Philippine Airforce - One of the weakest in the world

[rodsky]

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If there's a nail to the coffin of the AC-130 Spectre, it's this...

"The cost of one round/shell of 105-mm howitzer is P30,000.00"

"In his presentation before the 4th Mindanao Media Summit in Davao City on August 8, Esperon told reporters that in the “all-out war” waged by then president Joseph Estrada in 2000, “it was estimated that an average of 20 million pesos a day or a total of 1.133 billion pesos were eaten up during the whole period of the drive.”

Again, no matter what you guys will recommend, we'll all go back to the issue of money and our ailing economy.

-RODION

[moz_k2]

Why use helicopters when attacking rebel camps.. Why buy Apache or Mil 24 Hind, they dont have the firepower that can destroy fortified targets, let the air force have the AC-130 Gunship, has an armament ranging from 20 mm Gatling guns to 105 mm howitzers. Tan awun nato di mahurot and rebelde ani sa usa ka agi..

These heavily-armed aircraft incorporate side-firing weapons integrated with sophisticated sensors, navigation and fire control systems to provide precision firepower or area-saturation fire with its varied armament. The AC-130 can spend long periods flying over their target area at night and in adverse weather. The sensor suite consists of a television sensor, infrared sensor, and radar. These sensors allow the gunship to visually or electronically identify friendly ground forces and targets in most weather conditions.




AC-130U "Spooky" Gunship

* 1× 25 mm (0.984 in) 5-Barrel GAU-12/U Equalizer gatling gun
* 1× 40 mm L60 Bofors cannon
* 1× 105 mm (4.13 in) M102 howitzer

This the one featured in Transformers movie.
Mao ang last plane nga nitira ni Scorponok kay wla kaau madamage sa 2 kay A-10 Thunderbolts
ang gatling gun ra jud ang wla matira ato nga attack

in action in transformers


And this plane also appeared in Call of Duty 4.
That mission where you gunned down enemies from the skies

[omad]

why don't you all post corresponding price tags for all those items you've been throwing around on this thread. convert it to pesos if you could. include everything from the weapons, fuel costs, training, maintenance and the like, say, for the next 10-20 years.

everybody seems so excited with all their suggestions they've forgotten about the main purpose of this thread:

"solving the insurgency issues of the country"


is spending X Billions of Dollars = solution of getting rid of rebels??

do you think that's the number 1 priority of the Philippines RIGHT NOW??

is that the best way to spend hard-earned money RIGHT NOW??


before we get carried away with all these nice toys, let's figure out first if the Filipino people really need this RIGHT NOW.... tell me...

[BoyMonsteR]

If there's a nail to the coffin of the AC-130 Spectre, it's this...

"The cost of one round/shell of 105-mm howitzer is P30,000.00"

"In his presentation before the 4th Mindanao Media Summit in Davao City on August 8, Esperon told reporters that in the “all-out war” waged by then president Joseph Estrada in 2000, “it was estimated that an average of 20 million pesos a day or a total of 1.133 billion pesos were eaten up during the whole period of the drive.”

Again, no matter what you guys will recommend, we'll all go back to the issue of money and our ailing economy.

-RODION

I agree, hehe.. We can afford the 105-mm shell, but for sure we cant afford the AC-130 Spectre..

OT: Share lang ko, tag 30k diay usa ka shell sa 105, maypa nangawat ko ug usa, hehe.. kay during the all out war, 3 of the 105-mm howitzer was positioned in our town, and i was there helping the cafgu to get 105-mm shells from a woden box, that day the howitzer fire around 20 rounds to MILF rebels located somewhere in maguindanao, after the barrage we heard the MILF running for retreat but sadly no MILF was hit.. So worth 600k na diay ang gisayang, hehe..

[flanker]

Why use helicopters when attacking rebel camps.. Why buy Apache or Mil 24 Hind, they dont have the firepower that can destroy fortified targets, let the air force have the AC-130 Gunship, has an armament ranging from 20 mm Gatling guns to 105 mm howitzers. Tan awun nato di mahurot and rebelde ani sa usa ka agi..

