Is the Pope in the Vatican worthy to be Holy?

[regnauld]

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ok, so, basically, a serial killer is holy, or shall i say, a holy serial killer, amiryt?

[1] holy - devoted to the service of God, the church, or religion; exalted or worthy of complete devotion as one perfect in goodness and righteousness; venerated as or as if sacred.

[2] serial killer - someone who kills for fun; may or may not have affiliations with religion.

[3] holy serial killer - someone devoted to the service of God, the church, or religion, exalted or worthy of praise, venerated as if sacred, AND kills for fun.

and, NO, we're not talking about DIGNITY as beings but about a person's HOLINESS.

Ok forget about DIGINITY. My premise again is that GOD CREATED MAN IN HIS OWN IMAGE AND LIKENESS (ESSENCE) Therefore, MAN IS BASICALLY GOOD AND HOLY for we come from GOD!

What we call Sacred or Holy here is our SPIRITUAL ESSENCE OR our TRUE IDENTITY. A Serial Killer is a person whose essence is basically GOOD or HOLY but when he killed someone it does not necessarily mean that his TRUE IDENTITY or SPIRITUAL ESSENCE was lost. He was not defined entirely by his behavior or action as EVIL only the behavior and the action in itself is EVIL. Like the SUN (GOD) whose rays are US and when the clouds or darkness (SIN or EVIL ACTION) is about to cover the SUN, it does not mean the LIGHT (ESSENCE) was gone. It was only temporarily covered. The rays (US) are still one with the SUN(GOD)!

We don't exaggerate matters here. We don't call holy serial killer. It is understandable that what is holy is within. Serial Killer is just a label or our judgment to the person who committed the crime but has nothing to do with his REAL IDENTITY (SPIRITUAL ESSENCE). Holiness for me has nothing to do with being religious as what you have defined.It is much more deeper than that. Holiness for me is our SPARK with THE DIVINE!

[carmicael]

Ok forget about DIGINITY. My premise again is that GOD CREATED MAN IN HIS OWN IMAGE AND LIKENESS (ESSENCE) Therefore, MAN IS BASICALLY GOOD AND HOLY for we come from GOD!

you didn't answer my questions. we also inherit the state of being "without sin". so is this state retained when we "commit sin"? in similar context, is the state of being "holy" retained when we commit "unholy acts"?

What we call Sacred or Holy here is our SPIRITUAL ESSENCE OR our TRUE IDENTITY. A Serial Killer is a person whose essence is basically GOOD or HOLY but when he killed someone it does not necessarily mean that his TRUE IDENTITY or SPIRITUAL ESSENCE was lost. He was not defined entirely by his behavior or action as EVIL only the behavior and the action in itself is EVIL.

so, a serial killer is basically GOOD on the inside? so, killing, is not what he meant to do?

Like the SUN (GOD) whose rays are US and when the clouds or darkness (SIN or EVIL ACTION) is about to cover the SUN, it does not mean the LIGHT (ESSENCE) was gone. It was only temporarily covered. The rays (US) are still one with the SUN(GOD)!

so, let's talk in the example that Christ himself taught us. "vine and branches". Jesus is the vine, we are the branches, the moment we commit "sin" or "unholy acts", we are cut from the branches. yes, we can reattach ourselves, but only when we "try to live in Grace" and "repent". without doing so, are we still part of the vine? not anymore.

We don't exaggerate matters here. We don't call holy serial killer. It is understandable that what is holy is within.

ok, so now we have a serial killer who is holy within. is that correct?

Serial Killer is just a label or our judgment to the person who committed the crime but has nothing to do with his REAL IDENTITY (SPIRITUAL ESSENCE).

so, you're saying that the REAL IDENTITY of a serial killer is a GOOD and KIND? so, his being a serial killer is just a front/play? ah, so that means, when a person kills someone, he is actually still HOLY.
it goes without saying that when a person worships another (money for example), more than the Lord himself, that person is still holy. wow.

Holiness for me has nothing to do with being religious as what you have defined.It is much more deeper than that. Holiness for me is our SPARK with THE DIVINE!

so, a serial killer, while doing his acts(killing for fun), does it WITH SPARK FROM THE DIVINE?

these are the points you always seem to miss:
[1]holiness is not something we retain. it is something we strive to keep.

