Who caused MORE damage to the country, ERAP OR GMA? Why?

[tolstoi]

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you know why it was trash right? was it because there was no enough grounds or was it because of technicality? just answer me if it was because of lack of evidence or mere technicality.

trashed or not..still the Garci tape is not admissible in court..the impeachment proceeding has nowhere to go unless the real GARCI himself will testify in court..

What is your basis why you will say its not admissible in court? Can you cite a law? Be specific. Or imo ra ning nadunggan sa barberohan.

THE DISCRETION WHETHER TO ADMIT OR NOT AN EVIDENCE LIES WITHIN THE SOUND DISCRETION OF THE COURT!

GMA knows this so she moved heaven and earth by using peoples money to bribe the crocodile Congressment to outnumber the voting.

first of all the possession of the wiretap tape conversations in the hands of Sammy ONG is definitely ILLEGAL..see here:

The Act to Prohibit and Penalize Wire Tapping and Other Related Violations of the Privacy of Communication and for Other Purposes[2084] contains a notwithstanding clause that supersedes all inconsistent statutes.[2085] Section 1 states that all parties to a communication must give permission for a recorded wiretap or intercept and makes it illegal to knowingly possess any recording made in prohibition of this law, unless it is evidence for a trial, civil or criminal.[2086] Section 2 assesses liability for any person who contributes to the actions described in § 1.[2087] Section 3 provides certain exceptions to the conditions found in §§ 1-2 but adopts stringent criteria for wiretap warrants, including the identity of the wiretap target; who may execute the warrant; reasonable grounds that a crime has been, is or will be committed; and, a reasonable belief that the evidence obtained via the wiretap will aid in a conviction or prevention of a crime.[2088] Further, predicate offences - or offences for which a court may authorize a wiretap - are limited to several particularly onerous severity.[2089] Section 4 states that any communication obtained in violation of this Act shall not be admissible as evidence in any court.

http://www.privacyinternational.org/...hilippines.htm

that is why SAMMY ONG was acting like an old school queer when he presented the tapes to the media with a bishop on his side..they could not present a permission/warrant from the court allowing them to wiretap GMA and other politicians [including ESTRADA] thus he was culpable of section 4 above...thaw was only for a show to incite the people to revolt..pero wala epik.

i'm not practicing law bai pero bisan grade 3 pa ang mo represent ni GMA sa impeachment court nya kamao lang mubasa for sure the complaint wouldl be quashed bisan sa priliminary hearing pa lang daan!

asa naman ka SNMP??

[glenn]

Well guys lets think of it.......kang kinsa ang administration ang daghan og protesta nga nahitabo?......almost evey month naay rally og protesta.....................

[dhedi]

this thread is getting hotter, huh??

[s.n.m.p.]

@slyder: the issue is not that wiretapping without permission is illegal.

The issue is whether or not the court will admit the evidence if it will promote the discovery of truth or for the sake of national interest.

GMA-Garci tape is illegal wiretap.Â* True.

But the legal luminaries of the subject believe that the higher interest of the country will incline the courts to admit such evidence.

After all, the inadmissibility of an illegal wiretap is a RULE OF EVIDENCE ONLY.Â* It can be discarded in the interest of justice and truth. What is important is the CONTENTS. Not some rule that will hide the truth and exonerate a crime.Â* That not what the our laws are intended.

[s.n.m.p.]

Mas maayo pa mag dancer na lang si GMA. . . Ma puslan pa. . .

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[potterboy]

pinakadako ug damage si ERAP nga nabuhat sa Pilipinas.





















.... gitiwasan lang ni GMA. ug sa mga tawo nga susama ug pangisip ni ERAP nga mura ug walay utok kung maghunahuna sa kaugmaon ning nasud. puro istorya ug reklamo. cge pagamit. walay mga ayo. change starts in ourselves, not outside. its the people inside the government that's needed to be changed and the people surrounding them. not the system.

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

First you say that the tape is not credible, then you say that mas credible ang nadunggan nimo kesa sa transcript sa PCIJ?

