If mo expire ang work authorization sa usa ka employee, the very day ni expire, he gets fired. Dili pwede ka drive mga illegals diri. Example: daghang mga mexicano nga illegals maayo kaayo mangdrive inig ka disgrasya magdinaganay kay walay mga driver's licenses hadlok sa pulis.

Hello Sir,
I agree with what you said, almost everything but with some clarification.

Obviously you are living there (i did not discredit) so you must have known better than I am here.

First, I believe your credibility of being in America so as that of other forummer. The illegal issue did not imply but suggest since he does good in everything except defending or at least acknowledging what makes him say otherwise (pertaining to his rough ideas towards other forummer), a trait that is practiced by every forummer in any forums that I've visited, although its not my loss, I leave that as is.

Second, to those who are from the Philippines, like me, may have no privilege to say about what we've learned and understand about life in America or any foreign land for that matter, but that does not mean our opinion is not as credible as yours or to those who been there in the foreign land first hand.


Now, Correct me if I am wrong since you do have some perspective of Filipinos who are here in the Philippines and to the ones where you are right now, be it legal or illegal. There is indeed a BIG difference when someone is illegal versus legal especially the freedom and the privileges, this is when you are talking Filipinos in America. Now, An illegal migrant in America versus a legal Filipino in the Philippines....this is my point. This is the focus of the thought regarding "PARADISE". From where I am, my understanding about the article is Filipinos has to understand that FOREIGN land is not PARADISE at all, and that Filipinos are better off staying in the Philippines.....This is what I disprove.

My thought is that, Foreign land may not be Paradise, so as Philippines. Why?
1. In America, you may start as nothing be it legal or illegal, but you have the chance especially if an opportunity lays in your lap. Although not all, but at least its there.....Here in the Philippines, Even though you are expert on your craft your chance the would equal from that in America to make it BIG in the Philippines is equivalent to being hit by a lightning...Is this Paradise in the Philippines? or America.
The comparisson is not you (legal immigrant) or me ( illegal one)...Its the chance to make it BIG if you live in the Philippines versus that in America. Now imagine if I will have the chance to be there legally, my perspective and oppostunity is enormous, dont you think?

2. Its is obvious that either you grow up with a silver spoon in your mouth, or you dont experienced being famish. As you grow, your responsibility grows with, i know you know this. Most of those Filipinos who survive with odd jobs believes that sad ad it may sounds but its way better off no job at all which is very rampant in the Philippines. I could not even start enumerating the statistics of jobless and hungry Filipnos in our Country.

3. You probably know this by now that Doctors, Teachers Ph. D., Nurses, Engineers, Computer literates, Dentist....what have you....do exist in America in one way or another from a Bogus marriage to Jump ships...these Professionals do extreme things just to keep there feet in American Ground. Why? Because America has better chance for them to survive versus Philippines...Is this Paradise in the Philippines? or America.

4. Regarding INSURANCE....I agree that you can not have Insurance if you are Illegal. BUT, what I said, thats not true as a general rule....Insurance is not the only way to enjoy health care in America....Money does....I have read so many Presidents and Kings, and Rulers to different parts of the world goes to America for health care....they pay CASH......Manny Pacquiao and Tommy Osmenia is doing it....On the other hand, once you step on to any Hospital in America if you get sick, you will be treated and medicated without any question of your income, migration status, culture, creed, age, religion, nationality.....NEVER you will enjoy this in the Philippines......Now correct me if I am wrong.....Which country is Paradise now? Philippines?

5. About children's health Insurance.....to prevent from argument I will leave it to you in learning further about health Insurance in America.....In illinois Governor Blagojevich signed and is now a law for quite some time regarding free health care to children below 18 years old, regardless of immigration status....Therefore it may not be true to what state are you now, but there is an existing law that every child can have FREE health care even to the illegal immigrants, Illinois has.

[Dorothea]

you seem so weak with definitions. that's what i've noticed.

do i really have to give you the definition of SARCASM?

ok, here it is. SARCASM - Sarcasm is a form of speech or writing which is bitter or cutting, being intended to taunt its target.

