Symposium about Islam

[munzter666]

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I read Sun Tzu's art of war

Political warfare has been the way Spaniards colonized earlier tribes. Mao na ang Pinas supak sa kastila pero ang kapwa pinoy ang kaaway kay ang pikas gi incite man pud sa kastila. If you look at the numbers, if dunganon sa pinoy ug palayas ang kastila kaya baya. But nobody ever wondered why with only the few spaniards here they were able to control an entire country consisting of thousands of islands (excluding muslim mindanao). Kinsa man sad ila gipa atake sa muslim? Pinoy ra pud!

They applied the same tactics with the aztecs as well.

effective tactic even in modern warfare...just like what the CIA operatives did in afganistan during the soviet conflict....the green berets in vietnam, a reference to one of their primary missions, training and advising foreign indigenous forces.hehehe

[Malic]

I read Sun Tzu's art of war

Political warfare has been the way Spaniards colonized earlier tribes. Mao na ang Pinas supak sa kastila pero ang kapwa pinoy ang kaaway kay ang pikas gi incite man pud sa kastila. If you look at the numbers, if dunganon sa pinoy ug palayas ang kastila kaya baya. But nobody ever wondered why with only the few spaniards here they were able to control an entire country consisting of thousands of islands (excluding muslim mindanao). Kinsa man sad ila gipa atake sa muslim? Pinoy ra pud!

They applied the same tactics with the aztecs as well.

Mao diay nagbasa diay ka anang Sun Tzu's,maldito jud, hehe.

Correct sir,there was already an existing Sultanate sa Mindanao,wala pay Pilipina nga nation ni exsit na ang gobyerno sa Mindanao under islamic rule. Mao sir, kapwa Indo-malay race ra pod ang gi pa atake sa Mindanao.

yeah same tactic applied with tha aztecs.

[Malic]

effective tactic even in modern warfare...just like what the CIA operatives did in afganistan during the soviet conflict....the green berets in vietnam, a reference to one of their primary missions, training and advising foreign indigenous forces.hehehe

correct,hmm for you sir, for thinking properly,hehe. But i ask for your apology if i cant give further comment kay basin ma surveilance nya ko,hehe.

[Malic]

NOTE: all post concerning islam,post it in "Second look on Islam" thread.

[tribu]

All you have to do is read the entire bible. The christian old testament book is full of it. Killing even the innocent babies and ripping the womb of pregnant women. Read Psalms they even praise such act.

FYI, you are quoting the so called violent verses out of its context. With all honesty you havent even read the entire context and its background story. You are repeating a misrepresentation, youre taking it at face value,for your own sake read the whole thing.

LOLz,you are encouraging everyone to read the quran and the hadith? LOLZ, when you yourself obviously havent read it. you just read it from online and you think you already know ISLAM,LOLZ, google and finding a real answer from people who knows what the quran says is two different thing.


The new testament abrogates the old testament?wow,very convenient. What about Jesus' Violent reactions inside the temple? lols,he was showing his temper,remember this is the same God in the old testament,who massacre a lot of people. Remember what Jesus said sir "I did not come here to bring peace but divisions" tsk tsk.

from the book matthew

10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
10:35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
10:36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
10:37 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.

WHAT WAS IT AGAIN? a man's foe shall be they of his own household,tsk tsk... Jesus didnt came to bring peace but a SWORD.

it is true that jesus brought sword upon his adherents because he knew they would be persecuted and killed in his name. while muhamad and his allah was different because muhamad and his allah commanded the muslim to bear the sword and kill people who do not submit to the will of muhamad and his alter ego allah.

Christians were being prepared to die for their persecution and non-violent actions while muhamad and his allah was telling muslims to kill people. that's the big difference.

the christians were being taught to die for their faith in the hands of swordsmen because of their peaceful preaching of love, while the muslims were being taught to carry swords for allah and slay anyone who oppose them.

though redundant, i have to repeat those phrases so it would be clear to all that there's a bog difference between christianity and islam.

5:29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

5:30 And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

ouch,what a violent solution. abrogation? i dont think so.


Sir as ive already said those alleged verses that suggest violence,you need to put it in the proper context and consider the background story and the culture of that time.

and where did you get those verses? what do christians call those books? isn't it (the OLD testament?)

the abrogation of that verse can be found in the new testament of the christian bible.

oh no sir mary was even believe to be 10-14 yrs old and joseph was 90. Yeah jospeh never had *** with her but God allowed Mary to have a child at that young age. So the question is was God a pedophile?

maybe you are ignorant of old jewish laws sir. IT even allows a 3 yr old to be married and have sexual intercourse.


Numbers 31:17-18 "Now kill all the boys [innocent kids]. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man."

In the Torah (In the Book of Numbers in the Bible), after the conquest of Midian and Moab, and the great venereal plague, Moses (peace be on him) ordered that all the women "who have known a man" be killed but that "all the young girls, who have not known a man by lying with him" be kept alive for the Israelites.

Since the only females left fit for marriage and wholesome relations were prepubescent virgins, a Jewish law concerning child marriage was enacted. That law is found in the Babylonian Talmud:

"Rabbi Joseph said, 'Come and hear. A maiden aged 3 years and a day may be acquired in marriage by coition.'

Mishnah: A girl of the age of 3 years and a day may be betrothed, subject to her father's approval, by sexual intercourse.

Gemara: Our Rabbis taught: 'A girl of the age of 3 years may be betrothed by sexual intercourse.' "


by the way the christian bible has no verse that says that you should not marry a 3 yr old child. In fact there is no fix AGE written in the bible.


Jews are allowed to marry girls as young as 3 yrs old. New testament has no law against it.


When Asiha was given to The Prophet,there was a consent by both parents. So there was no violation of any law because in fact there was no law that goes against it,even the Roman empire and the Jewish community were doing it too. No law no Violation no crime. In other words sir,that kind of practice is allowed in anceint time. God allowed sisters and brothers according to christian doctrines to have ***,and God surely allowed early marriage during that time.

The fact sir is that you are not getting all the facts. I suggest that you look for the complete Idiot's guide to understanding islam.

oh you now want to cite the jewish talmud? good! i was to say that to you that that's exactly why i don't believe in those middle eastern religion because of the violence though christianity was already good because at least christianity already abrogated the old violent jewish law.

and talking about mary, i don't think mary is virgin, nor do i believe that mary's jesus is from god. i even think jesus is an illegitimate child and joseph was only there to save mary from being punished by the violent jewish law.

in fact, if i am to use psychology to examine the two personnage, jesus and muhamad.

i know why jesus founded a new religion whose foundation was tolerance and love. it was because he knew that as an illegitimate child he and his mother could have died at the hands of the religious authorities. and i believe he knew he was illegitimate that is why at the start of his ministry he kept telling people he is the "son of god".

while muhamad had to save his dignity by telling all women that they are dumb and must cover themselves because he was just an employee and one of the many husbands of khadija who was more powerful and wealthier than him. that is why at the death of khadija he had to save his honor by using an alter ego called allah to enthrone himself as the man who is an authority.