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    Mark 11:2-7, Luke 19:30-35 - Following Jesus’ instructions, the disciples bring him one animal
    Matthew 21:2-6 - Following Jesus’ instructions, the disciples bring him two animals
    John 12:14 - Jesus doesn’t instruct the disciples at all and gets a single animal himself

    Mark 11:7, Luke 19:35, John 12:14 - Jesus rides a single animal when entering Jerusalem
    Matthew 21:7 - Jesus rides two animals at the same time
    tan awa ra nang inyong gipuntos sa bible, may kalabutan ba na sa kaluwasan? kung one animal, kung two animals, unsa may kalabutan ana sa atong kaluwasan? halataa pud ninyo oi namuntos ramo.

    dako jud ug possibility nga naay errors ang bible kay ngano? gisuwat na sa mga apostol ug evangelista, naa sila sa mga caves. nagtago tago sila sa persecution. ang uban naa sa prisuhan nagsuwat. gisuwat na nila kung unsa ray ilang nakit an nadunggan without any other sources natural naay juy possibility masipyat.

    1Jn 1:3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.

    1Jn 1:4 And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full.

    kung ang imong source kung unsa ray imong nakit an ug nadunggan, natural dako jud ug possibility nga naay sipyat...pero tan awa lang nang inyong giingong contradiction wala juy kalabutan sa kaluwasan...unsa kahay makuha nato noh kung atong mahibaw an kung pila jud ka animals?

    klaroha pud kaayo oi namuntos ra...

    kung mao nay standard ninyo, fine. mas pilion pa gihapon nako ang bible kesa sa kadtong niiingon nga "heaven as a place do not exist" pero muingon diay ug "magkita rata didto"...

    mao nay klarong contradiction...
    Last edited by Pein; 01-07-2009 at 02:13 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pein View Post
    tan awa ra nang inyong gipuntos sa bible, may kalabutan ba na sa kaluwasan? kung one animal, kung two animals, unsa may kalabutan ana sa atong kaluwasan? halataa pud ninyo oi namuntos ramo.

    dako jud ug possibility nga naay errors ang bible kay ngano? gisuwat na sa mga apostol ug evangelista, naa sila sa mga caves. nagtago tago sila sa persecution. ang uban naa sa prisuhan nagsuwat. gisuwat na nila kung unsa ray ilang nakit an nadunggan without any other sources natural naay juy possibility masipyat.

    1Jn 1:3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.

    1Jn 1:4 And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full.

    kung ang imong source kung unsa ray imong nakit an ug nadunggan, natural dako jud ug possibility nga naay sipyat...pero tan awa lang nang inyong giingong contradiction wala juy kalabutan sa kaluwasan...unsa kahay makuha nato noh kung atong mahibaw an kung pila jud ka animals?

    klaroha pud kaayo oi namuntos ra...
    So bro Pien if you're saying the Bible has some errors, then unsa diay na nga klase sa divine inspiration? Masipyat diay ang Holy Spirit? That being the case, how do you know the extent of error naa sa Bibliya? Unsay degree of reliability of interpretation/understanding given nga naa man diay errors?

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    I never heard regnauld mentioned about "kaluwasan".

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    Quote Originally Posted by brownprose View Post
    So bro Pien if you're saying the Bible has some errors, then unsa diay na nga klase sa divine inspiration? Masipyat diay ang Holy Spirit? That being the case, how do you know the extent of error naa sa Bibliya? Unsay degree of reliability of interpretation/understanding given nga naa man diay errors?
    FYI noh, dili ako ang nag ingon nga daghang contradictions ang bible. dili ako ang dakog baba nga niingon nga daghang contradictions ang bible. ako rang gisakyan ang giingon sa TS. sabot ka?

    ang Holy Spirit, dili masipyat. pero ang nagsuwat, ang nag translate, masipyat. pero unsa mang klasiha sa sipyat? kay wala lang ta nakahibaw kung pila jud ka animals? kamabaw pud ana oi...

    kung kintahay wala ta nakahibaw sa exact number sa animals, ma unsa man diay ta? ma impyerno nata kay wala ta nakahibaw?

    tsk tsk tsk!

