Dapat iconsider kung unsa ang needs sa country. IMHO what the country needs para sa atong airforce kay ang airlifting capability ug COunterINsurgency capability. Para airlift ang angay nato for fixed-wing C-130, Il-76. For helicopters UH-1N, Mi-17, UH-60, EH-101, NH-90. Para pud sa COIN aircraft, Su-25 ra jud ang mo fit sa profile ug for helos ang gilista above kay pwede ra himoon gunship. Ang Mi-17 kay pwede taoran ug rocket pods para mas effective sa CAS role. Actually dile mana ang OV-10 ang tora-tora but the T-28 Trojan. Ang OV-10 is perfect for COIN para sa atong setting as slow moving CAS aircraft with long loiter capability. Ang naka-apan lang sa OV-10 kay ang airframe ana karaan na kaayo so Su-25 ra jud atong choice which is not bad. Problema ana kay ang mga fighterjocks sa airforce gusto man pud ug fighter jet maung mangita na sila ug "multirole" jets like, F-16, F/A-18, Jas-39 Grippen, EF-2000, MiG-29M, Su-35, rafale, F-35, J-10. These so-called multi-role jets can't perform CAS as effectively as dedicated CAS aircraft such as OV-10, A-10, Su-25. Mau btaw na daghan friendly fire ug collateral damage sa Irag ug Afganistan tungod sa fast movers. Ni arang arang na lang na kay gamit ug precision munitions. Maybe ok ra palit ta ug up to 12 multi-role jets pero mas dapat nato i beef up ang airlift nga fixed wing ug helicopters. Ang helicopters gamit jud kaayo sa SAR ug crisis response nga permi mahitabo sa ato.
Now ang usa ka factor ana kay ang aid nag gikan sa US ug para ra pud ipalit ug US equipment maung limited kaayo atong kapilian. Kung di pa lang ingon ana, effective jud unta kaayo ang Mi-17 as airlift/gunship helicopter then Su-25 para CAS. C-130 for medium lifting ug Il-76 para heavy lift. For fast mover kay F-16, F-18, Su-35, MiG-29M.
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11-03-2008, 01:27 PM #21Junior Member
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11-03-2008, 01:45 PM #22C.I.A.
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Nice post... Su 25 rajud ang fit sa ato. But I prefer Mi-24 over Mi-17 because heavy gunship na cya at the same time it can carry troops.
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Affordable rajud ani nga aircraft. Mahal pa ang fertilizer scam ni Jokjok ug ang ZTE deal ni Abalos.. lmao
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11-03-2008, 01:51 PM #23C.I.A.
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Bro as long we purchase 3rd generation aircraft it can serve our country for 20 years or longer. Originally Posted by grovestreet
Upgradable na ilang avionics.. dli na ma obsolete.
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11-03-2008, 02:09 PM #24C.I.A.
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Philippine Air Force.. all AIR no FORCE
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11-03-2008, 02:20 PM #25
More often than not...
Military power = economic power.
I agree that there are exceptions to the rule, but in most cases, this is true.
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11-03-2008, 03:06 PM #26Junior Member
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If you think strategically, we dont need much air-superiority to control internal conflicts - wc is a common problem nowadays rather than external threats since we are such good neighbors (diplomacy - the least costly option in many external problems - ugh!)...... sadly with further diplomacy we can gain more surplus airplanes.....
with 7100 islands, I believe we need more ships! more efficient and fast ships to try and cut off most logistical needs of internal threats.... now that is another story......
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11-03-2008, 03:52 PM #27C.I.A.
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Yes correct we don't need air superiority aircraft because we need a "close air support" type of aircraft to back up the troops on the ground. Originally Posted by BoMBriones
If you think strategically, we dont need much air-superiority to control internal conflicts - wc is a common problem nowadays rather than external threats since we are such good neighbors (diplomacy - the least costly option in many external problems - ugh!)...... sadly with further diplomacy we can gain more surplus airplanes.....
with 7100 islands, I believe we need more ships! more efficient and fast ships to try and cut off most logistical needs of internal threats.... now that is another story......
There are many types of aircraft - Multirole, Air Superiorty, Close Air Support, Bomber, Strike Fighter & Interceptor..Last edited by flanker; 11-03-2008 at 03:57 PM.
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11-03-2008, 04:00 PM #28Junior Member
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While we are talking about Airplanes...
Philippine Air Force cuts flying time due to fuel prices
« on: October 26, 2008, 07:46:11 PM »
Philippine Air Force cuts flying time due to fuel prices
Reuters | 10/22/2008 6:13 PM
Philippine Air Force cuts flying time due to fuel prices | ABS-CBN News Online Beta
High fuel prices and an escalation of violence on a southern island has forced the Philippines' tiny air force to cut back on maritime patrols over its vast borders, according to a military report seen by Reuters on Wednesday.
The Philippines has about half a dozen Italian-made S-211 trainer jets on regular patrol over the country's maritime borders, including the oil and gas-rich region near the western island of Palawan.
The rest of its fleet -- helicopters and OV-10 Broncos -- are not suitable for the job. It also has one C-130 Hercules transporter in flying condition.
