God is not Everywhere

[Ironside]

The word ‘omnipresent’ is never found in the original languages used to write the word of God in the Bible. Although it is possible that later translations which were translated according to the religious inclination of the translator may have it. We are lucky to have manuscripts of the scriptures dating as far back as the 1st and 2nd century of the Christian era (See image below). The advent of the computer age made it easier to search the entire Bible in just a click of a keypad.




Nobody can ever (in this age) understand the whole being of God.

(Isaiah 55:8-9) “For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.”

As the heaven is unfathomable, God’s thinking and ways are like the unfathomable heavens by earthlings.

We are not allowed by any authority in the Bible to ascribe anything to God, whether it seems like adding honor and glory to Him! Why? God does not change. He is infinitely the same from everlasting to everlasting.

(James 1:17) “Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.”

The teachings of the deceived Mormon’s that God is a person just like us in the beginning; and only attained exaltation is biblically false.




We can not add to His glory by our belief; nor diminish it by our unbelief.

(Romans 3:3-4) “For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect? God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.”

God is limited to being true and faithful, He cannot lie! Im not putting limit unto Him, His words say so. It is impossible for Him to lie!

(Titus 1:2) “In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began…”

(Hebrews 6:18 ) “That by two immutable things, in which it was impossible for God to lie, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us…”

We know that God is a spirit because our teacher from heaven said so.

(John 4:24) “God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.”

He is love because it was written.

(1 John 4:16, 8 ) “And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him…”

“…He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.”

He is a consuming fire.

(Hebrews 12:29) “For our God is a consuming fire.”

He is compassionate and ever loving.

(Psalms 103:14) “For he knoweth our frame; he remembereth that we are dust.”

He is good.

(Psalms 100:3-5) “Know ye that the LORD he is God: it is he that hath made us, and not we ourselves; we are his people, and the sheep of his pasture. Enter into his gates with thanksgiving, and into his courts with praise: be thankful unto him, and bless his name. For the LORD is good; his mercy is everlasting; and his truth endureth to all generations.”

He sits in yonder heavens and Jesus, our Lord, sits at the right hand of His majesty.

(Colossians 3:1) “If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.”

(Hebrews 8:1) “Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such a high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens…”

One strict prohibition of the Bible is for us to accept the word of God as it is. Nothing must be added or taken away.

(Revelation 22:18-19) “For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.”

(Jeremiah 26:2) “Thus saith the LORD; Stand in the court of the LORD’s house, and speak unto all the cities of Judah, which come to worship in the LORD’s house, all the words that I command thee to speak unto them; diminish not a word:”

(Proverbs 30:5-6) “Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him. Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.”

The Bible says that the eyes of God are everywhere.

(Proverbs 15:3) “The eyes of the LORD are in every place, beholding the evil and the good.”

If God is everywhere, as other religions claim, the Bible should not have said that the eyes of the Lord are in every place. It will contradict the law of logic. Does it mean that the eyes of God, His very eyes, are everywhere? Of course, not! His eyes are in His being; but can see even beyond the material universe we know.

God is in heaven, according to the prayer taught by our Lord Jesus Christ to the disciples.

(Matthew 6:9-13) “Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread. And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, forever. Amen.”

God is not in a place where there are evil strife and envy.

(James 3:16, 15) “For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work.”

“This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish.”

He is not where confusion dwells.

(1 Corinthians 14:33) “For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.”

It is an insult to God for anybody to say that He is everywhere. The disrespectful are trying to drag God to every place they want Him to be: In the casinos? The prostitution dens? In the place of demons? God forbids! This is the teaching of the misled, the blinded, and the wicked.

(Acts 17:24) “God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands…”

He even left His chosen nation, Israel, when they turned to be wicked.

(2 Chronicles 15:3) “Now for a long season Israel hath been without the true God, and without a teaching priest, and without law.”

But when they where following His statutes and judgments, God was with them, and not in any nation on earth.

(2 Kings 5:15) “And he returned to the man of God, he and all his company, and came, and stood before him: and he said, Behold, now I know that there is no God in all the earth, but in Israel: now therefore, I pray thee, take a blessing of thy servant.”

