Cebu Velez College student killed in clash between Army and rebels

[nilo_pepito]

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hehehe abi nakog st. louis ni cya sige balik tas lalis

[cebuboi]

larga mga NPA! burak na! paningkamot!

[radiostar]

what cause?

nga mamatay sa way tumong? way hinungdan? mao na ang cause nga gustong ipaabot sa NPA sa mga tawo? yeah, applause to thos who died for no cause at all kay nailad sila sa mga NPA... congrats...

read the previous posts sir.

[dimasaliw]

Well at least i will not used a gun if i ever want to voice out my concern in our government. I will glady join any NGO's that really help the poor. Not like this activist.

hmmm. it differs man gud on what method you want to use.

remember 2 types lang ang struggle. parliamentary w/c is what u want and the other one is armed struggle.

both have the same intentions but differs in so many ways. due respect to those who take up arms. they can't just wait for their heads to be whacked by policemen while asking for greater subsidy for education, free medical services and job security.

yeah walay problema sa pagNGO. its a good thing ur doing something. but due respect for those who are taking up arms and have the noblest and most sincere intentions of fighting for the greater good.

they have been demonized even after they have been killed with their hands tied behind their backs and shot at the back of the head or even let to sleep overnight on a block of ice before being tortured further to their death byy the so called protectors of the people the afp.

i mean don't get me wrong but the way i seet it their is something wrong and this is sick.

oh by the way bein in an NGO is being active... just so you may know. kasi if ur not doing anything that would be passive...

[cottonmouth]

So you want to ban me too? Ga-ilad ko sa unsuspecting youth? (Rodsky is a former LFS, KM, and CEGP member). I am a terrorist? Clap clap clap. Riiiight.

-RODION

If ikaw ang nang-ilad sa mga unsuspecting youth or ika ba hinoon ang unsuspecting youth...I don't care but I will not be glad if I were in your shoes. All of us makes bad decision when we were young and you'd be glad what happened to that poor young girl didn't happen to you.

When I was doing my time at Silliman University, LFS and other leftist group was also there too, and probably much bolder compared to other universities in the Visayas during my time. Surely I was invited too in joining the group since maybe like you I was then aggressive and full of ideals and displeasure with the government. Mind you I was growing up in the Martial Law years. Fortunately for me, there are older people with much knowledge who prevented me from being fooled by these groups. I instead join legit groups that also do their community service hand-in-hand with the government.

During that time I didn't fully understand the genius why it is needful to avoid the leftist groups...but as my age grew, my ideals soften and my knowledge broaden I now realized how close I was to disaster.

I bet you realized that too, don't you?

P.S.

Motoo na ta ko nimo bai pero when you claim to be a member of the 3 groups morag nasobrahan ra. Its either these group are the tentacles of a larger group na member ka or nasobrahan imo hangin.

[giddyboy]

hmmm. it differs man gud on what method you want to use.

remember 2 types lang ang struggle. parliamentary w/c is what u want and the other one is armed struggle.

both have the same intentions but differs in so many ways. due respect to those who take up arms. they can't just wait for their heads to be whacked by policemen while asking for greater subsidy for education, free medical services and job security.

yeah walay problema sa pagNGO. its a good thing ur doing something. but due respect for those who are taking up arms and have the noblest and most sincere intentions of fighting for the greater good.

they have been demonized even after they have been killed with their hands tied behind their backs and shot at the back of the head or even let to sleep overnight on a block of ice before being tortured further to their death byy the so called protectors of the people the afp.

i mean don't get me wrong but the way i seet it their is something wrong and this is sick.

oh by the way bein in an NGO is being active... just so you may know. kasi if ur not doing anything that would be passive...

we should take cognizance that when a person takes up arms, he/she no longer becomes a civilian but becomes an armed guerilla. Military virtues are different from civilian virtues. Many people don't understand the difference.

Rachelle Mae as an adult knew very well what she is going into and the risks involved.

Yes, i agree that both parliamentary and armed struggle has almost the same intentions but greatly vary in method: one is using civilian virtues, while the other is military (or guerilla) virtues.

One important military virtue is opportunism. Military/Guerilla tactics, urban warfare...that's what Mae was already involved in. and that already includes DECEPTION, PROPAGANDA, RECRUITMENT, SURPRISE ATTACK, and forms of torture, all in the goal of WINNING per Sun Ztu's Art of War.

With regards to NGOs, it will always be forever that they have a DENIAL POLICY that they are not affiliated w/ the NPAs coz there is no way an armed struggle makes it legal.

and when u talk about respect, it always depend on a persons perspective. Coz no matter how other think that their cause is noble, some would believe otherwise. simply put, u can't force people to respect a certain somebody. It has to be earned.

do u even wonder why if for example a military unit is killed in an ambush by the NPAs, much more beheaded by ASG, these human rights groups would just stay mum as if nothing happened? but when a legit clash resulting to NPA deaths, they would cry human rights violations, writing petrified metaphors? Ironic isn't it?