Hahaha! Lingaw ko aning define2x dah.

Before ta mag define sa SARCASM, mag define usa ta sa PARADISE.

Once we get a clear definition of what PARADISE is, then maybe this issue can get resolved?

LOL

[chad_tukes]

it's just a ridiculous thing to say that an ILLEGAL FILIPINO living in America is BETTER than a legal Filipino living in his own country. like the article said, and i'll type this in bold letters---IT'S NOT ALWAYS THE CASE.

it's very clear that it's not always the case. i'll take it from the illegal people i've known throughout my entire stay in America. i've met Filipinos here, illegal and legal, and i know the difference. i grew up in Cebu, so i definitely CAN COMPARE and i know the difference.

for all you know (especially the Filipinos in the Philippines reading this right now), that ABROAD is not ALWAYS (take note, ALWAYS) paradise. but like FOSSING said, PARADISE is RELATIVE. so what may be paradise to you might not be paradise to me. kanya-kanya lang na.

the article only reaches out to those Filipinos who have this impression that living ABROAD is ALWAYS paradise, that's why he said "it's not always the case". why should it be ALWAYS PARADISE when, if you're illegal, you can't even get the perks that we legals get? see where i'm going to.

yes, you get good healthcare, you get respected, you get this and that... blah blah blah... why, can't you get that in the Philippines? of course you can... don't tell me you can't coz YOU CAN. PERIOD.

healthcare in the Philippines? if you're MANNY PACQUIAO and you have the money, of course you can get good healthcare in the Philippines, why can't you? if you have the cash to flaunt, by all means then spend whatever amount you can spend to get the good healthcare for money's worth.

hey, Filipinos don't even have to worry about a frickin' MORTGAGE. tell me if that's not PARADISE alone.

[fruit salad]

What kind of analogy is that that rich people can get health care in the US real easy, of course, they can even go to any country because they are rich. But the ordinary Filipino? If he is illegal and gets sick? He has to pay $130/per visit to the doctor, that does not include prescription medicine which he has to pay in full, hospitalization? It is not free. Yes, they will admit you, but it becomes your debt if you can't pay them right there. Utang gihapon. Nothing comes for free. It might be respect that illegal aliens cannot be asked about their status in the country, but a lot of people around the US do not respect them.

Simple ra gyud nga analogy @Jenesse, I agree with Chad_Tukes that seeing US as paradise is relative. But we have to realize that coming to this country with illegal status is not an easy predicament, there is a price to pay. I can understand the author's point that living in a foreign land is not paradise. But doesn't mean an extraordinary filipino cannot survive and excel above those predicaments. But generally speaking, it sure is not paradise for the ordinary migrant. Daghan kaayo mi mahatag nimo nga mga observations, if you are interested to come to the US, I think you have to hold down your high expectations kay daghan mi nahibaw.an nga mga nangari nga tourists then nag overstay and ga work, hilak hilak pud uy. It is hard. Labi na nang mga bugnaw kaayo nga mga states, wa gud na sila'y mga awto kay approvan ba diay ug car dealership ang illegal? Nope, so you can't have a car. So magsakay nalang ug bus and train. Anywhere you go. Pwede magtaxi if mag grocery pero kasagaran nila magsakay ug bus, mag-atang ug bus, super tugnaw, as in below freezing. Mao ni mga cases nga makaana ta dili sayon. But it is a price to pay for money right? Daku man kaha ug sweldo diri aw hala, agwanta.

Misconception man gud na sa ordinaryo nga pinoy gud nga hayahay ang life sa America. Datu kaayo tan.awon sa pictures right? Laag diri laag didto? Pero for all we know gapatay na sila ug trabaho. Abang ug kwarto sa basement. Pwede ka mag google kung pila ang average monthly income diri necessary para di ka mabelong as poor. $2,000/month is definitely poor, sakto pud tong usa ka istoryan nga niingon datu imong padad-an sa pinas pero ikaw mismo, based on US standards, pobre ka.