should we take the Bible Literally?

[nightowl]

read:

1. The Jesus Papers by Michael Baigent
2. The Jesus Dynasty by James Tabor
3. The Gospel of Jesus by James Robinson
4. Jesus the Man by Barbara Thiering
5. The Brother of Jesus by Shanks & Witherington

five lang usa. naa pa koy library diri. these books are authored by biblical scholars and/or archaeologists ha. mga professionals ni sila. unsa may profession anang mga pari na nag-sangyaw sa bibliya? ha?

Thanks for the list. It helps Catholics to understand more on thier religion. One word of advice for those who want to read the book/s. "keep an open mind" especially if you are a Catholic like me.

for your question: unsa may profession anang mga pari na nag-sangyaw sa bibliya?

They do have a degree. Before they can be ordained as priests, they have to undergo 8 years of formal studies consisting of a 4yr college degree course(most of them took up philosophy)then moving on to 4years more to study theology( inside seminaries). and after being ordained, they are allowed to continue studying for their doctorate degrees.

[nightowl]

opps! back to Topic on hand.

Nope.

use it as a guide. understand it. reflect on it.

[tokidoki_v2.0]

Thanks for the list. It helps Catholics to understand more on thier religion. One word of advice for those who want to read the book/s. "keep an open mind" especially if you are a Catholic like me.

Hehehe... Careful ana na statement pre. To a christian, "keep an open mind" usually translates to newcomers interested in reading the bible. but if you venture outside their beliefs keeping an "open mind" is considered a sin.

[Super Bisdak]

should we should we? watchathink?

is it possible that there is different meaning to a certain passage?
how sure are we if the meaning of the verse is really that of what they(bible pipz) say?

ang uban question nko later nalang nko i.ask.. hihihi

Maayong adlaw mga igsoon!

Maayo ni nga pangutana kay nagpaila kini nga gusto ang usa ka tawo makakat-on sa pulong sa Ginoo. Pero wala ko masayud kung unsay tinood nga motive sa atong igsoon bahin ani nga pangutana.

Akong ikatubag bahin ani mao ni:

Ang Bible gisulat aron masabtan (Eph 5:17). Ug aron masabtan ang pulong kinahanglan ang pagpaubos sa kaugalingon ug pag-usab sa atong salabutan (Rom 12:1-2).

Kinahanglan atong masayran nga ang Bible naglangkob (contain) usab kini ug "figures of speech". Busa dili nato sabton ang tibook Bible sa literal lamang nga paagi.

Pareha ra gihapon sa atong inadlaw-adlaw nga pakigstorya, dunay mga figures of speech usab. Ibutang nato, duna koy higala nga morag kilat kakusog modagan. Nagpasabot ba nga ang iyang speed 297,030kph? hehe grabe sab! Apan sa maong statement gitagaan lang ug gibug-aton ang iyang pagkatulin.

Mga pipila ka example sa Bible nga dunay figures of speech:
1. Matt 23:27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchers, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness. - simile
2. Psa 119:105 Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. - metaphor
3. Gal 4: duha ka babae nagrepresent sa duha ka pakigsaad. - allegory
4. 1 Cor 11: Container for the contents. Pot boils. - metonomy
5. Pro 15:3 The eyes of the LORD are in every place, beholding the evil and the good. - synecdoche
...ug daghan pa!

Duna poy room ang literal nga pagsabot.

Mga example na sab:
1. Isa 40:22 - Ang kalibutan lingin.
2. Isa 51:6; Psa 120:26; Heb 1:11 - The earth is wearing out. Mao ni ang gi-explain sa 2nd law of Thermodynamics (mga engineers sweto ani).
3. Lev 17:11-14 - The life of the flesh is in the blood. (Tinood gyud kay naimpas gani si George Washington during sa blood-letting process, laliman ka 5 pints sa dugo?)
... ug daghan pa!

A basic rule: words must be understood in their literal sense unless the context demands a figurative or spiritual connotation.
Above all as a Christian: we need the Holy Spirit

Ang Ginoo magpanalangin kanato!

[casablanca]

i think the problem with us is that we are so fascinated by conspiracy theories. we always try to look for hidden meanings and messages...and for what? we're just making our life unnecessarily complicated. the Bible is there for our disposal. let's take its LESSONS, not its words, literally.

[leo_trams]

dili literal kay naa man 'tay mga gamhanan dinhi. Maayo kaayo sila kuno mohubad sa unsay mga nahisulat sa Bibliya.

mga gamhanan nga self-proclaimed nga nakigstorya gyud sila sa Ginoo o mo claim nga ang Ginoo nakigstorya nila o gitugahan sila sa Ginoo ug Divine wisdom.

Kuwang na lang moingon nga anak pud sila sa Ginoo or igsoon sila sa Ginoo o kapamilya o kapuso o kasama o kagupa sila sa Ginoo.

[Hellblazer 2.1]

the bible is still a great book. but what is written inside should NOT be taken literally.

[NASYO]

it should be taken logically

and artistically sad

with some creativitya

[Techfinder]

And what makes you think your hermeneutics/exegesis is better than the rest of the 23,000 sola scripturalists denominations?

Frankly speaking, they're just claiming to be SOLA-SCRIPTURALIST but actually not.

That's very apparent in their teachings, particularly the TRINITY - a doctrine foreign to the scriptures.

Now may I ask you what makes the Catholic Magesterium better than the Scriptures?.....

btw, they are all saying that they are guided by the Holy Spirit. Now who do you think among them is guided by the right spirit, you? Come on?

None of those TRINITARIAN CHURCHES!


2 Cor. 11:3-4 "But I fear, lest somehow, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, so your minds may be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. For if he who comes preaches ANOTHER JESUS whom we have not preached, or if you receive a DIFFERENT SPIRIT which you have not received, or a different gospel which you have not accepted.


2 Tim 4:4-5 " and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables.

[brownprose]

Frankly speaking, they're just claiming to be SOLA-SCRIPTURALIST but actually not.

so its your sola scriptura vs. the 23,000 other denominations who claim to be also sola scriptura. so what makes you think your brand of sola scriptura is right and theirs is wrong? does your bible tell you that only techfinder or techfinder's church's sola scriptura is correct?

That's very apparent in their teachings, particularly the TRINITY - a doctrine foreign to the scriptures.

How do you know? Is it apparent in your sola scriptura that the Trinitarian doctrine is wrong simply because you don't read it in your bible the way the trinitarians read it?

Now may I ask you what makes the Catholic Magesterium better than the Scriptures?.....

You better ask them not me. I am not catholic.

Btw, you might be interested to know that your sola scriptura is never found in your Bible neither does it say that your sola scriptura is better than the scriptures.