[The_Child]

i take offense. I have leftist ideals and yet the very notion of the Left here is being equated to necrophiiliac groups such as those being mentioned, LFS, NPA, etc...

what is the ideology but the ignorance of it. most of the student left in Cebu, i know alot of them, are dumbells who do not know the roots of the issues, the idea behind the struggle, and most of all are DOGMATISTS who follows what they have been taught in teach-ins as if its the Word of God. Some often quote Marx and even attempts to lecture marx to other people. The poor creatures only does it for show, most of them do not even understand Marx's ideas. And Mao? they have always come to think of him as a Great leap Forward, where in Truth his was a Great Leap backward.


cause? there is always a cause. The cause is not the question, but rather: is it praiseworthy or just plain stupid?
Its not just about the passion, kaya nga ang 'pinas hindi umasenso, bastat may passion ok na, handang ibuwis ang magandang buhay -kasama na ang mga pontensyal- ngayon sa ibat-ibang paraan na hindi nakakabigay lunas sa mga problem ng mamamayang pilipino. We herald Social Justice, but we do not know why we fight for Social justice, we do not know the roots of social justice, we fight for it because of our youthful exuberance because we find that it makes us better person if we contribute at least something. But thats the problem, CONTRIBUTING AT LEAST SOMETHING IS NOT ENOUGH, we have to raise our standards naman, if we are to contribute something we have to contribute in a sensible manner.

ngayon? anong magagawa sa patay e di wala. change is only possible if one actuates it, the dead could not actuate anything. It is the end for them. Memories are good, but then memories only resides in our heads, they offer a little change. The youth must not die for such things, its pointless! If we glorify such deaths, its like saying that we, the youth, agree on killing ourselves for an illusion of cause.

Kung gusto natin umasenso ang 'pinas - do good with our studies, and strive excellence in our field. Only then could we make change possible. Revolution is impractical. and youthful street rallying maybe useful at times, but to take it as a a career, thats plain stupid. Forgive me, for the harsh words, im just fed up with the Left here, all of them that ive met do not understand their advocacy, or for that matter everything around the struggle - just plain hubris in their part to talk about utopias! hilas ra kaayo.


cheers!

[hulagway]

i think that lfs group or any npa influence group are trained to deny,lie,make false accusation,have you read there post "radio star and they others" they always tend to avoid some question by asking other question..they keep on posting "read my previous post" is a waste of time my friend.just answer the question right away,,ooo i forget trained to divert?

now what can you say about mae and they others being a NPA..a hero? sure? in what way? i respect her as a person but to the cause shes fighting for? NO. if you just know how many individuals loses job how many student did not finish college,,that because of your selfish "CAUSE"..

ow "radio star" you ask me if i have a evidence about LFS group being a recruitment agency of NPA
so here it is,what can you say now?..

[radiostar]

i think that lfs group or any npa influence group are trained to deny,lie,make false accusation,have you read there post "radio star and they others" they always tend to avoid some question by asking other question..they keep on posting "read my previous post" is a waste of time my friend.just answer the question right away,,ooo i forget trained to divert?

yes indeed it is a waste of time. because we have already answered your questions, now why do we have to answer back again your gibberish questions wherein the answers are on the previous pages, are you lazy enough to read our posts? or do you just blab your way to a nonsense thought?

now what can you say about mae and they others being a NPA..a hero? sure? in what way? i respect her as a person but to the cause shes fighting for? NO. if you just know how many individuals loses job how many student did not finish college,,that because of your selfish "CAUSE"..

now you're wrong about that one, how many studens did not finish college due to procrastination? from mypoint of view mas daghan paman cguro lfs na naka graduate with honors kaysa sa uban... think about that one,what selfish cause?

ow "radio star" you ask me if i have a evidence about LFS group being a recruitment agency of NPA
so here it is,what can you say now?..

asa man sir?

[rodsky]

The very reason why armed struggle is armed struggle is because people have given up talking about things because of extremes in points of view and philosophy about how to conduct life, because the talking will lead nowhere and they deem that only the bullet will decide who's idea is superior. Basically what I'm saying is this thread is pretty much a never ending debate--sige lang mo'g lalis without any true meat and substance, because one side will ALWAYS stand for what he/she believes in, and the other side with ALWAYS stand for what he/she believes in. And no one will come up a winner unless, a) a mod closes the thread (and the last poster "feels" as if he "won" the thread by posting the last idea that supports his/her ideology), or b) the iStoryan members who posted this thread who are adamant about their POV's will find each other in real life and shoot and kill each other.

If men can truly live in peace with one another, and truly understand one another, then guns should have been abandoned a long time ago. But the sad truth is, they are still here, and they can still be used.

-RODION