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    Quote Originally Posted by Pein View Post
    oi unsa ra gani topic diri? "Why Evil is a Part of God's Creation"?

    ato kunong i post ang tibuok Genesis Chapter 1 kung apil ba sa creation ang evil.

    Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

    Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

    Gen 1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

    Gen 1:4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.

    Gen 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

    Gen 1:6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.

    Gen 1:7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.

    Gen 1:8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

    Gen 1:9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.

    Gen 1:10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.

    Gen 1:11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.

    Gen 1:12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

    Gen 1:13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.

    Gen 1:14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

    Gen 1:15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.

    Gen 1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.

    Gen 1:17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,

    Gen 1:18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.

    Gen 1:19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

    Gen 1:20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.

    Gen 1:21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

    Gen 1:22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.

    Gen 1:23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.

    Gen 1:24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.

    Gen 1:25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

    Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

    Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

    Gen 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

    Gen 1:29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.

    Gen 1:30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.

    Gen 1:31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

    naa ba moy nabasahan nga apil sa creation ang evil?

    hmmmmm...

    na misunderstood ni regnauld ang Isaiah 45:7, kung mugamit ta ug laing translation, mao ni ang nakasuwat:

    Isa 45:7

    I make light and create darkness. I make blessings and create disasters. I, the LORD, do all these things.

    I create both light and darkness; I bring both blessing and disaster. I, the LORD, do all these things.

    I am the giver of light and the maker of the dark; causing blessing, and sending troubles; I am the Lord, who does all these things.

    hmmmm...



    sir pien ako nalang ni i-apil ha

    isaiah 45:7 i form the light,and create darkness; i make peace,and create evil:i the lord do all these things


    AMOS 3:6 .....Shall there be evil in a city, and the lord hath not done it?

    unsaun ni pagsabot sir pien? basi dili ni ang evil na bad ang gi create sa lord sa?

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    The battle of light and darkness
    is within you.

    This is not a world of victimization.
    You are very much in control of your own life.
    You are here to see where you are in Light
    and also to find the residual areas of darkness
    that are determined to sabotage that Light.

    It is all too common
    to feel victim to negativity
    whereas the negativity
    is really owned by the individual
    as part of the karmic structure. Peace

  3. #163
    how can evil not be bad?...pfft!!...evil is not part of God's creation...it is man's product of exploiting his gift from God which is FREEWILL...

  4. #164
    Quote Originally Posted by Pein View Post
    oi unsa ra gani topic diri? "Why Evil is a Part of God's Creation"?

    ato kunong i post ang tibuok Genesis Chapter 1 kung apil ba sa creation ang evil.

    Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

    Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

    Gen 1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

    Gen 1:4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.

    Gen 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

    Gen 1:6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.

    Gen 1:7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.

    Gen 1:8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

    Gen 1:9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.

    Gen 1:10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.

    Gen 1:11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.

    Gen 1:12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

    Gen 1:13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.

    Gen 1:14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

    Gen 1:15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.

    Gen 1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.

    Gen 1:17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,

    Gen 1:18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.

    Gen 1:19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

    Gen 1:20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.

    Gen 1:21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

    Gen 1:22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.

    Gen 1:23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.

    Gen 1:24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.

    Gen 1:25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

    Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

    Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

    Gen 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

    Gen 1:29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.

    Gen 1:30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.

    Gen 1:31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.


    naa ba moy nabasahan nga apil sa creation ang evil?

    hmmmmm...

    na misunderstood ni regnauld ang Isaiah 45:7, kung mugamit ta ug laing translation, mao ni ang nakasuwat:

    Isa 45:7

    I make light and create darkness. I make blessings and create disasters. I, the LORD, do all these things.

    I create both light and darkness; I bring both blessing and disaster. I, the LORD, do all these things.

    I am the giver of light and the maker of the dark; causing blessing, and sending troubles; I am the Lord, who does all these things.

    hmmmm...
    sir, have you ever thought of just citing the bible like "Gen. 1:1-31" ? you might actually save energy, memory space and positive public relation.

    just a thought.

    cheers!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dulpeks View Post
    how can evil not be bad?...pfft!!...evil is not part of God's creation...it is man's product of exploiting his gift from God which is FREEWILL...
    Darkness is a choice.

    We are speaking of a denial of Light
    not an absence of Light.
    The concept of GOD being in all things, therefore,
    is not so irreconcilable. Peace!

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Child View Post
    sir, have you ever thought of just citing the bible like "Gen. 1:1-31" ? you might actually save energy, memory space and positive public relation.

    just a thought.

    cheers!
    lol. that was funny.

  7. #167
    Quote Originally Posted by regnauld View Post
    Duality: Evil, Darkness, Pain

    You are like children in a lighted room
    who close their eyes
    and say
    they are afraid of the dark.

    All darkness
    is a disturbance of light.

    What is evil but forgetfulness?

    You need know
    the nature of darkness.
    It is finite.
    from your poem and from your thread...light=good and darkness=evil?

    R U TRYING 2 SAY DAT DARKNESS IS ALWAYS AND WILL ALWAYS BE ASSOCIATED WITH EVIL??...mura'g naa man evil sa "LIGHT"...and in this world the good are in "DARKNESS"...how? look at the world around you...could you see good around??...what do you see??....war there, war here..famine there, famine here, corruption there, corruption here...but have you seen the little good things around you??....if you have, had the world taken notice of it?...unsa man ila nakit an?...

  8. #168
    Quote Originally Posted by regnauld View Post
    Darkness is a choice.

    We are speaking of a denial of Light
    not an absence of Light.
    The concept of GOD being in all things, therefore,
    is not so irreconcilable. Peace!

    are you with me or against me??...GOD is indeed omnipotent...but has He not given us the gift of FREEWILL?in other words the gift of choice??...He did created us...but He do not want us to be controlled by HIM...

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    Nothing exists in the human world
    that is not Godly.
    Last edited by regnauld; 01-14-2009 at 12:19 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dulpeks View Post
    from your poem and from your thread...light=good and darkness=evil?

    R U TRYING 2 SAY DAT DARKNESS IS ALWAYS AND WILL ALWAYS BE ASSOCIATED WITH EVIL??...mura'g naa man evil sa "LIGHT"...and in this world the good are in "DARKNESS"...how? look at the world around you...could you see good around??...what do you see??....war there, war here..famine there, famine here, corruption there, corruption here...but have you seen the little good things around you??....if you have, had the world taken notice of it?...unsa man ila nakit an?...
    Enlightening questions.

    All these things are here for us to learn
    but it is "us" who have brought them.
    In our belief in such things
    we have created them.
    We have not created them in order to be defeated
    but to learn.
    Of course there seems to be darkness in all of us,
    however it is not as we believe it to be.
    It is only shadow, cast by the interference
    of our false illusions,
    that cuts us off from the Light. Peace!

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