Why Evil Is a Part of God's Creation

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"Ang taong matanong, daig pa ang marunong."

Nag buhat ng sariling upu-an. intawn nimo dong itachi.

[abortretryfail]

He "chose" this? Wait-- wasn't God omniscient? Couldn't he see this coming? So why did he create Lucifer if he knew it was coming all along?

well, here's the way I see it... though I may be wrong.

but picture this... if you were God... would you rather have a whole bunch of mindless robotic
beings programmed to worship you day in and out? or would you like to have people you can
have a relationship with?

so one gift we were given is the freedom to choose... that's what's makes us human... free will.

so everyday we have the choice to do what's right or what's wrong (evil). evil is there to be a
choice. though unfortunately it's a lot easier to do what's wrong and enticed to be more "fun"

someone posted earlier that if God is omnipotent then how come he didn't foresee it?

well, he does know it's coming... he does know what you're going to do. but he wants you to
make the choice... you still have free will. he does not want to possess and force you or
program you do what's right.

if ever we do make the wrong choice what God does do is make ways for us to get back on the
right path. more opportunities to choose. God may be omnipotent but he's also wants us to learn
on our own and gives a nudge every now and then when we need it.

imagine what would've happened if Hitler made a choice not to take over the world and force the
supremacy of the Aryan race? what if he chose instead to rise above all his resentment and
build a better world instead?

this is a choice we are given to rise above who we are right now... and make a world where
evil is only existent as what it was ever intended to be... just a choice.

just my 2¢

[maniniyot]

Apil apil sab ta aning interesting nga topic beh.

Some say that God doesn't know evil, because they can't explain why a God who is good allows robberies, murders, disease, poverty, and other terrible happenings that are going on constantly on this earth. These misfortunes are certainly evil to us; but are they evil to God? If they are, why would God permit such evil?

Agree ko nimo bro, balo gyud ang Ginoo nga naay evil. Why would even He send His only Son if there is no evil to save us from diba?

God allows evil because he allows us to choose. Evil happens when "we" choose to think/do evil. God has nothing to do with it because it's our choice. So we cannot put the blame on God for the evil in the world. We can't even put 'all' the blame on Satan. Satan merely tempts us. It is we who do the sin/evil.

All the crimes, you mentioned robberies and murders, are clearly done by men. God even commanded us not to do them. So again, God has nothing to do with them. Poverty, is a result of how our society works. It's main cause is greed. God created the earth with an abundance of His bounty. He provided us with all we need. Sala diay sa Ginoo kung harboron nako ning mga bounty nga iya gi hinatag para nato tanan nya magkalata na lang kay dli nako ma hurot nya dli nako ipanghatag sa uban nga nanginahanglan? Disease and natural disasters are, for me, not evil. They are a part of the natural process. Scientist even know that without these violent disasters, life may have not formed. Scientists know how destructive they are but they also know why they are necessary. Normal ra mn sab ng mga linog, lunop, bagyo ug uban pa. Sa history sa kalibutan pirmi mn gyud na mahitabo. These 'disasters' shape the earth.

And if the evil did not come from Him who is the Supreme Creator of all things, where did it come from? Who created greed? Who created hate? Who created jealousy and anger? Who created harmful bacteria? Who created lustful temptation, and the temptation of greed? These were not the invention of human beings. Man could never have experienced them if they had not first been created.

Hate, greed, jealousy, pag biga-biga are created by us humans. These things cannot be created unless they are done. If God says, let there be hate. But if we disobey His command to hate and none of us hates, will there still be hatred? No. It has to be done for it to exist. But who does it? God or us?

And besides, God tells us not to hate, to be greedy, to be jealous. But we disobey Him. So is that God's fault or ours?

Temptation. It's clearly from Satan. Well it can be from God and His angels as well for they tempt us to be good. hehehe. But temptation to sin, it's Satan's.