To my readers, are you one of those who are trying to discredit God by ascribing to Him false qualities that He does not ascribe to Himself? God forbids!

(Job 13:7) “Will ye speak wickedly for God? and talk deceitfully for him?”

My God — the Almighty God — is not in a heart that deceives people like other religious leaders. Praise be unto Him, forever and ever. Amen!


God Bless.

God is Not Everywhere Eliseo Soriano

1) The words "substitutionary death of Christ" are not in the Bible literatim and yet it is nonetheless true and biblical. For Christ did indeed die FOR our sins. Word for word it ["substitutionary death of Christ"] is not there [Bible] but the idea is.

"Ironside" is not found in the Bible but Ironside was in the mind of God when He said through Paul that He desires all men to be saved.


[Soriano claims that he is the poor wise man of Ecclesiastes 9:15......but we can never read the words "Eliseo Soriano" there. Does this then prove that he is teaching something unbiblical?

Based on Genesis 1:27, Soriano teaches that God has a "puwet"...but nowhere can we read of anything like that in the Bible about God].







2) Ps 139:7 Where can I go from Your Spirit? Or WHERE CAN I FLEE FROM YOUR PRESENCE?


8 If I ascend into heaven, You are there; If I make my bed in HELL, behold, You are there.




Ac 17:28 For in Him we live and move and have our being, as also certain of your own poets have said, For we are also His offspring.



There is no place so high [such as heaven] nor a place so deep [such as Sheol] that God is not there. Look up [Ps 139:7], look down [Ps 139:8], look around [Ac 17:28] He is there.





God is specially present in heaven but is ubiquitously present everywhere. God's presence has aspects: SPECIAL PRESENCE [in heaven] and OMNIPRESENCE ['.......Do "I" not fill heaven and earth?" says the LORD."]


The "I" above refers to the person of God Himself--100% of Him. "I"---not 50% of Him. "I"---not 70% of Him but "I" His blessed person fills heaven and earth.



God's presence in hell is not the same as His presence in heaven. In Hell, His presence is expressed by the just wrath experienced and felt by all who are there. While in heaven, His presence is expressed by the inexpressible joy and bliss that are experienced by those who are there. "If I ascend into heaven, You are there; If I make my bed in HELL, behold, You are there." Ps 139:8





3) Other Scriptures:


Ac 17:27 "so that they should seek the Lord, in the hope that they might grope for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us;



Jer 23:24 Can anyone hide himself in secret places, So I shall not see him?" says the LORD; "Do I not fill heaven and earth?" says the LORD.


[No one can hide from His presence if that is the case]





“But will God indeed dwell on the earth? Behold, heaven and the highest heaven cannot contain Thee, how much less this house which I have built!” 1 Kings 8:27



The key word up there is the word "contain". God cannot be limited or restricted to one place. He cannot be restricted to dwell here on the earth nor can He be limited to dwell in the heaven of heavens. How much less a temple made with hands.



Ac 17:24 "God, who made the world and everything in it, since He is Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples made with hands.


In the New Testament era after His resurrection and ascention to heaven, the temple of God right now here on earth is the Church [believers in the Lord Jesus Christ] and not a building. During Israel's wildnerness wanderings, God dwelt [though not limited and restricted to and in it] in the sanctuary:



Ex 25:8 "And let them make Me a sanctuary, that I may dwell among them.







4) [Christ: in heaven, with believers, in believers and in the midst of believers]


Christ is physically present in heaven at the right hand of God but He is also spiritually present with, in believers and in the midst of believers.


Christ present at the right hand of God:


Heb 10:12 But this Man, after He had offered one sacrifice for sins forever, sat down at the right hand of God,



Christ present with believers:


Mt 28:20 "teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age." Amen.



Christ present in believers:


Col 1:27 To them God willed to make known what are the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles: which is Christ in you, the hope of glory.



Christ in the midst of believers:


Mt 18:20 "For where two or three are gathered together in My name, I am there in the midst of them."







5) Does God come and go? by Paul Mizzi


Biblical expressions such as "God coming to us" and "God departing from us," do not detract from the doctrine of His omnipresence.


God is said to hide His face from His people (Psalms 10:1); to be far from the wicked; and the Gentiles are said to be afar off from God (Proverbs 15:29; Ephesians 2:17).