[2]as i've pointed out in my previous posts, the Bible dictates us to strive to be holy. if we were already holy and/or retain our holiness whilst doing evil, why does the Bible call us to become holy?

[3]Jesus did come to save the sinners, but hey, we have to do our part. without striving to be holy, can we be holy? i don't think so.

[SERENAvsBLAIRE]

kapoy nko back read. so to whoever claims that pope is the God,aguy a big NO NO, accdg to Matthew 23:9 (And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.) So ang priests of the Roman Catholic Church. Rev. Right Rev. Lord Bishop, etc. These are all forbidden. No apostle was ever so called. calling sum1 father kay for religious superiority ra gud na. who appointed our pope? who gives him this blessing na mangin Father of modern Earth? IMO. (im a catholic btw but i dont reli believe much sa pope and priests,i pray direstly, i read the Bible on my own. i dont believe in saints proclaimed by roman catholic. itamay na lng ko ninyo hhehehe. but belief ko na and i have faith in it.) thank you.

[regnauld]

you didn't answer my questions. we also inherit the state of being "without sin". so is this state retained when we "commit sin"? in similar context, is the state of being "holy" retained when we commit "unholy acts"?


so, a serial killer is basically GOOD on the inside? so, killing, is not what he meant to do?


so, let's talk in the example that Christ himself taught us. "vine and branches". Jesus is the vine, we are the branches, the moment we commit "sin" or "unholy acts", we are cut from the branches. yes, we can reattach ourselves, but only when we "try to live in Grace" and "repent". without doing so, are we still part of the vine? not anymore.


ok, so now we have a serial killer who is holy within. is that correct?


so, you're saying that the REAL IDENTITY of a serial killer is a GOOD and KIND? so, his being a serial killer is just a front/play? ah, so that means, when a person kills someone, he is actually still HOLY.
it goes without saying that when a person worships another (money for example), more than the Lord himself, that person is still holy. wow.


so, a serial killer, while doing his acts(killing for fun), does it WITH SPARK FROM THE DIVINE?

these are the points you always seem to miss:
[1]holiness is not something we retain. it is something we strive to keep.

[2]as i've pointed out in my previous posts, the Bible dictates us to strive to be holy. if we were already holy and/or retain our holiness whilst doing evil, why does the Bible call us to become holy?

[3]Jesus did come to save the sinners, but hey, we have to do our part. without striving to be holy, can we be holy? i don't think so.

Sin has nothing to do with Essence and that is a universal principle. Actions are the behavior and the essence is what makes the person holy, his TRUE IDENTITY which is SPIRITUAL. In philosophy, essence is the attribute or set of attributes that make an object or substance what it fundamentally is, and which it has by necessity, and without which it loses its identity.

The state of being (essence) is retained during the act and only the action is subject to the LAW of Cause and Effect not the essence. No one is exempted to this law. Yes the essence or spiritual being is intact. Only the action is affected and man is not his action. The serial killer is just a victim of circumstances and yet he is responsible for the effect of his unholy action as you call it. No one is exempted to The Law of Karma.

Yes basically the serial killer in essence is good from within the depths of his spirit. we cannot judge or condemn him that he is unholy or evil. Only from his actions which is separate from His True Identity.

Yes Jesus The Christ gave this example. Our essence is like this vine (Jesus The Christ) and we are the branches. That's why without GOD we are nothing. When we are cut off, that's only our actions but it doesn't mean our essence was lost. Again we are the rays of the sun. We are The Light of the world. How can a light loses its brilliance when the source of light is GOD? We cannot NOT destroy our essence. That's an impossibility. Jesus came here to enlighten us of our true identity that we are one with GOD.

1. We still retain our essence - our true identity. Striving means to become conscious about our essence that we are spiritual beings -one with GOD.

2. Jesus said, "The Kingdom of God is within (ESSENCE) you." You are the Light (essence) of the world. For me, Striving to be holy is to be conscious of our Real Identity that we are ONE WITH GOD because ignorance of this is the cause of suffering or sinfulness. So, if I ask you WHO ARE YOU? What is your REAL IDENTITY? What is your TRUE ESSENCE? I hope you will answer these questions.

