Is the Pope in the Vatican worthy to be Holy?

[carmicael]

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i think some people here misinterprets the meaning of the word "Holy"

holy is not equal to a perfect being.

one of the meanings of holy is - dedicated or devoted to the service of God, dedicated or devoted to the service of God, the church, or religion: a holy man:

is he not fit for that meaning? or kung illiterate mo, pde nko e bisaya para mkasabot mo? heheeh

so, basically, a serial killer is not holy (as long as he retains his being a serial killer). of course, you can never say that a serial killer is devoted to the service of God, the church, or religion. amiryt?

[carmicael]

Premise: A person who is subject to learning / is a student .Yes generally speaking it follows! it also

Conclusion: If so, it also follows that a person who does not subject himself to learning / study is not a student. WRONG CONCLUSION MY FRIEND. This is misleading! It does not follow. Why? it does not necessarily mean that when a student does not subject himself to study is not a student anymore. REASON: A student may attend school but does not study his lesson. SEE? I have seen a lot of students only by name but don't study but they are still a student in the university! )

suppose a person is a DRUNKARD. we know that a DRUNKARD is someone who drinks a lot of liquor without knowing his/her limitations. do you get this part? if so, continue: suppose he has stopped DRINKING liquor. can we say that he is STILL A DRUNKARD? for sure, he WAS, but NOT anymore.

in the sense of a student/learner, as long as he is able to learn, he is a learner. so when he is not able to learn, he WAS a learner, but NOT anymore. (i've rephrased student with learner since you always relate student to your "point-of-view", not with the actual meaning.)

[carmicael]

I have already answered your question. You are very confused my friend. The unholy deeds are unholy in itself but it does not mean it diminishes the dignity of the person committing it because his being or his essence is holy! As I have said Man is created in the image and likeness of God (ESSENCE) and when he commits sin does that mean the essence is lost? NO. Man is still one with GOD! Are you still confused? Maybe you cannot accept that you are one with God because you don't believe that you are holy!

Let's define essence for your info. n philosophy, essence is the attribute or set of attributes that make an object or substance what it fundamentally is, and which it has by necessity, and without which it loses its identity.

Question: does our essence (spirit which is holy) got lost when we commit such unholy acts?

so, let's talk about these statements again:
[1]

The unholy deeds are unholy in itself but it does not mean it diminishes the dignity of the person committing it because his being or his essence is holy!

where did the argument on dignity come from?
the deeds are unholy, therefore, the person, doing the deeds, at that very moment, is unholy.

[2]

Man is created in the image and likeness of God (ESSENCE) and when he commits sin does that mean the essence is lost?

so, when God created man, he has acquired the essence of "holiness". but he also acquired the essence of being "without sin". correct?
in the event man "committed sin", is his essence of being "without sin" retained?
in similar context, in the event man committed an "unholy act", is his essence of being "holy" retained?

[3]

Man is still one with GOD!

man WAS one with GOD, and continues to be ONE with GOD as long as he strives to live in HIS grace and WAY. so, does a serial killer or rapist strive to live in HIS (God's) grace?

[nelanegro]

good work my friend...

Be HOLY for GOD is HOLY!!! Keep My Holy Rules & abstain from the things dat the world is offering you. Do not give an enemy a chance. Do not feed urselfs on things dat r not holy. Be upright & self-controlled so dat you will remain in My favor. Repent and seek truthfullness.. JESUS said...

[regnauld]

so, let's talk about these statements again:
[1]where did the argument on dignity come from?
the deeds are unholy, therefore, the person, doing the deeds, at that very moment, is unholy.

[2]so, when God created man, he has acquired the essence of "holiness". but he also acquired the essence of being "without sin". correct?
in the event man "committed sin", is his essence of being "without sin" retained?
in similar context, in the event man committed an "unholy act", is his essence of being "holy" retained?

[3]man WAS one with GOD, and continues to be ONE with GOD as long as he strives to live in HIS grace and WAY. so, does a serial killer or rapist strive to live in HIS (God's) grace?