Such expressions must not be understood of any distance or nearness of his essence, for that is equally near to all persons and objects, but of some other special way and manifestation of His presence.


Again it is said that "The Spirit of the Lord departed from Saul" (1 Samuel 16:14), by which is meant the Spirit of guidance and assistance. God may be far from us as regards the experience of His comfort, or near to us as far as his support is concerned. At all times, though, His essential presence continues the same.

"The Lord came down to see the city" (Genesis 11:5). The fact of God's omnipresence precludes taking such biblical depictions of God's ascending and descending and comings and goings literally. When such language is employed (Isaiah 64:1,2), it must be recognised for what it is - metaphorical language indicating or invoking a special manifestation of God's working either in grace or judgement.


When this hermeneutical principle is held to, I see no reason why such expressions (which are necessary and fit in order for the infinite God to communicate with worms such as we are) detract from His omnipresence.

[JX]

The Holy Bible is for the open-minded people only,..do not rely on your own capacity,own ability to understand,or so whatever,.Let Holy Spirit be with that,.so you can have enlightenment in your way,..I suggest that you pray,..try talk to Him,..

right.. as what mr webster defined..

open minded- adj. Having or showing receptiveness to new and different ideas or the opinions of others.

..it seems some Bible iskolars would never be able to achieve that..
.. as for the latter part.. right back at yah.. hehehe..

[grovestreet]

the only way to understand the bible is to directly ask all the authors what they were really trying to say. but unfortunately they're all dead. you can go back in time, tell the authors to cut the metaphorical crap and go straight to the point!

[tokidoki]

Hooooooooooy! If taas inyo gi quotan pwede ayaw nalang iquote?!

Anyway, it's funny how reading the bible is called "open-minded' while it is considered "evil" or "forbidden" to read something outside the bible. LOL

Hypocrisy. I love it. There's a lot of it in the "faithful". Always saying crap that would only benefit in their favor.

[munzter666]

Hooooooooooy! If taas inyo gi quotan pwede ayaw nalang iquote?!

Anyway, it's funny how reading the bible is called "open-minded' while it is considered "evil" or "forbidden" to read something outside the bible. LOL

Hypocrisy. I love it. There's a lot of it in the "faithful". Always saying crap that would only benefit in their favor.

hahaha
more tales from the crapper...

[Kenshiro]

exactly my sentiment.. until something something happens, Bible iskolars then try to connect to something something.. hehehe..
not until the weapons of mass destruction has been made, the so called revelations would not come out.. then it cant be called prophecy if we cant understand it really can it?
oh and by the way, its not the nuclear weapons that destroys the planet, its the people who use it.. this was supposed to be invented for the betterment of mankind, energy thats cheap and would not eat up the natural reserves of the planet..
Bible iskolars proclaim they read and understand the Bible.. and that their interpretation is the most correct interpretation..
by d wy, when would that time come? or it came already, since men existed? men has always had the capability to destroy the earth ever since civilization started..
oh and by the way, maybe you forgot to add the particular 24 leaders in the rev11:15-18, who might that be? does it say in the Bible? or we'll just have to wait until something happens to 24 leaders..?

Nuclear weapons are built for the betterment for mankind? Nuclear weapon was built initially as bomb and not nuclear power plant. And man have a really good track record for handling nuclear bomb like iran, north Korea and USSR(Chernobyl Incident). Russia keeps nuclear submarines and one single leak could cause the submarine to sink and would have devestating effects to the Environment.
Even Nucelar power plant is a great hazard for the environment. Used plotonium Rods would accumulate and even buried underground it would radiate the land. And the danger of meltdown is always a threat multiplied by terrorist attack. Nuclear would worsten the environment exponentially.

Clean power alternatives is very possible like wind mills, solar, geothermal and water. But given the globalization and centralization of energy that is Fossil Fuel it would just pacify these alternatives. So global environmental destruction is inevitable. Disregarding the rate of our planets degredation.

Rev 5:1-5
shows these elders are not world leaders but the counsels in heaven. They see God in heaven and Jesus in heaven so therefore they should be in heaven not on earth.