"Who created harmful bacteria?"
God. But are 'harmful' bacteria evil? As you've pointed out there is nothing evil about a lion killing a deer because it's part of the natural process. Bacteria/viruses killing humans is part of the same process. There is nothing evil about that. That's just part of the way things are. We have to die. We can't live forever. Ka huot uroy sa kalibutan kung walay mangamatay . Bacteria are just one of the many ways we die.

Some people try to explain that evil does not exist, or that it is merely a psychological factor. But this is not so. The evidence of evil is here in the world. You cannot deny it. If there is no evil, why would Jesus pray, "Lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil"? Mat. 6:13 He is saying plainly that evil does exist.

Agree ko nimo 100% bro. Those who think its just a psych factor should have their psyches checked. hehehe

So, the truth is, we do find evil in the world. And where did it come from? GOD. Evil provides the contrast that enables us to recognize and experience goodness.

Good can exist even when there is no evil. That means you can still experience goodness even in the absence of evil.

Evil had to be, if there was to be any creation. If you wrote a message with white chalk on a white board, no one would see it.

You can't see it very well. But just because you can't, it doesn't mean it does not exist. Similarly, just because there is a spec of goodness in an ocean of other goodness, it doesn't mean that spec no longer exist. There doesn't have to be evil for creation to exist. There doesn't have to be evil for goodness to exist.

So, without the blacKboard of evil, the good things in the world could not be magnified at all.

I agree that evil provides contrast to goodness. But it can't magnify it.

For instance, Judas was Jesus' best publicity agent. By his evil act, Judas made Christ eternally famous. Jesus knew the role he had to play, and all that was going to happen to him in order that he might demonstrate the love and greatness of GOD, and a villain was necessary to this enactment. But it was not good for Judas that he chose to be the one whose dark deed, by contrast, extolled the glories of Christ's triumph over evil. Any comments?

Judas' betrayal did give Jesus some publicity and fame. But was this outcome the purpose of Judas' betrayal? No, it was just his greed. Whatever the outcome, he didn't care, all he cared about were the pieces of silver. He did not betray Jesus so that He will be famous. That Jesus' turned out famous was not Judas' goal but God's miracle - as one poster said God can make good things happen out of evil.

About Isaiah 45:7 bro, the Bible I have says it differently: "I create both light and darkness; I bring both blessing and disaster. I, the Lord, do all these things". It's a different translation. Might be interesting for us to read the original Hebrew translation.

[regnauld]

Apil apil sab ta aning interesting nga topic beh.



Agree ko nimo bro, balo gyud ang Ginoo nga naay evil. Why would even He send His only Son if there is no evil to save us from diba?

God allows evil because he allows us to choose. Evil happens when "we" choose to think/do evil. God has nothing to do with it because it's our choice. So we cannot put the blame on God for the evil in the world. We can't even put 'all' the blame on Satan. Satan merely tempts us. It is we who do the sin/evil.

All the crimes, you mentioned robberies and murders, are clearly done by men. God even commanded us not to do them. So again, God has nothing to do with them. Poverty, is a result of how our society works. It's main cause is greed. God created the earth with an abundance of His bounty. He provided us with all we need. Sala diay sa Ginoo kung harboron nako ning mga bounty nga iya gi hinatag para nato tanan nya magkalata na lang kay dli nako ma hurot nya dli nako ipanghatag sa uban nga nanginahanglan? Disease and natural disasters are, for me, not evil. They are a part of the natural process. Scientist even know that without these violent disasters, life may have not formed. Scientists know how destructive they are but they also know why they are necessary. Normal ra mn sab ng mga linog, lunop, bagyo ug uban pa. Sa history sa kalibutan pirmi mn gyud na mahitabo. These 'disasters' shape the earth.



Hate, greed, jealousy, pag biga-biga are created by us humans. These things cannot be created unless they are done. If God says, let there be hate. But if we disobey His command to hate and none of us hates, will there still be hatred? No. It has to be done for it to exist. But who does it? God or us?