Our essence is Spiritual and we are one with GOD! If you talk about the EVIL ACTION (SINS) there is a Law that will balance everything and that is The Universal Law of Karma or The Law of Cause & Effect. ("What you sow is what you reap") that for every action (evil for example) there is a corresponding effect (punishment). But the ESSENCE still remains. WE ARE SPIRITUAL BEINGS and that WE ARE ONE WITH GOD. So, a serial killer or rapist would reap their negative actions (punishment) but it does not mean it diminishes their dignity and ESSENCE as a spiritual beings created by GOD!

[regnauld]

so, let's talk about these statements again:
[1]where did the argument on dignity come from?
the deeds are unholy, therefore, the person, doing the deeds, at that very moment, is unholy.

[2]so, when God created man, he has acquired the essence of "holiness". but he also acquired the essence of being "without sin". correct?
in the event man "committed sin", is his essence of being "without sin" retained?
in similar context, in the event man committed an "unholy act", is his essence of being "holy" retained?

[3]man WAS one with GOD, and continues to be ONE with GOD as long as he strives to live in HIS grace and WAY. so, does a serial killer or rapist strive to live in HIS (God's) grace?

GOD never takes our ESSENCE. So, when GOD created Man in his image and likeness, the ESSENCE remains unchanged except the behavior which is not part of man's ESSENCE! ESSENCE will never be lost. I will give you an analogy. GOD is the SUN and we are the RAYS of the SUN (GOD). So, if man committed evil deeds the LIGHT is only overshadowed by DARKNESS (EVIL) or CLOUDS but when the DARKNESS or clouds steps out, THE SUN (GOD) shines as ever as before and we are still the RAYS of the SUN (GOD)

[carmicael]

GOD never takes our ESSENCE. So, when GOD created Man in his image and likeness, the ESSENCE remains unchanged except the behavior which is not part of man's ESSENCE! ESSENCE will never be lost. I will give you an analogy. GOD is the SUN and we are the RAYS of the SUN (GOD). So, if man committed evil deeds the LIGHT is only overshadowed by DARKNESS (EVIL) or CLOUDS but when the DARKNESS or clouds steps out, THE SUN (GOD) shines as ever as before and we are still the RAYS of the SUN (GOD)

you didn't answer these questions:

[1]in the event man "committed sin", is his essence of being "without sin" retained?
[2]in similar context, in the event man committed an "unholy act", is his essence of being "holy" retained?

[regnauld]

you didn't answer these questions:

[1]in the event man "committed sin", is his essence of being "without sin" retained?
[2]in similar context, in the event man committed an "unholy act", is his essence of being "holy" retained?

I will answer you bro tomorrow for I will rest now. I salute the GOD within you as I salute the GOD within me. THE KINGDOM OF GOD IS WITHIN YOU! - JESUS THE CHRIST! PEACE!

[carmicael]

Our essence is Spiritual and we are one with GOD! If you talk about the EVIL ACTION (SINS) there is a Law that will balance everything and that is The Universal Law of Karma or The Law of Cause & Effect. ("What you sow is what you reap") that for every action (evil for example) there is a corresponding effect (punishment). But the ESSENCE still remains. WE ARE SPIRITUAL BEINGS and that WE ARE ONE WITH GOD. So, a serial killer or rapist would reap their negative actions (punishment) but it does not mean it diminishes their dignity and ESSENCE as a spiritual beings created by GOD!

ok, so, basically, a serial killer is holy, or shall i say, a holy serial killer, amiryt?

[1] holy - devoted to the service of God, the church, or religion; exalted or worthy of complete devotion as one perfect in goodness and righteousness; venerated as or as if sacred.

[2] serial killer - someone who kills for fun; may or may not have affiliations with religion.

[3] holy serial killer - someone devoted to the service of God, the church, or religion, exalted or worthy of praise, venerated as if sacred, AND kills for fun.

and, NO, we're not talking about DIGNITY as beings but about a person's HOLINESS.

[rjdc_23]

praise b the Lord alleluia.