Heaven is not a figurative word as well but it is litetal.
John 14:2
It is said it has streets of Gold.
Revelation 21:21

God's dwelling place is in heaven.
Rev 11:19

As in the words of the greatest mind in the World Albert Einstein:
"God is subtle but he is not malicious"
My religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable superior spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able to perceive with our frail and feeble mind

hahaha
more tales from the crapper...

Indeed.
These people spend so much time in forums because they have nothing else to do.

[tokidoki]

oh? and as if you have better things to do? then why stay here then? LOL

again, ayaw pag yawit if kana inyong yawit mobalik ra sa inyo. when you speak make it absolute kai i can smell hypocrisy from light years away.

you know what's real crap? posting a lot of lines of useless junk that NO ONE will ever bother to read.

so why don't you fine handsome altar boys both check in to a motel and discuss your bible contradictions with mr-i-want-to-become-a-priest.

[munzter666]

Indeed.
These people spend so much time in forums because they have nothing else to do.

uhhhh, so....do you do this FULL-TIME?

As in the words of the greatest mind in the World Albert Einstein:
"God is subtle but he is not malicious"
My religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable superior spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able to perceive with our frail and feeble mind

too bad, Einstein wasnt referring to BIBLE god.
try Spinoza's

[JX]

Nuclear weapons are built for the betterment for mankind? Nuclear weapon was built initially as bomb and not nuclear power plant. And man have a really good track record for handling nuclear bomb like iran, north Korea and USSR(Chernobyl Incident). Russia keeps nuclear submarines and one single leak could cause the submarine to sink and would have devestating effects to the Environment.
Even Nucelar power plant is a great hazard for the environment. Used plotonium Rods would accumulate and even buried underground it would radiate the land. And the danger of meltdown is always a threat multiplied by terrorist attack. Nuclear would worsten the environment exponentially.

Clean power alternatives is very possible like wind mills, solar, geothermal and water. But given the globalization and centralization of energy that is Fossil Fuel it would just pacify these alternatives. So global environmental destruction is inevitable. Disregarding the rate of our planets degredation.

Rev 5:1-5
shows these elders are not world leaders but the counsels in heaven. They see God in heaven and Jesus in heaven so therefore they should be in heaven not on earth.

God's dwelling place is in heaven.
Rev 11:19

As in the words of the greatest mind in the World Albert Einstein:
"God is subtle but he is not malicious"
My religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable superior spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able to perceive with our frail and feeble mind


Indeed.
These people spend so much time in forums because they have nothing else to do.

when i stated "this was supposed to be invented" i meant nuclear fission, which the nuclear weapons were derived from.. of course when its made into a bomb, then definitely its for the purpose of the word itself..
and by the way, 2 types of nuclear fussion, natural and man-made.. natural nuke fussion is a natural phenomenon in stars.. man-made however has not been fully harnessed..
the amount of free energy in nuclear fuel is a million times the amount of free energy in gasoline..
regarding environmental hazard.. even a dry cell is hazardous to the environment if disposed properly, even gasoline is hazardous to the environment even if used properly..
as for statements regarding countries keeping nuclear weapons.. i believe that falls in "oh and by the way, its not the nuclear weapons that destroys the planet, its the people who use it.." and all the rest..

Heaven is not a figurative word as well but it is litetal.
John 14:2
It is said it has streets of Gold.
Revelation 21:21

gold is rare, on earth that is, therefore its price is high and regarded mostly for royalties and even a countries economic stability.. what makes you think it is rare in heaven?

As in the words of the greatest mind in the World Albert Einstein:
"God is subtle but he is not malicious"
My religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable superior spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able to perceive with our frail and feeble mind

im not sure how you understood those quotations, and i trust you understand they are not connected and they are not meant to be taken literally, specially the first part.. becs thats a different topic..

[tripwire]

the only way to understand the bible is to directly ask all the authors what they were really trying to say. but unfortunately they're all dead. you can go back in time, tell the authors to cut the metaphorical crap and go straight to the point!

Ouch! I feel like I'm hit with tons of bricks with this post. But really, that is so true. Why speak of riddles and metaphors while you can just say straight to the point so people will not get confused? I guess that's how they were, confused sab.