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  1. #131

    Quote Originally Posted by Super Bisdak View Post
    Bro, maayong adlaw ug walay poy sapayan! Tuguti kos pagpadayon sa atong nabiyaan nga discussion.


    Tinood na bro, gikinahanglan gyud ang dugo. Ug kadaghanan nalang gyud siguro sa mga nga tawo mag-ingon nga pagka-brutal ba usab sa Ginoo kay sa kadaghan unta nga pwede gamiton ang dugo man gyud ang gipili. Aron atong masabtan kini atong tan-awon kung unsay hinongdan nganung gi-ula sa Ginoo ang dugo sa Iyang anak. Kung dili kita modawat sa gibuhat ni Jesus nga mao ang pagpadayag sa gugma Ginoo nan maglisud gayud kita ug pagsabot niini. Sa ako nang nalakbitan adtong ni-aging panahon gituyo kini sa Ginoo nga dugo ang gamiton aron maula ang dugo sa Iyang anak aron madayag ang Iyang gugma.

    Dili pod ta maka-ingon nga masgamhanan pa ang dugo. Ang dugo nahimo lamang kining usa ka washing agent alang sa kalapasan sa tawo. Labing gamhanan gayud ang, Ginoo, naghimo sa tanang butang ug lakip na niana ang dugo.



    Walay pagkahimoot ang Diyos niadtong mga halad nga nahisgutan sa daang tugon,

    Hebrews 10:6-10 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure. Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God. Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law; Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

    Mangutana siguro kamo, "kung mao diay na unsay may kapuslanan niadtong mga paghalad kaniadto?". Gipabuhat kini sa Diyos aron mapalig-on sa ang paghalad sa iyang anak.

    Dinhi atong masuta nga dili "blood-thirsty" ang Ginoo sumala sa imong nahibaloan. Kay kung tinood pa unta nga "blood-thirsty" ang Ginoo, hangtud pa unta niining adlawa o sa katapusan sa kapanahonan Iya unta ipahimo ang paghalad sa dugo. Apan atong masabtan, Iya kining gilaraw aron madayag ang Iyang gugma nganhi kanato.



    Hehe.. mao ba bro? Ako maproblemahan gyud ko kung mao na imong pagtoo bahin sa Ginoo bro. Dili man sa manginlabot lugar ko nimo bro ha. Ako lang nga mapadayag lang nako ang Ginoo nga maoy naghatag ug kausaban sa akong kinabuhi.


    Ang ako lang ika-ingon bahin niini, ang Ginoo ang tinugdan sa tanang mga butang bisan pa ang kaalam.

    1Samuel 2:3 Talk no more so exceeding proudly; let not arrogance come out of your mouth: for the LORD is a God of knowledge, and by him actions are weighed.
    Proverbs 2:6 For the LORD giveth wisdom: out of his mouth cometh knowledge and understanding.

    Sa wala pa misantop sa huna-huna sa tawo ang usa ka butang, dayag na kining tanan sa Ginoo. Akong punto mao ni, dili kita maka-ingon nga kini nga konsepto gi-awat sa Ginoo diha sa mga pagano.

    Aron mailhan nato ang Ginoo kinahanglan motan-aw kita kang Jesus. Ug mahimo lamang kini sa usa ka tawo kung adunay pagpa-ubos sa iyang kaugalingon.

    Ang Ginoo magpanalangin kanatong tanan!

    Sir, wala man nimo makuha ang akong ponto.

    imo naman hinoon kung gi walihan,hehe.

  2. #132
    Quote Originally Posted by FISHPEN View Post
    You would love reading this

    An Atheist Professor of Philosophy speaks to his Class on the Problem Science has with GOD, The ALMIGHTY.

    He asks one of his New Christian Students to stand and . . ...


    Professor : You are a Christian, aren't you, son ?
    Student : Yes, sir.
    Professor : So you Believe in GOD ?
    Student : Absolutely, sir.
    Professor : Is GOD Good ?
    Student : Sure.
    Professor : Is GOD ALL - POWERFUL ?
    Student : Yes.
    Professor : My Brother died of Cancer even though he Prayed to GOD to Heal him..

    Most of us would attempt to Help Others who are ill.

    But GOD didn't.

    How is this GOD Good then ? Hmm ?


    ( Student is silent )



    Professor : You can't answer, can you ?

    Let's start again, Young Fella.

    Is GOD Good ?
    Student : Yes.
    Professor : Is Satan good ?
    Student : No.
    Professor : Where does Satan come from ?
    Student : From . .. . GOD . . .
    Professor : That's right.

    Tell me son, is there evil in this World ?
    Student : Yes.
    Professor : Evil is everywhere, isn't it ?

    And GOD did make Everything. Correct ?
    Student : Yes.
    Professor : So who created evil ?


    ( Student does not answer )


    Professor : Is there Sickness ? Immorality ? Hatred ? Ugliness ?

    All these terrible things exist in the World, don't they ?
    Student : Yes, sir.
    Professor : So, who Created them ?



    ( Student has no answer )



    Professor : Science says you have 5 Senses you use to Identify and Observe the World around you.

    Tell me, son . . . Have you ever Seen GOD ?
    Student : No, sir.
    Professor : Tell us if you have ever Heard your GOD ?
    Student : No , sir.
    Professor : Have you ever Felt your GOD, Tasted your GOD, Smelt your GOD ?

    Have you ever had any Sensory Perception of GOD for that matter ?
    Student : No, sir.. I'm afraid I haven't.
    Professor : Yet you still Believe in HIM ?

    Student : Yes.
    Professor : According to Empirical, Testable, Demonstrable Protocol, Science says your GOD doesn't exist.