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    Quote Originally Posted by regnauld View Post
    Believers treat the Bible as if it were perfect and without flaws, infallible and error-free. The truth, is that the Bible has lots of errors, mistakes, and contradictions. That's only to be expected in a set of texts written and collected over several thousand years. In any other collection, errors and contradictions would be unremarkable. Because it's the Bible, this generates no end of debate.

    daghang mag katawa jud nimo ani bro....isa nako...

    mau nay masulti sa mga kulang sa pagsabot sa Bible bro... God made the Bible that's why its perfect

    dli ang mga prophet...
    think again...

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    unya ang gipuntos pa jud sa bible pirting pagka magbawa. wala lang nakahibaw kung pila ka animals ang gipakuha ni Jesus, namuntos na. mura jud ug arang ka maayong laki nila oi labaw pud rabang puro contradiction ang gipang ingon. unsa kahay makuha nato noh kung makahibaw ta kung pila jud to ka animals? bantayi na ilang giingong contradictions diba puro mga mabaw kaayo. naa man gani koy nakaistorya nga muslim sa una asta ang pagka hapla ni St. Paul contradiction daw...

    para sa ako ang importante sa bible kay para makahibaw raman siguro ta unsa ang saktong pag alagad sa Ginoo, unsay mga lessons nga ma apply nato sa atong kaugalingon para matarong ta, ug ubang information nga gikinahanglan nato para maluwas ta. pero kanang inyong gipuntos, unsa may makuha nato ana?

    tsk tsk tsk!

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    Another contradiction in the bible!

    What is the Last Supper?:
    There are good reasons why Jesus’ “last supper” with his disciples has been made the subject of so many artistic projects over the centuries: here, at one of the last gatherings attended by all, Jesus delivers instructions not on how to enjoy the meal, but how to remember him once he is gone. Much is communicated in just four verses. Unfortunately, it is difficult to say with any precision what really happened at this supper because the gospel accounts all differ so much.
    Was the Last Supper a Passover Meal?:
    The idea that the Last Supper was a Passover Meal, celebrating the sacrifice of a lamb to save the Hebrews while they were in captivity in Egypt, is regarded as an important connection between Christianity and Judaism. Not all gospel authors agreed on this, though.

    Mark 14:12, Matthew 26:17, Luke 22:7 - The Last Supper occurs on the first day of Passover
    John 19:14 - The Last Supper occurs the day before and Jesus is crucified on the first day of Passover
    Jesus Predicts His Betrayal During the Last Supper:
    It’s important that Jesus be betrayed to his enemies and Jesus knows this, but when does he tell the others?

    Mark 14:17-21, Matthew 26:20-25, John 13:21-30 - Jesus predicts his betrayal before the communion portion of the Last Supper
    Luke 22:21-23 - Jesus predicts his betrayal after the communion portion of the Last Supper
    Order of Communion During the Last Supper:
    The establishment of the communion celebration is perhaps the most important aspect of the Last Supper, so why can’t the gospels agree on the order?

    Mark 14:22-25, Matthew 26:26-29 - The order of communion: bread, then wine
    Luke 22:17-20 - The order of communion: wine, then bread
    John - There is no communion during the Last Supper
    Jesus Predicts Peter’s Denial During the Last Supper:
    Peter’s three-time denial of Jesus is an important aspect of the gospel stories, but none of the stories agree on what Jesus really predicted he would do.

    Mark 14:30 - Jesus predicts that Peter will deny him before the cock crows twice
    Matthew 26:34, Luke 22:34, John 13:38 - Jesus predicts that Peter will deny him before the cock crows

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    I have read from somewhere that most of the New Testament writers never met or saw Jesus in their lives. They lived many years after Jesus left the Earth. They wouldn't have known Jesus of Nazareth if they walked him on the street.

