Christianity is pagan?

[harris]

@Exiztan, Well, sometimes I got this weird thought that perhaps this world was made by Satan himself. One only read the Old Testament and realized how everything that are written about God is so contrary to what Jesus later tells us in the New Testament.

Really Exiztan..In what way man sila nag ka contradict? Can you show it to me, so that i may know?

[Kenshiro]

@Exiztan, Well, sometimes I got this weird thought that perhaps this world was made by Satan himself. One only read the Old Testament and realized how everything that are written about God is so contrary to what Jesus later tells us in the New Testament.

Really Exiztan..In what way man sila nag ka contradict? Can you show it to me, so that i may know?

I'm interested with these claims would you be able to site some evidences in the Bible that are contradicting?
If I can I'll try to clear your confusions.

"A nihilist is a man who judges of the world as it is that it ought NOT to be, and of the world as it ought to be that it does not exist. According to this view, our existence (action, suffering, willing, feeling) has no meaning: the pathos of 'in vain' is the nihilists' pathos — at the same time, as pathos, an inconsistency on the part of the nihilists."

– Friedrich Nietzsche, The Will to Power, section 585

If you reach Enlightenment it would be Suicide thats a guarantee.

[ix-888]

The whole world and the fate of humanity resides in the hands of few people. . .

It is up to us to be aware and make our own fate . . .

Knock... Knock... Wake up Neo . . .

[kim79]

id rather believe in astrology than that sa religion.....am a christian myself...pero ive seen lots of discrepancy even before this film zeitgeist....i watched it 2 yrs ago na........

[grovestreet]

haven't you guys watch the addendum yet?

ZEITGEIST: ADDENDUM
YouTube - Zeitgeist: Addendum 1/13

after watching i've immediately research on the people present in some of the scenes of the movie.

Carl Sagan
J. Krishnamurti
George Carlin
Bill Hicks
Richard Albert
Jacque Fresco - the venus project

OT: dili pa ni completo. akong paborito kay si carl sagan. hehe nindot man diay to iya series nga "Cosmos" sauna

bitaw sa tinuod btaw, aafter watching this movie, i felt like i am unplugged. mura ug matrix ba. hehe and a lot of things in this world became irrelevant.

[Kenshiro]

Well a lot of things are missing.
Christ birth on Dec 25th was never really biblical.
They never considered pointing out different types of Christian Beliefs. Since there are a lot of false Christian religions as well.

Jesus described as a fish. It way to far off or very unrelated and insignificant just to conveniently fit Jesus into this astrology story.
Jesus is inappropriately symbolized as fish. Since He fed the his people with fish one time in the Bible. But he never claimed to symbolize as fish. In animal symbolism he is most predominantly symbolized as the Lamb. He describes himself as the lamb. By which he explained himself as being a sacrificial animal. Also Jesus is described as the Lion of Judah. How do astrology explain this? Is there any coincedence Jesus as the Lion of Judah as to astrology. Jesus was never described as Leo in astrology right? What about Jesus as the High Priest. Does that fit to any astrology? Jesus the "son" of God, Miss interpreted to "Sun" God. Come on, they themselves deliberately misinterpret the word Son for Sun. Son and Sun entirely have different symbolism in most pagan beliefs lest the real meaning. Can it be more cheaper than this?

The coincidences in fact are very minimal that these claims are myths or inventions. Jesus symbolized as fish in the Bible is never true.

Bits and pieces seem to very effective in telling a story. For example when I read a newspaper I can create an entirely new story and different meaning simply by connecting the words or phrases together. But however the Bible is different, one must read the whole story in order to fully understand the meaning the Bible explains its true meaning by its own context.

For Example
In Acts 10:11-16

11He saw heaven opened and something like a large sheet being let down to earth by its four corners. 12It contained all kinds of four-footed animals, as well as reptiles of the earth and birds of the air. 13Then a voice told him, "Get up, Peter. Kill and eat."
14"Surely not, Lord!" Peter replied. "I have never eaten anything impure or unclean."
15The voice spoke to him a second time, "Do not call anything impure that God has made clean."
16This happened three times, and immediately the sheet was taken back to heaven.

Many have misinterpreted these that its ok to eat any kind of unclean food.

