Second Look on Islam

[Alel]

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thats very misleading, you cant back that up.
easy for you to say...statistics says otherwise. mas daghan pang gubot ang mga religion centered countries compared to others.

Most noted case in point: Ireland.


Alel

[v2s13]

We cant assume that Bro. As what we can observe, in a way sense even dogs possess that sense that we humans label 'morality', although they do not regard it as highly as we humans do. And I dont think dogs worship any god. Hehehe

I think it was Munzter666 that pointed this out, not sure (if its not him but someone else, my apologies. ):

Religion is just a tool. Just like a gun. A gun does not kill people. Its people that kills people.

It surely is a tool that helps introduce the concept of morality to people. But it is not the tool. It is not the only tool.

Religion is somewhat like anesthesia. Its surely helps, but not a necessity for the collective purpose of a surgery. You can still operate a man without any anesthetics and still get the job done. I hope you can recognize the connection.

Tinuod sad

thats very misleading, you cant back that up.
easy for you to say...statistics says otherwise. mas daghan pang gubot ang mga religion centered countries compared to others.

Mao sad bro, ang mga probre na country mao mga religious country like ours hehehe. Di man gani ta open sa contraceptive unsa pa kaha sa other matters. Our country has too much faith in our so called God.

OT nman au ta. This thread is about Islam man. hehehe

[Malic]

i posted the quran that is in arabic and they can study it. muslims should be glad that i am encouraging everyone to read the quran and the hadith.

@v2s13: ang ginoo sa bible ginoo nimo pero dili nako ginoo kay kung tinuod pa nang imo ginoo hagbay ra unta sya nigawas aron humanon ang kagubot na dala sa religion. wa ba ka makapangutana man lang sa imo kaugalingon na kung tinuod pa naay ginoo na pareha sa giingon sa inyo bible. ngano hangtud ron wala pa man tay nakitang tao na walay kamot na kalit natubuan ug kamot. gamhanan man kaha nang ginoo ninyo. ug tinuod nang sulti nimo ang diyos na nahimong maayo sa new testament mao mao ra na diyos sa old testament kung tuohan ninyo si jesus. usa gihapon ka violente na diyos apan ato nalang ning consuelo de bobo kay bisag unsaon naghinulsol naman siya sa iyang gibuhat ug iya nang giusab ang iyang binuhatan na makita sa old testament.

ug unsa man ang ingon sa quran bahin sa ila kuno revelation:

dia man gani giingon sa quran:

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YUSUFALI: And We have indeed made the Qur'an easy to understand and remember: then is there any that will receive admonition?

easy to understand man kaha. aw, kung tubayon nato ang sulti ni malic, namakak diay ang quran kay kinahanglan pa man diay kuno ug musabot para nimo.

ang islam gikan pa lang sa sinugdan pirti nang gubota. sila sila man gani magpatyanay. kung dili sila busy pamatay sa mga kuffar ug dhimmis. sila sila mismo ang magpatyanay. tan-awa nalang nang pagkadivide nilag ayo. sunni vs shiite. sa una ra na panahon nagpinatyanay na ni sila, pareha ra ni sila sa mga catolico ug protestante na naggubot kay kaning inyo gituohan na ginoo hangtud ron wa man magpakita intawn sa iya kaugalingon kay mag-agi pa man daw sya ug mga propeta. pero ang tinuod ana gipangilad ra mo anang mga tao na nag-ingon propeta sila. sa kakusog ra na sa imagination sa mga tao hasta dewende himoon ug adviser.

If you can understand Arabic its easy to grasp the meaning behind the words written in the Qur'an.

But we cant avoid people with extreme inclination, take for example in the aspect of money. Money is neutral but some people use it to promote dissensions and confusions and others because of ignorance use it to support malicious intentions w/o them knowing. Such people exist in this world.

The Quran is easy to understand but we cant avoid extreme and imbalance interpretations,such things do occur even among the most sincere of us can sometimes commit mistakes thus a body of scholars is needed,someone who possess good virtues with a mind immerse in Godly objectives. These people will serve as check and balance.


Your Islamic history is inaccurate.

The battles among muslims were politically motivated and most muslims in this time will admit that indeed it was unislamic. Remember we judge the religion by its sacred book not on what the followers had done.


hasta ang duwende himoon ug adviser? toink,kami himoon namo ug adviser ang mga duwende. pataka man lang ka ug yawit oi. hehe


wa pa magpakita ang Ginoo? wa pa, paghuwat inig kamatay nimo.