Soaring prices of fuel in the first half of 2008 cut the military's petroleum, oil and lubricants supply by about 18 percent, "grossly" affecting its air defense and maritime surveillance and disaster response operations, the document said.
The S-211 aircraft were expected to fly fewer air defense and maritime surveillance missions in the second half of the year due to fighting with Muslim rebels on the troubled southern island of Mindanao, a senior defense official told Reuters.
He said the reduction of maritime surveillance operations may open the country's borders to activities that could hurt the economy, such as illegal fishing, smuggling and piracy.
Citing an Air Force accomplishment report, the senior defense official said the military would have to rely more on naval boats to patrol the country's borders and protect its exclusive economic zones from poachers and illegal entrants.
"Given the rise in fuel prices and limited supply, the air force is constrained to allocate resources to its core function of providing air support to ground operations," said the official, who declined to be named because he has no authority to speak to reporters.
"Surveillance missions and even disaster response would take a back seat until after the army terminates its offensive against the Moro Islamic Liberation Front on Mindanao."
He said some of the S-211 planes had been moved to Mindanao to provide more lethal firepower to Vietnam War-era UH-1H "Huey" helicopters and propeller-driven OV-10 Broncos.
Nearly 300 people have been killed in more than two months of fighting in four southern provinces between soldiers and renegade members of the MILF, the largest Muslim rebel group in the south of the mainly Roman Catholic state.
Four people were killed in the latest incident on Wednesday, An army spokesman said.
The violence has forced Manila to scrap peace talks with the rebels to end the conflict that has killed 120,000 people and stunted growth in a region believed to be rich in deposits of minerals, oil and natural gas.
New Airplanes
LOL We dont even have enough fuel......
It is really really sad...
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11-03-2008, 04:12 PM #29C.I.A.
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Bro it will cut the flying time on maritime patrols..not on the operations in Mindanao... Originally Posted by herzabarJR
While we are talking about Airplanes...
Philippine Air Force cuts flying time due to fuel prices
« on: October 26, 2008, 07:46:11 PM »
Philippine Air Force cuts flying time due to fuel prices
Reuters | 10/22/2008 6:13 PM
Philippine Air Force cuts flying time due to fuel prices | ABS-CBN News Online Beta
High fuel prices and an escalation of violence on a southern island has forced the Philippines' tiny air force to cut back on maritime patrols over its vast borders, according to a military report seen by Reuters on Wednesday.
The Philippines has about half a dozen Italian-made S-211 trainer jets on regular patrol over the country's maritime borders, including the oil and gas-rich region near the western island of Palawan.
The rest of its fleet -- helicopters and OV-10 Broncos -- are not suitable for the job. It also has one C-130 Hercules transporter in flying condition.
Soaring prices of fuel in the first half of 2008 cut the military's petroleum, oil and lubricants supply by about 18 percent, "grossly" affecting its air defense and maritime surveillance and disaster response operations, the document said.
The S-211 aircraft were expected to fly fewer air defense and maritime surveillance missions in the second half of the year due to fighting with Muslim rebels on the troubled southern island of Mindanao, a senior defense official told Reuters.
He said the reduction of maritime surveillance operations may open the country's borders to activities that could hurt the economy, such as illegal fishing, smuggling and piracy.
Citing an Air Force accomplishment report, the senior defense official said the military would have to rely more on naval boats to patrol the country's borders and protect its exclusive economic zones from poachers and illegal entrants.
"Given the rise in fuel prices and limited supply, the air force is constrained to allocate resources to its core function of providing air support to ground operations," said the official, who declined to be named because he has no authority to speak to reporters.
"Surveillance missions and even disaster response would take a back seat until after the army terminates its offensive against the Moro Islamic Liberation Front on Mindanao."
He said some of the S-211 planes had been moved to Mindanao to provide more lethal firepower to Vietnam War-era UH-1H "Huey" helicopters and propeller-driven OV-10 Broncos.
Nearly 300 people have been killed in more than two months of fighting in four southern provinces between soldiers and renegade members of the MILF, the largest Muslim rebel group in the south of the mainly Roman Catholic state.
Four people were killed in the latest incident on Wednesday, An army spokesman said.
The violence has forced Manila to scrap peace talks with the rebels to end the conflict that has killed 120,000 people and stunted growth in a region believed to be rich in deposits of minerals, oil and natural gas.
New Airplanes LOL We dont even have enough fuel......
It is really really sad...
Patrol missions are totally different from Strike missions.
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11-03-2008, 04:16 PM #30
who would want to invade our country? Our country is such a push over. tarantar gud ta dayun kung maka dungog "forenger" mu-anhi sa atoa. We are so desperately in need or investors that our government will stop at nothing to entertain and accommodate foreign investors para lng maka dawat tag-gamay nga infused capital or income.
Our country is so devoid of professionalism and so full of politcalism(yes, kana ra gyud ang naa nato). What this means is, under the guise of Professionalism, our duly elected government officials put on a show for the whole world to see, to make them seem more dignified, respectable, and statesman. But in reality, money talks and crap-a-roony walks.
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