And besides, God tells us not to hate, to be greedy, to be jealous. But we disobey Him. So is that God's fault or ours?

Temptation. It's clearly from Satan. Well it can be from God and His angels as well for they tempt us to be good. hehehe. But temptation to sin, it's Satan's.

"Who created harmful bacteria?"
God. But are 'harmful' bacteria evil? As you've pointed out there is nothing evil about a lion killing a deer because it's part of the natural process. Bacteria/viruses killing humans is part of the same process. There is nothing evil about that. That's just part of the way things are. We have to die. We can't live forever. Ka huot uroy sa kalibutan kung walay mangamatay . Bacteria are just one of the many ways we die.



Agree ko nimo 100% bro. Those who think its just a psych factor should have their psyches checked. hehehe




Good can exist even when there is no evil. That means you can still experience goodness even in the absence of evil.



You can't see it very well. But just because you can't, it doesn't mean it does not exist. Similarly, just because there is a spec of goodness in an ocean of other goodness, it doesn't mean that spec no longer exist. There doesn't have to be evil for creation to exist. There doesn't have to be evil for goodness to exist.



I agree that evil provides contrast to goodness. But it can't magnify it.



Judas' betrayal did give Jesus some publicity and fame. But was this outcome the purpose of Judas' betrayal? No, it was just his greed. Whatever the outcome, he didn't care, all he cared about were the pieces of silver. He did not betray Jesus so that He will be famous. That Jesus' turned out famous was not Judas' goal but God's miracle - as one poster said God can make good things happen out of evil.

About Isaiah 45:7 bro, the Bible I have says it differently: "I create both light and darkness; I bring both blessing and disaster. I, the Lord, do all these things". It's a different translation. Might be interesting for us to read the original Hebrew translation.

You have a very nice interpretation bro. Peace

However, I'm just wondering. How can GOOD exist without EVIL in this world? How can we know if it is GOOD? what are the standards to measure if we don't know what is its OPPOSITE? The Law of Opposites or Duality exist. No doubt. The concept of EVIL or the creation of duality (GOOD and EVIL) I believe as stated in the Bible originated from GOD HImself. But GOD as I have said is not the author of EVIL actions (SINS) of humanity. Man chooses EVIL and is responsible for the effect of his actions. Everything comes from GOD. No exception. And GOD set the perfect Law of Karma or Cause and Effect. For every action (good or bad) there is always a corresponding reaction (good or bad). I believe GOD does not punish nor reward us. We punish and reward ourselves by the consequences of our actions.

[k.A.i]

what if part sa nature sa tao ang mopatay?
dili diay ni siya evil?


para nako,
ang evil kay buhat buhat ra na sa tao!!
ang tao nay gahimo ana base sa iyang observation sa nature/environment etc..

[Tobi]

AMEN to that BRO! Everything is created by GOD including EVIL! for how can GOOD exist without EVIL? Peace!

sa akong nabasahan sa bible bro, sa Heaven wala may evil didto bro, dili makasulod didto ang bisan unsang klasing dautan. pero ni exist man sila bro even before God created earth. ni exist man ang good didto bro nga walay evil.

ang Ginoo maayo namang daan sa wala pa ni buhata ang tanan. He existed from eternity nga maayo nang daan. wala man siguro siyay kaatbang nga evil sa iyang pag exist. naa na diay siyay kaatbang nga dautan para muingon ka nga balance?

illogical manang imong statement bro. kung atong sundan nang imong tubag, sa ato pa naa pud diay evil sa langit para ma balance.

kung mubasa ka sa bible bro, sa creation, kung wala pa mu interfere si Satan ni Adam ug Eve, makasulod ba ang dautan?

basin muingon napud ka nga myth nang story ni Adam ug Eve. i already know your tricks.

walay dautan nga gibuhat sa Ginoo. kung naa man gani dautan, tungod kay gi pollute ni Satanas ang gibuhat sa Ginoo.