Nangilad ra ang mga propeta? asa man imong ebidensya nga nangilad ra ang mga propeta? ipagawasd kuno.

[Malic]

@malic: Kana abu sayaf and milf bro i consider na sila na muslims? Murag grabe nman kau sila ka gubot. Unsa na sila na muslim? dba daghan mna tribe2x?

Most of them are muslims BUT it doesnt mean nga kanang kidnapping ug terrorism is part of Islam.


yes daghan ug tribe and race.

[Malic]

i like this idea.

[Malic]

Bro Malic, do you have some kind of a central authority? Like for Catholics, we have the Holy See which very much have the same authority as the what you have describe below.

Yes sir naa. naa na sila sa Saudi ug Egypt.

[Malic]

@tribu: close minded ra au ka bro about Islam. Knhanlan man bsin ug like mga priest sa islam or unsa ba na tawag para mka explain jd about Islam. Pareha ra gud sa Bible if ikaw2x ra mo basa ana sure jd ko di nmo masabtan tanan. Knhanlan jd expert sa mga in ana na butang usa ka mka judge sa religion.

Sa bible dili dai salbahis a2 ginoo ka2 na time na naa flood?? daghan au patay. And ka2 plagues etc nahitabo? Dili dai to death iya punishment? Pero if ang priest mo explain ani dha ka mka sabot unsa ang sak2 na interpretation. If mo basa ka sa revelations naa dha halos mga end of the world stuff pero wa jd kai ma sabtan, samot na ang Psalms hehehe

Internet is not the best teacher bro. Try to find kana pari2x(la ko kbaw unsa tawag ana nila ) sa muslim para ma explainan jd ka ayaw i base imo learnings sa youtube, net and self reading sa quaran. Pareha ra nko wai basa2x bible kay wai gamit di ko kasabot nya kapoy sad ad2 pari para pa explain gud. hehehe
Daghan catholics dri sa pinas pero most of them has wrong a understanding about christianity. Daghan christians pero maglibog ko kay mo tu-o japon ug mga encanto, mag offer2x pa. hehehe

Daghan sad tawn christiano salbahis, like sa politics, they might not kill people personally/directly but they are killing them unconciously. Every peso they steal someone dies of hunger. 5th nata sa pinaka ka gutom na country sa world. Daghan gud tao na so-called christians para mo fit in sa society pero in reality wa na sila Ginoo. Kay kung tanan christians true christians pa jd di unta ta in ani ka corrupt ang pinas.

na impress ko ani,nice mind and nice point.


specially this one...Internet is not the best teacher bro. Try to find kana pari2x(la ko kbaw unsa tawag ana nila ) sa muslim para ma explainan jd ka ayaw i base imo learnings sa youtube, net and self reading sa quaran. Pareha ra nko wai basa2x bible kay wai gamit di ko kasabot nya kapoy sad ad2 pari para pa explain gud. hehehe
Daghan catholics dri sa pinas pero most of them has wrong a understanding about christianity. Daghan christians pero maglibog ko kay mo tu-o japon ug mga encanto, mag offer2x pa. hehehe

[tokidoki_v2.0]

I agree. He who DESPERATELY tries to find faults in the Quran is more of an ignoramus than I am.

@Malic, kanang sa saudi ba dili ba na diha ang pilgrimage to mecca? The one were all Muslims are required in their lifetime to do? Also, di ba mo maglisud ug secure ug visa ana? gubota siguro ana sa immigration officer oi. hehehe...

[jofox]

Yes sir naa. naa na sila sa Saudi ug Egypt.

bro asa man dapit sa egypt? so far i know is in saudi...

[Malic]

@tokidoki_v2.0

Yes sir naa diha ang Mecca, obligatory sa mga muslims nga healthy physicaly ug financially able to perform the Hajj(pilgrimage) once in his/her lifetime.

Every year ni siya nga event bro. Di maN lisod magkuha ug visa sir. Mao jud mo labad gamay ang ulo sa immigration officer ana. This month mao na ni where magsugod na sila ug larga sa Mecca.


Ang nindot ana bro is kung naay mo sponsor nimo,hehe. Kay ma libre ka. Usually naa jud na bro from Saudi,Qatar and other islamic countries nga naay daghang kwarta mangita na sila ug beneficiaries.


YouTube - Hajj view of the Kaaba as pilgrims walk