Second Look on Islam

[Alel]

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@Tribu: Then you learn from them through your interpretation, then. And not really what it says.

See...It only gets worse when someone try to learn from it exactly as it is written, word for word...

So your point is??


Alel

[tribu]

@Tribu: Then you learn from them through your interpretation, then. And not really what it says.

See...It only gets worse when someone try to learn from it exactly as it is written, word for word...

So your point is??


Alel

the words are very simple, go check it yourself and see if i'm lying.

besides the quran says this:

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YUSUFALI: And We have indeed made the Qur'an easy to understand and remember: then is there any that will receive admonition?


so if you are intelligent you would be able to understand it.

[Alel]

the words are very simple, go check it yourself and see if i'm lying.

besides the quran says this:

054.017
YUSUFALI: And We have indeed made the Qur'an easy to understand and remember: then is there any that will receive admonition?


so if you are intelligent you would be able to understand it.

I dont think you were lying...

The point is that do you think living and learning exactly by the book is 'healthy'?

And besides, no-one can ever learn without interpreting first what is fed to his knowledge-base.

If you want healthy learning, think of the books/learning materials like the air around us: Inhale what you need, exhale what you don't need - carbon dioxide poisons you.

Just my two cents.


Alel

[Malic]

if they follow the old testament then it means they are jews and not christians. it's that simple. christians lived by the new testament and not the old testament. the old testament are for the jews.

and again, let us judge the religions sacred books and not what the adherents were doing.

and FYI, the crusades were formed to protect the christians pilgrims form the attacks by terrorists along the pilgrim route. they were in the beginning there to protect the pilgrims but they later grew so powerful that they become like muhamad who lust for more power and more wealth.



if they follow the old testament then it means they are jews and not christians. it's that simple. christians lived by the new testament and the old testament. the old testament are for the jews.

he did not abolished the law but he fulfilled it so he can negotiate a new commandment. that is why it says that he ransomed his believers from the old law. the old law that requires bloody sacrifice.

that is the reason why christians believed that he really died on the cross and shed his blood because blood was required to "buyout" the old covenant and negotiate a new one, a new covenant. but it was required that the party involved should fulfill the requirements of the law and so jesus did it for the christians he fulfilled the requirements but on the night before his crucifixion he gave them a new commandment and set a new system/organization for them. a new group whose laws are not written in stones but in their hearts. whose law is the law of tolerance, peace and love. thus the old law is gone and the new had begun.



islam is discrediting itself. i am not even using any religion to discredit islam.

my position had always been the same. and i have always been clear from the beginning that christianity unlike islam is a religion of peace, love and tolerance because it had already abrogated the violent verse of the jewish law.

sa ato pa. ang christianismo nagkadugay nagkamaayo, apan ang islam nagkadugay nagkabuang naman nuon.

all that people have to do is read the quran and the hadith and compare it with the new testament of the christians.

i have always been telling people, judge the religion by their sacred book, read read read, read those sacred books and make comparison. which of these religion is tolerance, peace and love.

in christianity, people are always encourage to look within themselves, to view oneself as responsible for ones action. that is why christians are told to "pluck their own eyes", "remove the dust on their own eyes".

in most if not all islamic society, when women acidentally uncovers themselves and it makes the men lust for them, a muslim man will not say it's their fault like muhamad they'll blame it on the women. they point finger not at themselves but at their neighbors.



we will judge the religion by what its sacred books are teaching its adherents and not what its adherents are doing. it's that simple.

read the sacred books of these religion and we will judge these religion through their sacred books.




because people are foolish, if these god realy exist and he is in deed merciful and compassionate and powerful too. why don't he show himself and end all these religious war.

this only shows that there is really no such thing as god, god is just a product of man's wild imagination. and like muhamad god is an alter ego, a rubber stamp that makes all of muhamad's evil action legitimate. he wants to kill the person who said bad things about him and so he would makes a verses purportedly from god that says "you should kill eli soriano because he insulted my prophet." and so his adherents will then kill eli soriano and shout "allahu akbar" because allah commanded such to be done.

Playing expert again. Most of your issues have been answered already. So let me divert for awhile and let me tell you something.


Your points are immature and incorrect, you have traces of inaccuracies and therefore can be qualified as a poser.

Here are my proofs...

If they follow the old testament then they are jews and not christians?
You are confuse. Jews dont have the New testament but the christians do. Most christians do follow the old testament FYI,unless you belong to a cult. For example,nowhere in the new testament that christians are required to give the tenth of their wealth but christians follow this law of tithing. Christians also quote old testament verses,and up till now christians follow the laws of Moses such as: thou shall not kill, thou shall not covet thy neighbors wife and etc...

the best proof of this, is,even Jesus quotes Old testament law w/c i showed you during my last post.

judge the sacred book and not what the adherents are doing?
So correct,and because you are a poser your information is inaccurate,thats natural for someone who pretends to know something. The bible is one book,the God in the old testament is the same God of the new testament,the God who committed genocide is the same God in the person of Jesus. You cant acquit Jesus unless you delete the old testament out from the christian bible.

So go ahead judge the book by what is written. By the way your abrogation has no effect,ayaw palusot,hehe. Jesus even quotes old testament principle,showing that there is no abrogation done,unless of course theologians love to play God.