These heavily-armed aircraft incorporate side-firing weapons integrated with sophisticated sensors, navigation and fire control systems to provide precision firepower or area-saturation fire with its varied armament. The AC-130 can spend long periods flying over their target area at night and in adverse weather. The sensor suite consists of a television sensor, infrared sensor, and radar. These sensors allow the gunship to visually or electronically identify friendly ground forces and targets in most weather conditions.




AC-130U "Spooky" Gunship

* 1× 25 mm (0.984 in) 5-Barrel GAU-12/U Equalizer gatling gun
* 1× 40 mm L60 Bofors cannon
* 1× 105 mm (4.13 in) M102 howitzer

Nice sad ni nga CAS.. pang heavyweight.

The reason I prefer Hind coz maka transport ug troops, with heavy fire power and affordable ra.

[BoyMonsteR]

everybody seems so excited with all their suggestions they've forgotten about the main purpose of this thread:

"solving the insurgency issues of the country"

i thought we are talking about Philippine Airforce - One of the weakest in the world. I guess we have another thread for solving the insurgency issues of the country. Or make another thread for let's figure out first if the Filipino people really need this RIGHT NOW..

We are talking about Philippine Airforce - One of the weakest in the world, then we are suggestion and talking kung what is the best equipment na pwede unta magamit sa ato air force, na kung pwede unta mapalit sa goverment, na kung naa lang unta ta kwarta, para unta di nata ma weakest na airforce.

[rodsky]

i thought we are talking about Philippine Airforce - One of the weakest in the world. I guess we have another thread for solving the insurgency issues of the country.

+1 hehehe

-RODION

[cottonmouth]

Now we get to the economics of war.

Whether you like it or not in the real world it means big bucks. To solve this problem we should start developing our indigenous war machines.

Necessity encourages ingenuity. Naa naman ta know-how paghimo ug barko so pwede nata makigpartner sa mga allied countries para modevelop sa ato kaugalingon Amphibious ships. Ato i-localize ang pag himo sa mga bala, kabalo gani ang Pakistan (made in Pakistan atong mga 105mm's) kita pa nya. Kanang eroplano...paulahi lang na kay morag mokaon pa tag sinakong bugas. Mantinil lang sa ta ug donated by.

[omad]

i thought we are talking about Philippine Airforce - One of the weakest in the world. I guess we have another thread for solving the insurgency issues of the country. Or make another thread for let's figure out first if the Filipino people really need this RIGHT NOW..

We are talking about Philippine Airforce - One of the weakest in the world, then we are suggestion and talking kung what is the best equipment na pwede unta magamit sa ato air force, na kung pwede unta mapalit sa goverment, na kung naa lang unta ta kwarta, para unta di nata ma weakest na airforce.

again, it also helps if we read the first post explaining the title of the thread..... what's the TS purpose of upgrading the Philippine Airforce.... and ultimately, do we have enough money to sustain it... that's the point.

I was wondering why we cant afford to buy modern jets and helicopter gunships when we are have treat from the separatist in the south and NPA rebels..

Pinoy pilots were not killed on combat but due to crashes from donated aircraft.

Other poor countries such as in Vietnam, Bangladesh & some countries has better aircraft than our PAF.

Im just confuse.. lolz..

[rodsky]

Simple math/physics.

Newton's Third Law of Motion. "To every action there is an equal and opposite reaction." You will go through the floor if the floor isn't exerting an equal force upon your body weight upwards. If your weight is great and the floor cannot support you, it will be "defeated" and you'll go falling through the floor.

In waging a war, you have two opposing forces. If one force is stronger than the other, then the opposing weaker force is defeated. Kinda like Newton's Third Law eh?

Now think...

“it was estimated that an average of 20 million pesos a day or a total of 1.133 billion pesos were eaten up during the whole period of the drive.”

And still, the MILF was not defeated. Ergo, it seems that Newton's "Third Law" is in effect here...but wait...

If our government/military spent a total of 1.133 billion pesos for the campaign, and they couldn't "push the wall", does this mean that the rebels/enemies of the state ALSO spent 1.133 billion pesos for the effort? And if they didn't, following Newton's Third Law (I know, crappy analogy again, but it still somehow works), how come they weren't defeated?

Makes you ponder a lot eh?




Where did all that money go? Why did the rebels, who spent a teensy-weensy fraction of the amount spent by the government, still around?

-RODION