    What do you say to that, son ?
    Student : Nothing. I only have my Faith.
    Professor : Yes. Faith. And that is the Problem Science has.
    Student : Professor, is there such a thing as Heat ?
    Professor : Yes.
    Student : And is there such a thing as Cold ?
    Professor : Yes.
    Student : No sir. There isn't.


    ( The Lecture Theatre becomes very quiet with this turn of events )


    Student : Sir, you can have Lots of Heat, even More Heat, Superheat, Mega Heat, White Heat,

    a Little Heat or No Heat.

    But we don't have anything called Cold.

    We can hit 458 Degrees below Zero which is No Heat, but we can't go any further after that.

    There is no such thing as Cold.

    Cold is only a Word we use to describe the Absence of Heat.

    We cannot Measure Cold.

    Heat is Energy.

    Cold is Not the Opposite of Heat, sir, just the Absence of it.


    ( There is Pin - Drop Silence in the Lecture Theatre )



    Student : What about Darkness, Professor ? Is there such a thing as Darkness ?
    Professor : Yes. What is Night if there isn't Darkness ?
    Student : You're wrong again, sir.

    Darkness is the Absence of Something.

    You can have Low Light, Normal Light , Bright Light, Flashing Light . . ..

    But if you have No Light Constantly, you have Nothing and it's called Darkness, isn't it ?

    In reality, Darkness isn't.

    If it is, were you would be able to make Darkness Darker, wouldn't you ?
    Professor : So what is the point you are making, Young Man ?
    Student : Sir, my point is your Philosophical Premise is Flawed.
    Professor : Flawed ? Can you explain how ?
    Student : Sir, you are working on the Premise of Duality.

    You argue there is Life and then there is Death, a Good GOD and a Bad GOD.

    You are viewing the Concept of GOD as something finite, something we can measure.

    Sir, Science can't even explain a Thought.

    It uses Electricity and Magnetism, but has never seen, much less fully understood either one.

    To view Death as the Opposite of Life is to be ignorant of the fact that

    Death cannot exist as a Substantive Thing.

    Death is Not the Opposite of Life : just the Absence of it.

    Now tell me, Professor, do you Teach your Students that they Evolved from a Monkey ?
    Professor : If you are referring to the Natural Evolutionary Process, yes, of course, I do.
    Student : Have you ever observed Evolution with your own eyes, sir ?


    ( The Professor shakes his head with a Smile, beginning to realize where the Argument is going )


    Student : Since no one has ever observed the Process of Evolution at work and

    cannot even prove that this Process is an On - Going Endeavor,

    are you not Teaching your Opinion, sir ?

    Are you not a Scientist but a Preacher ?


    ( The Class is in Uproar )


    Student : Is there anyone in the Class who has ever Seen the Professor's Brain ?


    ( The Class breaks out into Laughter )


    Student : Is there anyone here who has ever Heard the Professor's Brain, Felt it, Touched or Smelt it ? . .. ..

    No one appears to have done so.

    So, according to the Established Rules of Empirical, Stable, Demonstrable Protocol, Science says that

    you have No Brain, sir.

    With all due respect, sir, how do we then Trust your Lectures, sir ?


    ( The Room is Silent. The Professor stares at the Student, his face unfathomable )


    Professor : I guess you'll have to take them on Faith, son.
    Student : That is it sir . . .

    the Link between Man & GOD is FAITH.

    That is all that Keeps Things Moving & Alive.

    Im a theist but i rather not use this kind of analogy because it has a big hole right in it.

    Tho you cant see your brain but we know that we have a brain because we see dead people's brain during science class.

    Compare this to God, we cant provide a visual on who this God is.

    So believing in God is pure faith whereas believing in a brain is scientific.

  3. #133
    In connection to my previous proposition that Shedding of Blood is a concept borrowed by christianity from pagansim, Here again is a concept borrowed from pagansim,Christmas.

  4. #134
    aww.. haha.. sorry kung wala nako natuhog imong punto, nagwali naman hinoon diay ko, hehe.. bitaw bro, padayon lang tas mga pag-ampo ani.

    Ang Ginoo magpanalangin kanato!

  5. #135
    Quote Originally Posted by Reason2believe View Post
    In connection to my previous proposition that Shedding of Blood is a concept borrowed by christianity from pagansim, Here again is a concept borrowed from pagansim,Christmas.
    Yes, kung atong tan-awon sa pagtulun-an sa mga Apostles wala ni siya gitudlo.

    Paghimo ug lahi nga thread bro aron didto ni madiscuss.

  6. #136
    Quote Originally Posted by Reason2believe View Post
    Im a theist but i rather not use this kind of analogy because it has a big hole right in it.

    Tho you cant see your brain but we know that we have a brain because we see dead people's brain during science class.

    Compare this to God, we cant provide a visual on who this God is.

    So believing in God is pure faith whereas believing in a brain is scientific.
    Mao. Stock knowledge DOES NOT EQUAL faith. We have PROVEN that a human being biologically has a brain the other is still a never ending debate. It's funny how certain people run to this "fictional account" and use people like Einstein or Rizal as the person who said it (the former all the more BS since Einstein dropped out of school).

    As we have discussed in the evolution thread evolution explains some things but not FULLY it is considered blind to just rely on just one angle of existence.
    Last edited by tokidoki; 10-27-2008 at 11:36 AM.

  7. #137
    Don't worry Reason2believe. I will pray for you.

  8. #138
    Quote Originally Posted by FISHPEN View Post
    Don't worry Reason2believe. I will pray for you.
    kana bro.. mag-inampuay gyud kay ang panahon hadool na!

    Ang Ginoo magpanalangin!

  9. #139
    mga bro and sis ... read Mark 7: 24-30 The faith of the Syrophoenician woman. The lesson here is about Salvation.

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