The crusaders were formed to protect?
LOLZ. again inaccuracies,a sign of a helpless poser.


Muhammad lust for power and wealth?
LOLZ, again, a sign of a poser and now verging to become a troller. I bet YOU HAVE NEVER READ the Quran and the HADITHS. Mao na cge ug google nya dawatun ang gi pangsulti nga mga misrpresentations ang mahitabo, migawas ang pagka ignorante.

FYI, Muhammad during his time sat on no Throne. He dislikes when people greets him and treat him like someone important. when he died, he only had a bed made of straw,a blanket,one horse,and a house made of ordinary materials. Most of his wives were old maids,whose husbands died during the war. He took them because its kinda hard to be a widow t that time and marry them because its not lawful for him to take this women inside his family w/o marrying them. If my memory serves me right he only had 2 young wives. You are so misinformed.


Islam is discredting itself?

LOLZ,again this statement is a desperate act of a poser,who only googles for informations.

FYI, Islam is the fastest religion in the world. In fact the statistic shows that the growth rise after 9/11. and most of its converts are women. So i dont know where you get your information that Islam is discredting itself.


Nagkadugay naka maayo ang kristyano?

well di lang ko mo comment ani kay i know you dont represent christianity. Di man gani ka ganahan ni Jesus matud nimo,you hate middle-eastern religion. So mao ng osahay mag libog ko nimo. Kay at one point gamiton nimo ang chrsitianity para isabong sa Islam nya kung maglisod na, mo dayun ka ug ingun nga dili ka ganahan sa mga middle eastern religion where christianity belongs.


This guy is unbelievable, ka poser nimo sir oi. You are encouraging the people to read the Quran as if you have already read the Quran giving an impression nga expert na ka sa mga exegesis sa Quran,LOLZ. I will bet my life nga wala pa ka ka read sa Quran, kay FYI sir noh, ang Quran is written in ARABIC,kabalo ka mobasa ug arabic sir? kanang mga english nga Quran dili na Quran sir mga translation na sila. Most of them is not accurate because the ARABIC language is totally different sa english language,mao ng mga english translations dont have an accurate translation.

With all the pretensions you showed here and with all the inaccuracies in the information you have given i personally believe that you are a Poser and slowly becoming a troll.

[Malic]

To all the guys participating here,thank you for maintaining the peace in this thread. I have much to share.

I believe what one Bishop said...If the nations of this world(U.N) can come together and talk about how to keep the peace inspite of differences in culture,governance,policies and etc. why cant the religions of the world?

[Malic]

a year ago, i also thought that islam is peace because i didn't bother to read the quran and the hadith. i just trust all those commentaries from imams and islamic clerics but luckily i found a good source for islam's quran and hadith and started reading it. it opened my eyes and i finally found the answer to why many muslims do what they are doing and why there is so much oppression and suffering for non-muslims and even muslim women in many islamic countries especially those in the middle east. i finally realized i was fooled into believing that islam is peace.

and when i saw the reaction to my posts here, i also realized that all that i found out about islam in the quran and hadith are still being practiced by many muslims even if they would try to deny it. their actions would somehow betray their propaganda/coverups. i realized that questioning islam is dangerous because islam's sacred book had fear of being questioned and so it command its adherents to use intimidation and violence to silence the person who questions islam's truthfulness. the hadith is full of such examples. and one more undeniable truth is that islam prescribed death to apostates. which means it is islam's command to kill anyone who would freely chose to reject islam after being known as a muslim. it's undeniable because it's being implemented by shariah courts in most, if not all, muslim countries.

LOLZ. you want us to believe that you really studied Islam? okay.

oh you were fooled? by whom? by anti-islamic sites?

Millions of converts will disprove your allegation sir.

There have been debates & symposiums conducted by Muslims,so far i havent heard anyone being shot and intimidated for questioning islamic laws and principles,at least the ones conducted by moderate muslims.

[tokidoki_v2.0]

LOLZ. you want us to believe that you really studied Islam? okay.

That's why I don't mention credentials here. Anyone can be anyone in istorya. I can simply say that I'm an engineer with a PHD and an MBA (impressive? so impressive that's it's obviously BS).

And considering sources are dauntingly numerous I only refer to them broadly coz in reality nobody actually bothers to read them.

[tokidoki_v2.0]

LOLZ. you want us to believe that you really studied Islam? okay.

That's why I don't mention credentials here. Anyone can be anyone in istorya. I can simply say that I'm an engineer with a PHD and an MBA (impressive? so impressive that's it's obviously BS and obviously a ploy to make someone's piss or d**k size larger than yours.).

And considering sources are dauntingly numerous I only refer to them broadly coz in reality nobody actually bothers to read them.

[Malic]

That's why I don't mention credentials here. Anyone can be anyone in istorya. I can simply say that I'm an engineer with a PHD and an MBA (impressive? so impressive that's it's obviously BS and obviously a ploy to make someone's piss or d**k size larger than yours.).

And considering sources are dauntingly numerous I only refer to them broadly coz in reality nobody actually bothers to read them.

[NASYO]

religion is just an escape

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