Salvation

[Super Bisdak]

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Bro, maayong adlaw ug walay poy sapayan! Tuguti kos pagpadayon sa atong nabiyaan nga discussion.

Sure sir puede ka mutubag. Salamat sa bersikulo sir.

Mao lagi ni akong ponto nga ang Ginoo matud pa sa bersikulo nanginahanglan ug dugo harun kita mapasaylo kay kung walay dugo walay paglimpyo sa sala. Busa maka ingun ta nga mas gamhanan pa ang dugo kaysa ginoo ug DEPENDENT ang kaluwasan sa dugo ug dili sa ginoo.

Tinood na bro, gikinahanglan gyud ang dugo. Ug kadaghanan nalang gyud siguro sa mga nga tawo mag-ingon nga pagka-brutal ba usab sa Ginoo kay sa kadaghan unta nga pwede gamiton ang dugo man gyud ang gipili. Aron atong masabtan kini atong tan-awon kung unsay hinongdan nganung gi-ula sa Ginoo ang dugo sa Iyang anak. Kung dili kita modawat sa gibuhat ni Jesus nga mao ang pagpadayag sa gugma Ginoo nan maglisud gayud kita ug pagsabot niini. Sa ako nang nalakbitan adtong ni-aging panahon gituyo kini sa Ginoo nga dugo ang gamiton aron maula ang dugo sa Iyang anak aron madayag ang Iyang gugma.

Dili pod ta maka-ingon nga masgamhanan pa ang dugo. Ang dugo nahimo lamang kining usa ka washing agent alang sa kalapasan sa tawo. Labing gamhanan gayud ang, Ginoo, naghimo sa tanang butang ug lakip na niana ang dugo.

Unya nagpamatood pod ning bersikuloha nga kining Diyos nga gihisgutan diri osa ka diyos nga BLOOD-THIRSTY kay tiaw mo ng dugo ra ang makapa SATISFY kaniya harun siya makapasaylo sa atong sala.

Walay pagkahimoot ang Diyos niadtong mga halad nga nahisgutan sa daang tugon,

Hebrews 10:6-10 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure. Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God. Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law; Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

Mangutana siguro kamo, "kung mao diay na unsay may kapuslanan niadtong mga paghalad kaniadto?". Gipabuhat kini sa Diyos aron mapalig-on sa ang paghalad sa iyang anak.

Dinhi atong masuta nga dili "blood-thirsty" ang Ginoo sumala sa imong nahibaloan. Kay kung tinood pa unta nga "blood-thirsty" ang Ginoo, hangtud pa unta niining adlawa o sa katapusan sa kapanahonan Iya unta ipahimo ang paghalad sa dugo. Apan atong masabtan, Iya kining gilaraw aron madayag ang Iyang gugma nganhi kanato.

Actually bro wala koy problema ana kung mao nay imyong pagtoo,

Hehe.. mao ba bro? Ako maproblemahan gyud ko kung mao na imong pagtoo bahin sa Ginoo bro. Dili man sa manginlabot lugar ko nimo bro ha. Ako lang nga mapadayag lang nako ang Ginoo nga maoy naghatag ug kausaban sa akong kinabuhi.

ang akong ponto lang kay kining konseptoha sa pag appease sa osa ka ginoo pinaagi sa dugo osa ka konsepto nga gikan sa mga pagano.

Ang ako lang ika-ingon bahin niini, ang Ginoo ang tinugdan sa tanang mga butang bisan pa ang kaalam.

1Samuel 2:3 Talk no more so exceeding proudly; let not arrogance come out of your mouth: for the LORD is a God of knowledge, and by him actions are weighed.
Proverbs 2:6 For the LORD giveth wisdom: out of his mouth cometh knowledge and understanding.

Sa wala pa misantop sa huna-huna sa tawo ang usa ka butang, dayag na kining tanan sa Ginoo. Akong punto mao ni, dili kita maka-ingon nga kini nga konsepto gi-awat sa Ginoo diha sa mga pagano.

Aron mailhan nato ang Ginoo kinahanglan motan-aw kita kang Jesus. Ug mahimo lamang kini sa usa ka tawo kung adunay pagpa-ubos sa iyang kaugalingon.

Ang Ginoo magpanalangin kanatong tanan!

[akosabni]

@super bisdak

salamat. kong tanan nasayran na sa ginoo, naa pa ba tay ma hope for

[Super Bisdak]

@super bisdak

salamat. kong tanan nasayran na sa ginoo, naa pa ba tay ma hope for

walay sapayan pod bro.

sa unsa man nga aspeto imong gipasabot nga mala-uman nato bro?

basta ang tawo duna pay gininhawa duna pay iyang paglaum.

Ecclesiastes 9:4 For to him that is joined to all the living there is hope: for a living dog is better than a dead lion.

Busa bisan unsa pa kadautan sa tawo karon dili nato kini mahukman nga sa linaw nga kalayo na iyang padulngan. Kay kinsay nasayud ugma damlag iyang pagadawaton ang Ginoo sa iyang kinabuhi.

God bless us!