But the Bible explains this well in verse 28 of the same chapter which is the true meaning of the verse

In jewish tradition it is forbidden for jews to entertain non jews in their house.
In acts chapter 10
God instructed Cornelius, a gentile(non Jew), to send men to visit Peter. But Peter would have refused to see them if God had not given him this vision, because Jewish law forbade entertaining Non jews. But when the men finally did arrive, Peter welcomed them, explaining that ordinarily he would not have done so, but "God has shown me that I should not call any man common or unclean"(Acts 10:2
Further explanations to such verse can be found on the next chapter Acts 11, the church members criticized peter for speaking with these Gentiles. So Peter told them the whole story of his vision and its meaning. And Acts 11:18 says, When they heard these things they bacame silent; and they glorified God, saying, "Then God has also granted to the Gentiles(Non Jews) repentance to life."

So what it means actually is that Peter should welcome any non Jews for the Gospel. But if you take it only on the first statements the meaning is entirely different but if you read the whole chapter the meaning is entirely different as well. Its like reading the first paragraph of a news article and not reading the entire article.

What I am saying is the author has to study the bible carefully before he himself can claim its true meaning. Else he will misinterpret the text and arrive in a whole different meaning.

In the movie astrology Jesus is described as a RAM. In the Bible Jesus never described himself as the ram but rather a lamb. A ram and a lamb are symbolized differently in the Bible. A Ram is more similar to a goat, described in the Bible as False prophets and the lost people. Lamb/sheep is strongly differntiated from a RAM/goat in the Bible.

Mathew 25:32-33. All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats. And He will set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left.

A ram or goat can eat any kind of plant form and has horns while sheep only eats grass. A Lamb or Sheep also represents God's true people who chooses to only eat clean foods rather than unclean foods. This is not bound by Jewish tradition anymore. (Paul is responsible for spreading the Gospel to non Jews and Peter)

They say the story of Jesus was developed by the Romans and saying these without any witness or testimonies. On the other side The 12 disciples are witnesses.
In the movie there even has witness accounts of Christ with Roman officials but just mere glimpse. This means during the time of Jesus the roman officials claimed to have seen or heard Christ, and even saw him as a potential trouble maker in the jewish society or a potential leader in a revolution against Rome during that time. These Roman officials should have heard and seen Christ in this time.
And yet the author explicitly denies the existence of Jesus as a person. So the Author is contradicting himself in this manner therefore shows a very obvious error on his part or a deliberate lie which is poorly covered up.

The true purpose of the 12 disciples of Christ are witnesses of him this defeats the reason Jesus did not exist as person and the accounts of roman officials.

John 21:24 - John Beloved Disciple fulfills Jesus' commission to those who were with him to be witnesses to him

The turning point of Christianity is when the Roman Pagan beliefs are infused with it. And there are significant people in History who opposed these system of Christian pagan Roman belief system.
These people did came from catholic beliefs they believe in the same God but practiced their faith in an entirely different way.

In Zietegist part 4 of the movie in the 5:59 clip how do you describe the scene? Try to look closely the person who is about to be burned. He was praying looking up in heaven.
Who do you think these people are?

The only thing that I admired about this movie is the presentation. And the narration.
The contents of the movie is full of contradictions, and lacks certain information about Christianity.

[grovestreet]

if you step back and not focus too much on the religious side of the two movies, you'll be able to grasp the true message.

It talks about bringing humanity to its utmost potential, and the monetary system or the scarcity paradigm is what's corrupting people to the core.

and you didn't get the point kenshiro. Zeitgeist was saying that Jesus is a hybrid character.

[silent-kill]

i just went to church yesterday for a friend's wedding, after a couple of years of not going in a church
and i just cant relate to it anymore hehehe. i mean the priest was teaching common sense with a pinch of fairy tale.

@grovestreet carl Sagan is my idol too ehehehe.

[krushuddel]

It is written..
Deut. 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:
Mark 12:29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:
MIcah 5:13 Thy graven images also will I cut off, and thy standing images out of the midst of thee; and thou shalt no more worship the work of thine hands.
psalm 97:7 Confounded be all they that serve graven images, that boast themselves of idols: worship him, all ye gods.

Any worship of images is pagan for me. Real christianity prohibits it.

[freudz]

christianity is not pagan.... people are....