    The Bible writers were great believers and great historians. They took the stories which had been passed down to them ad to their friends by others - elders - from elder to elder, until finally a written record was made. And not everything of the Bible authors was included in the final document.

    Already "churches" had sprung up around the teachings of Jesus - and, as happens whenever and wherever people gather in groups around a powerful idea, there were certain individuals within these churches, or enclaves, who determined what parts of the Jesus Story were going to be told - and how. This process of selecting and editing continued throughout the gathering, writing, and publishing of the gospels, and the Bible.

    Even several centuries after the original scriptures were committed to writing, a High Council of the Church determined yet one more time which doctrines and truths were to be included in the then - official Bible - and which would be "unhealthy" or "premature" to reveal to the masses.

    And there have been other holy scriptures as well - each placed in writing in moments of inspiration by otherwise ordinary men.
    Last edited by regnauld; 01-07-2009 at 04:03 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by regnauld View Post
    Another Contradiction in the Bible!

    What is the Last Supper?:
    There are good reasons why Jesus’ “last supper” with his disciples has been made the subject of so many artistic projects over the centuries: here, at one of the last gatherings attended by all, Jesus delivers instructions not on how to enjoy the meal, but how to remember him once he is gone. Much is communicated in just four verses. Unfortunately, it is difficult to say with any precision what really happened at this supper because the gospel accounts all differ so much.
    Was the Last Supper a Passover Meal?:
    The idea that the Last Supper was a Passover Meal, celebrating the sacrifice of a lamb to save the Hebrews while they were in captivity in Egypt, is regarded as an important connection between Christianity and Judaism. Not all gospel authors agreed on this, though.

    Mark 14:12, Matthew 26:17, Luke 22:7 - The Last Supper occurs on the first day of Passover
    John 19:14 - The Last Supper occurs the day before and Jesus is crucified on the first day of Passover
    Jesus Predicts His Betrayal During the Last Supper:
    It’s important that Jesus be betrayed to his enemies and Jesus knows this, but when does he tell the others?

    Mark 14:17-21, Matthew 26:20-25, John 13:21-30 - Jesus predicts his betrayal before the communion portion of the Last Supper
    Luke 22:21-23 - Jesus predicts his betrayal after the communion portion of the Last Supper
    Order of Communion During the Last Supper:
    The establishment of the communion celebration is perhaps the most important aspect of the Last Supper, so why can’t the gospels agree on the order?

    Mark 14:22-25, Matthew 26:26-29 - The order of communion: bread, then wine
    Luke 22:17-20 - The order of communion: wine, then bread
    John - There is no communion during the Last Supper
    Jesus Predicts Peter’s Denial During the Last Supper:
    Peter’s three-time denial of Jesus is an important aspect of the gospel stories, but none of the stories agree on what Jesus really predicted he would do.

    Mark 14:30 - Jesus predicts that Peter will deny him before the cock crows twice
    Matthew 26:34, Luke 22:34, John 13:38 - Jesus predicts that Peter will deny him before the cock crows
    lumang tugtugin nana bro. awa imong gipang puntos sa bible pirting mga magbawa...asta ang pag tuktugaok sa manok imong gipuntusan...

    sa bible gihapon ko bro...mas pilion gihapon nako ang bible kesa sa imong giingon nga "heaven as a place do not exist" pero niingon ka nga "magkita rata didto"...

    mao nay klarong contradiction...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pein View Post
    lumang tugtugin nana bro. awa imong gipang puntos sa bible pirting mga magbawa...asta ang pag tuktugaok sa manok imong gipuntusan...

    sa bible gihapon ko bro...mas pilion gihapon nako ang bible kesa sa imong giingon nga "heaven as a place do not exist" pero niingon ka nga "magkita rata didto"...

    mao nay klarong contradiction...
    Why are you so defensive my friend?

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