[akosabni]

^bro, ang kanang aspeto nga nasayran sa ginoo ang tanana. pasabot ba ani, kong matao (born) na ta, kahibaw na cya kong kanusa ta mamatay ug asa ta padong kong mamatay ta. i mean kahibaw na ba siya sa specific date and time? kong wala, unsa ra man di'ay iyang nasayran?

[xiao-xiao]

u kabalo xa.

[FISHPEN]

You would love reading this

An Atheist Professor of Philosophy speaks to his Class on the Problem Science has with GOD, The ALMIGHTY.

He asks one of his New Christian Students to stand and . . ...


Professor : You are a Christian, aren't you, son ?
Student : Yes, sir.
Professor : So you Believe in GOD ?
Student : Absolutely, sir.
Professor : Is GOD Good ?
Student : Sure.
Professor : Is GOD ALL - POWERFUL ?
Student : Yes.
Professor : My Brother died of Cancer even though he Prayed to GOD to Heal him..

Most of us would attempt to Help Others who are ill.

But GOD didn't.

How is this GOD Good then ? Hmm ?


( Student is silent )



Professor : You can't answer, can you ?

Let's start again, Young Fella.

Is GOD Good ?
Student : Yes.
Professor : Is Satan good ?
Student : No.
Professor : Where does Satan come from ?
Student : From . .. . GOD . . .
Professor : That's right.

Tell me son, is there evil in this World ?
Student : Yes.
Professor : Evil is everywhere, isn't it ?

And GOD did make Everything. Correct ?
Student : Yes.
Professor : So who created evil ?


( Student does not answer )


Professor : Is there Sickness ? Immorality ? Hatred ? Ugliness ?

All these terrible things exist in the World, don't they ?
Student : Yes, sir.
Professor : So, who Created them ?



( Student has no answer )



Professor : Science says you have 5 Senses you use to Identify and Observe the World around you.

Tell me, son . . . Have you ever Seen GOD ?
Student : No, sir.
Professor : Tell us if you have ever Heard your GOD ?
Student : No , sir.
Professor : Have you ever Felt your GOD, Tasted your GOD, Smelt your GOD ?

Have you ever had any Sensory Perception of GOD for that matter ?
Student : No, sir.. I'm afraid I haven't.
Professor : Yet you still Believe in HIM ?

Student : Yes.
Professor : According to Empirical, Testable, Demonstrable Protocol, Science says your GOD doesn't exist.

What do you say to that, son ?
Student : Nothing. I only have my Faith.
Professor : Yes. Faith. And that is the Problem Science has.
Student : Professor, is there such a thing as Heat ?
Professor : Yes.
Student : And is there such a thing as Cold ?
Professor : Yes.
Student : No sir. There isn't.


( The Lecture Theatre becomes very quiet with this turn of events )


Student : Sir, you can have Lots of Heat, even More Heat, Superheat, Mega Heat, White Heat,

a Little Heat or No Heat.

But we don't have anything called Cold.

We can hit 458 Degrees below Zero which is No Heat, but we can't go any further after that.

There is no such thing as Cold.

Cold is only a Word we use to describe the Absence of Heat.

We cannot Measure Cold.

Heat is Energy.

Cold is Not the Opposite of Heat, sir, just the Absence of it.


( There is Pin - Drop Silence in the Lecture Theatre )



Student : What about Darkness, Professor ? Is there such a thing as Darkness ?
Professor : Yes. What is Night if there isn't Darkness ?
Student : You're wrong again, sir.

Darkness is the Absence of Something.

You can have Low Light, Normal Light , Bright Light, Flashing Light . . ..

But if you have No Light Constantly, you have Nothing and it's called Darkness, isn't it ?

In reality, Darkness isn't.

If it is, were you would be able to make Darkness Darker, wouldn't you ?
Professor : So what is the point you are making, Young Man ?
Student : Sir, my point is your Philosophical Premise is Flawed.
Professor : Flawed ? Can you explain how ?
Student : Sir, you are working on the Premise of Duality.

You argue there is Life and then there is Death, a Good GOD and a Bad GOD.

You are viewing the Concept of GOD as something finite, something we can measure.

Sir, Science can't even explain a Thought.

It uses Electricity and Magnetism, but has never seen, much less fully understood either one.

To view Death as the Opposite of Life is to be ignorant of the fact that

Death cannot exist as a Substantive Thing.

Death is Not the Opposite of Life : just the Absence of it.

Now tell me, Professor, do you Teach your Students that they Evolved from a Monkey ?
Professor : If you are referring to the Natural Evolutionary Process, yes, of course, I do.
Student : Have you ever observed Evolution with your own eyes, sir ?


( The Professor shakes his head with a Smile, beginning to realize where the Argument is going )


Student : Since no one has ever observed the Process of Evolution at work and

cannot even prove that this Process is an On - Going Endeavor,

are you not Teaching your Opinion, sir ?

Are you not a Scientist but a Preacher ?


( The Class is in Uproar )


Student : Is there anyone in the Class who has ever Seen the Professor's Brain ?


