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  1. 01-05-2009, 01:35 PM #81
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tobi View Post
    kay naa may freedom si Lucifer. kung wala pa unta tagai ug freedom si Lucifer sa Ginoo dili mudako ang iyang ulo.

    Sa ato pa bro kung naay freedom naay choices. Korek? unya naa diay EVIL bro as part of the choice di ba? So, naa diay EVIL sa langit bro?
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    Quote Originally Posted by regnauld View Post
    Sa ato pa bro kung naay freedom naay choices. Korek? unya naa diay EVIL bro as part of the choice di ba? So, naa diay EVIL sa langit bro?
    naa juy choices bro mao bitaw naay freedom. gitagaan man silag kaugalingong utok bro.

    walay Evil sa langit bro. sa dihang nibuhat ug dautan si Lucifer, gilabay si satanas diri sa kalibutan. tanang angel nga nibuhat ug evil gilabay diri sa kalibutan. so walay evil didto kay naa naman diri.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tobi View Post
    naa juy choices bro mao bitaw naay freedom. gitagaan man silag kaugalingong utok bro.

    walay Evil sa langit bro. sa dihang nibuhat ug dautan si Lucifer, gilabay si satanas diri sa kalibutan. tanang angel nga nibuhat ug evil gilabay diri sa kalibutan. so walay evil didto kay naa naman diri.

    naa diay utok (brain) ang angel bro? abi nako ang naay utok ang animal ra ug man. Asa man mabasa sa bibliya bro nga naay brain ang angel?

    imong premise bro kay nakabuhat si lucifer ug dautan kay gitagaan siya ug freedom to choose. di ba? sa ato pa bro kabalo siya nga naay EVIL. sa ato pa naa diay sa heaven ang EVIL. unya asa man sad na gikan ang EVIL bro sa wala pa ma demonyo si Lucifer? sa ato pa naa diay demonyo sa langit kay natental man si lucifer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by regnauld View Post
    naa diay utok (brain) ang angel bro? abi nako ang naay utok ang animal ra ug man. Asa man mabasa sa bibliya bro nga naay brain ang angel?

    imong premise bro kay nakabuhat si lucifer ug dautan kay gitagaan siya ug freedom to choose. di ba? sa ato pa bro kabalo siya nga naay EVIL. sa ato pa naa diay sa heaven ang EVIL. unya asa man sad na gikan ang EVIL bro sa wala pa ma demonyo si Lucifer? sa ato pa naa diay demonyo sa langit kay natental man si lucifer.
    dili literal nga utok akong buot ipasabot bro. literal diay ka muhuna huna bro?

    kay naa lagi freedom bro. kung wala pa untay freedom si Lucifer dili siya mubuhat ug evil.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tobi View Post
    dili literal nga utok akong buot ipasabot bro. literal diay ka muhuna huna bro?

    kay naa lagi freedom bro. kung wala pa untay freedom si Lucifer dili siya mubuhat ug evil.
    pareha ra gud na nimo bro nga walay literal sad nga mabasa nato ang Reincarnation. literal sad diay ka bro no regarding reincarnation?

    wala man nimo matubag ang pangutana bro. naay diay EVIL sa heaven? unya sa wala pa ma demonyo si lucifer kinsa may nagtental niya nga angel man siya? matental diay ang angel bro sa dautan?
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    this is a chicken and egg debate. Take god out of the picture and it's all settled. No more conflict.
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    Quote Originally Posted by regnauld View Post
    pareha ra gud na nimo bro nga walay literal sad nga mabasa nato ang Reincarnation. literal sad diay ka bro no regarding reincarnation?

    wala man nimo matubag ang pangutana bro. naay diay EVIL sa heaven? unya sa wala pa ma demonyo si lucifer kinsa may nagtental niya nga angel man siya? matental diay ang angel bro sa dautan?
    kay naa may freedom si Lucifer. kung wala pa tagai ug freedom si Lucifer dili siya mubuhat ug evil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tobi View Post
    kay naa may freedom si Lucifer. kung wala pa tagai ug freedom si Lucifer dili siya mubuhat ug evil.

    unya naa gyud diay EVIL sa heaven? wala man nimo matubag bro akong questions. it doesn't make sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by regnauld View Post
    unya naa gyud diay EVIL sa heaven? wala man nimo matubag bro akong questions. it doesn't make sense.
    hagbay rana nako natubag bro.

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    Satan have been created perfect and must have deviated from the way of truth and righteousness by deliberate choice like sa verses of John 8:44 and James 1:14, 15. nya naa verse sa ezekiel regarding sa king of tyre bitaw na described as poetically as "perfect in beauty" and 'faultless in his ways from the day of his being created until unrighteousness was found in him. (Ezekiel 28:11-19).so murag same thing happened kay Satan. wa man nag contest c satan kay God, i think satan challenged the way God was exercising his sovereignty. so he insinuated that God was depriving adam and eve of sumthing na naa clay ryt. (Genesis 3:1-5) nya nag succeed jud sya (Genesis 3:6-19; Romans 5:12) for me the Bible shows that Satan is the root cause of human suffering. God has nothing to do kung ngano naging evil c satan, unrighteousness was just found in him kung baga,

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