3. Jesus came here to enlighten us of our ignorance. That's why we have to strive to be conscious of our essence (LIGHT). As Jesus said "YOU ARE THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD." Can we be holy? It's just like asking can a fish know that he is in the ocean? can an eye see itself? That's why we have to meditate who we are and realize the truth that we are one with GOD. PEACE! GOD BLESS!

[bcasabee]

You are a Catholic in name only but not really in belief.

kapoy nko back read. so to whoever claims that pope is the God,aguy a big NO NO, accdg to Matthew 23:9 (And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.) So ang priests of the Roman Catholic Church. Rev. Right Rev. Lord Bishop, etc. These are all forbidden. No apostle was ever so called. calling sum1 father kay for religious superiority ra gud na. who appointed our pope? who gives him this blessing na mangin Father of modern Earth? IMO. (im a catholic btw but i dont reli believe much sa pope and priests,i pray direstly, i read the Bible on my own. i dont believe in saints proclaimed by roman catholic. itamay na lng ko ninyo hhehehe. but belief ko na and i have faith in it.) thank you.

[kenshinsasuke]

no man is worthy to be holy,..

[dartzed]

no man is worthy to be holy,..

hmmmmmmmm but Jesus a God was once a man back then...

[knightleoric]

Yes, the pope is Holy....

[knightleoric]

no man is worthy to be holy,..

this is a stupefy comment

[carmicael]

Sin has nothing to do with Essence and that is a universal principle. Actions are the behavior and the essence is what makes the person holy, his TRUE IDENTITY which is SPIRITUAL. In philosophy, essence is the attribute or set of attributes that make an object or substance what it fundamentally is, and which it has by necessity, and without which it loses its identity.

The state of being (essence) is retained during the act and only the action is subject to the LAW of Cause and Effect not the essence. No one is exempted to this law. Yes the essence or spiritual being is intact. Only the action is affected and man is not his action. The serial killer is just a victim of circumstances and yet he is responsible for the effect of his unholy action as you call it. No one is exempted to The Law of Karma.

STATE OF BEING is too general. how about the STATE OF BEING WITHOUT SIN? is it retained? how about the STATE OF BEING HOLY? what doctrine of faith backs up your points?

Yes basically the serial killer in essence is good from within the depths of his spirit. we cannot judge or condemn him that he is unholy or evil. Only from his actions which is separate from His True Identity.

but it does not mean we CANNOT USE COMMON SENSE.

Yes Jesus The Christ gave this example. Our essence is like this vine (Jesus The Christ) and we are the branches. That's why without GOD we are nothing. When we are cut off, that's only our actions but it doesn't mean our essence was lost. Again we are the rays of the sun. We are The Light of the world. How can a light loses its brilliance when the source of light is GOD? We cannot NOT destroy our essence. That's an impossibility. Jesus came here to enlighten us of our true identity that we are one with GOD.

we WERE one. until we CHOOSE to walk away AND NEVER COME BACK. when GOD will separate the sheep from the goats, this ESSENCE will be destroyed. we must do our part.

1. We still retain our essence - our true identity. Striving means to become conscious about our essence that we are spiritual beings -one with GOD.

so, is the serial killer conscious about our essence that we are spiritual beings -one with GOD?

2. Jesus said, "The Kingdom of God is within (ESSENCE) you." You are the Light (essence) of the world. For me, Striving to be holy is to be conscious of our Real Identity that we are ONE WITH GOD because ignorance of this is the cause of suffering or sinfulness. So, if I ask you WHO ARE YOU? What is your REAL IDENTITY? What is your TRUE ESSENCE? I hope you will answer these questions.

i am a man in search of GOD and His Kingdom.

3. Jesus came here to enlighten us of our ignorance. That's why we have to strive to be conscious of our essence (LIGHT). As Jesus said "YOU ARE THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD." Can we be holy? It's just like asking can a fish know that he is in the ocean? can an eye see itself? That's why we have to meditate who we are and realize the truth that we are one with GOD. PEACE! GOD BLESS!

we CAN BE HOLY. but we CANNOT be as is when we COMMIT SIN and NOT STRIVE TO REPENT. (oh, for a fact, an eye can see itself)