( The Class breaks out into Laughter )


Student : Is there anyone here who has ever Heard the Professor's Brain, Felt it, Touched or Smelt it ? . .. ..

No one appears to have done so.

So, according to the Established Rules of Empirical, Stable, Demonstrable Protocol, Science says that

you have No Brain, sir.

With all due respect, sir, how do we then Trust your Lectures, sir ?


( The Room is Silent. The Professor stares at the Student, his face unfathomable )


Professor : I guess you'll have to take them on Faith, son.
Student : That is it sir . . .

the Link between Man & GOD is FAITH.

That is all that Keeps Things Moving & Alive.

We can say that science is correct and Bible is wrong but even scientist cant prove that their theory is correct. I rather put my cards on God than to those crazy scientist. In God I have nothing to loose when I die. I'll not say Good luck but Good grace to those who believe with the theory of humans.

[dartzed]

OT: love the student and teacher thingy..

hehehe

[xiao-xiao]

We can say that science is correct and Bible is wrong but even scientist cant prove that their theory is correct. I rather put my cards on God than to those crazy scientist. In God I have nothing to loose when I die. I'll not say Good luck but Good grace to those who believe with the theory of humans.

mao jud. Godbless!

[necrotic freak]

while that theory remains a theory.

[Mr.Ho_chia]

Sir i believe that we are no longer ON topic. For some reason our discussion had step a little farther from where it should be.


I believe we talked about TIMELINE, you proposed that Creation timeline is the determining factor on where we should base HISTORICAL events and not the ACCEPTED secular timeline(A.D B.C B.C.E C.E). Creation timeline, if my memory serves me right suggested that this earth is young and even some sect draw a timeline that this earth is 60,000 yrs old base on the given birthdates and AGES found in the bible. Now, secular and even religious historians dont base their conclusions on that timeline sir but on the timeline use by most respected scientists,that is the secular timeline. We dont see A.D and B.C or B.C.E and C.E inside the bible. So i was kinda confuse when you say that we should not take this timeline because it is base on faith. This timeline is not base on faith sir. You should know that of all people,why? because it is a timeline on where Jesus is use as a historical reference.

But you know what no need for you and me to go on with this timeline discussion because you already accpeted the fact that paganism came before Judaism. And you are right on the buck sir because secular and religous history also agrees with it.


I also read scriptures and was a fine student of bible hermeneutics until i discovered something and of course God has given us a mind,so akong gigamit ang akong utok, i cant continue pretending that the bible has no errors and manipulations. One might ask, where is your faith? well sorry,I dont base my faith on emotions and fear and semantics,hehe.


From old testament to new testament we see that blood is needed for the forgiveness of sin. What do you call that? When you habitually ask for alcohol for sure you are alcoholic,now when you habitually ask for blood what do you call that? so who's interpreting the bible according to his humanistic point of view?

then you said that shedding of blood is not to appease god? Sir along with bible hermeneutics nagtoon pod ko ug Basic theology. So from what i learned, you are wrong in saying that blood is not to appease the justice of god. You ask your pastor or better buy a systematic theology book in OMF literature or PCBS and read it for yourself. i hope wala nila gi revise,hehe.


maybe this will be my last reply to you in this particular discussion kay obviously imong tubag is layo naman sir mo sulod naman ka ug Evolution and Creation.

Sir, DI po 60,000 -- 6,000 lang po. and I never said that your paganism came in first than the worshiper of the living GOD of the Bible. I really could not understand what your saying, but here it is, your ad and bc, give reference to the CHristian GOD, Jesus.

I only used the creation time line in refuting what you are saying that the shedding of blood is of pagan origin. If i remember it right, what I said was, If we take the creation timeline the shedding of blood happened in the garden of eden when GOD made clothes out of animal skin for adam and eve after they disobeyed and rebel against GOD.

Judaism and the Jews trace its roots to abraham, abraham roots is traceable to Adam, so, which came first? Paganism or GOD believing people?

It is all your right to make that choice, as you have said imong g-gamit imong utok, for as long as you are well informed of your choice and is responsible of that very choice, by all means sir. But contrary to your stand, I see things in great difference, while you see the Bible to be erroneous and manipulative, I see it to be infallible and very rich in the knowledge for GOD.

Yah Blood was shed from the OLD testament and stop when Christ shed HIS own, Didn't you see the sinful nature of men from the fall of adam till today? THe shedding of blood is just the right penalty for our sins, but CHRIST paid it with HIS own, that is why there is no need to sacrifice, an animal nor death to the sinners who repent, because we are paid for already.

The shedding of Blood sir is not to appease GOD, if you shed an innocent blood yet reject the GOD of the Bible it will have no bearing, The shedding of Blood is not to appease a cruel, blood thirsty GOD as you are trying to imply. It is for the payment of our sin, If you are a judge, sulti lang ka sori judge mana? an appropriate payment has to be made, remember GOD is a HOLY and JUST , therefore the appropriate payment has to be made. but worry not GOD provided that solution already, les you a accuse HIM again of being a barbaric GOD.

Ok if you say so, this will be my last as well. GOD bless bro.