Gen 1:31 And God saw everything that he had made and that it was very good. There was evening, then morning-the sixth day.

[bahiista]

mga bro unsa naman ni..? tampo pod ko beh hehehehe..

[jblim1980]

unsa naman ni abot naman ug patay2..naa man jud evil aron thrilling pod ba ang life diri

[regnauld]

sa akong nabasahan sa bible bro, sa Heaven wala may evil didto bro, dili makasulod didto ang bisan unsang klasing dautan. pero ni exist man sila bro even before God created earth. ni exist man ang good didto bro nga walay evil.

ang Ginoo maayo namang daan sa wala pa ni buhata ang tanan. He existed from eternity nga maayo nang daan. wala man siguro siyay kaatbang nga evil sa iyang pag exist. naa na diay siyay kaatbang nga dautan para muingon ka nga balance?

illogical manang imong statement bro. kung atong sundan nang imong tubag, sa ato pa naa pud diay evil sa langit para ma balance.

kung mubasa ka sa bible bro, sa creation, kung wala pa mu interfere si Satan ni Adam ug Eve, makasulod ba ang dautan?

basin muingon napud ka nga myth nang story ni Adam ug Eve. i already know your tricks.

walay dautan nga gibuhat sa Ginoo. kung naa man gani dautan, tungod kay gi pollute ni Satanas ang gibuhat sa Ginoo.

Gen 1:31 And God saw everything that he had made and that it was very good. There was evening, then morning-the sixth day.

Unsaon man pag exist sa EVIL nga heaven naman na? lahi ra man na sa earth. toinks asa man gikan si Satan beh?

It was very good bitaw. walay lalis ana. Vey good according to the standard of GOD and that includes the concept of EVIL.

• In Genesis 2:17, God instructs Adam and Eve not to eat from "the tree of good and ra". The tree of good and disaster? The tree of good and calamity? Clearly not: it is the tree of good and evil.
• In Genesis 6:5, God resolves to destroy humankind in the great flood because "the wickedness (ra) of man was great in the earth".
• In Genesis 13:13, the men of Sodom were "wicked (ra) and sinners before the Lord exceedingly".
• In Deuteronomy 1:35, a furious God threatens the Israelites, "Surely there shall not one of these men of this evil (ra) generation see that good land, which I sware to give unto your fathers."
• In Judges 2:11, "the children of Israel did evil (ra) in the sight of the Lord, and served Baalim".
• In 1 Kings 16:30, the wicked king Ahab (husband of the infamous Jezebel) "did evil (ra) in the sight of the Lord above all that were before him".

[Tobi]

Unsaon man pag exist sa EVIL nga heaven naman na? lahi ra man na sa earth. toinks asa man gikan si Satan beh?

It was very good bitaw. walay lalis ana. Vey good according to the standard of GOD and that includes the concept of EVIL.

• In Genesis 2:17, God instructs Adam and Eve not to eat from "the tree of good and ra". The tree of good and disaster? The tree of good and calamity? Clearly not: it is the tree of good and evil.
• In Genesis 6:5, God resolves to destroy humankind in the great flood because "the wickedness (ra) of man was great in the earth".
• In Genesis 13:13, the men of Sodom were "wicked (ra) and sinners before the Lord exceedingly".
• In Deuteronomy 1:35, a furious God threatens the Israelites, "Surely there shall not one of these men of this evil (ra) generation see that good land, which I sware to give unto your fathers."
• In Judges 2:11, "the children of Israel did evil (ra) in the sight of the Lord, and served Baalim".
• In 1 Kings 16:30, the wicked king Ahab (husband of the infamous Jezebel) "did evil (ra) in the sight of the Lord above all that were before him".

so ang EVIL, GOOD pud diay na sa standard sa Ginoo?

dis a na nakuha nimo bro?