The logic there is .. mas makahatag ug CREDIBILITY ang NADUNGGAN nimo sa TAPE compared sa GIBASA na gi SULAT specially sa usa ka website pa . Dili kay ni contradict ko .... ako na man nuon ni lusot para nimo .

Huh? So you don't think it's possible to be upright and be anti-GMA? That explains a lot. FYI, GMA is not the epitome of righteousness... Far from it.

Â* Â*And the rest of the POLICTIANS who are after her seat na PILDIHAN sa ELECTIONS . BTW .. we are talking about CAPABILITIES here and not RIGHTEOUSNESS .

Look up what lying means in the dictionary. When you say one thing and do another, thats lying. And how presumptous of her (and her supporters like you) to assume that she's the only one capable. There are 70+ million Filipinos, she thinks she's the only one qualified?

Â* Nobody argued u regarding the definition .... we are talking about ... again for the NTH time , CAPABILITIES . 70 + million eh ? Including you ? Ikaw unta to ni dagan if u think u can surpassed PGMA's capabilities currently .

Again sidestepping the issue. Why pick Noli and then use him to "scare" other people who want GMA replaced? Isn't that hypocrisy and pragmatism at its worst?

Â* SOmetimes ... I need to para ma relieve ko from explaining to you na dili dugay pasabton but refuses to comprehend kay di madawat .

I didn't say she continued what Erap did. I said she cheated in the elections, and as a result is vulnerable to all the flak she's been getting. The most honorable thing for her to do, and the best course for our country, is for her to resign so the Presidency will not be tarnished.

Â* LOLZ .... walay naka prove sa pag CHEAT niya because they have no basis at all ... ikaw mo sulti ug SHE CHEATED ? Basin you voted to someone else unya PILIDHAN mao namasangil naka dayon .

Whether she cheated or not, the tape (corroborated by the testimony of the marine officers), the accounts from her own former cabinet secretaries of her administration's actions, the killing of the impeachment complaint... all point to a rotten administration. I for one believe she cheated, and surveys such as those conducted by the SWS recently, showed that majority of Filipinos believe so too. Again, heads of states in other countries have resigned for much less.

Â* Again .... do u know what is a PLAN A ? Palpak nga lang mao they better have a successful PLAN B in ousting her slash power grabbing .

Why keep bringing up the "literal meaning" card ad infinitum? Like I said it doesn't matter if you meant it literally or not. It's simply not a word to use in polite conversation.

Â* ACCUSING PGMA cheated is not POLITE either because it wasnt proven .... it is a matter of understanding things HEARTUILY and not LITERALLY . Ang tao ra na BOGO ug walay COMMONSENSE ang mo sabot ug LITERAL kay di sila capable mo dig deeper sa core . SO again .. speak for urself .

So your assertion that what GMA meant by "yung dagdag yung dagdag" and what Garci meant by "pagapapataas" is to add votes to FPJ and Lacson to make it more challenging, isn't ridiculous?

Â* Like I said .... get the TAPE authenticated then reply again here . Otherwise ..... dili naka POLITE pod ana because CHISMOSO kagawsan niom ana bai .

Haay... to enrich your limited vocabulary... you could have meant the same thing, WITHOUT OFFENDING ANYONE, by saying something like "if someone says jump off a cliff, you'd jump"?

Ah ic .... ok .... I still refer the all time famous TAE expression " unya ug pakan-on ka ug TAE ?? Mo kaon ka ?? "

Again, see above for an example of a phrase that means the same thing, WITHOUT OFFENDING SENSIBILITIES. Maybe you just don't have any grasp of the idea of being civil and polite in a forum. Like I said earlier... look up "netiquette".

NETIQUETTE ?Â* You dont know who is in the other side , accussing without basis VULGAR or NOT shares the same color. Gi imbento ra pod na to sensationalized yet no matter what .... NABARA^ lang ka sa TAE na issue mao bisan asa naka padong and accussations nimo ... kang PGMA are all baseless , accussations nimo kang SPRINGFIELD samot na walay basehan ... hohum .... refer na lang sa reply nako sa taas pod .

Let me spell it out for you since you seem to be slow... if you were brought up correctly (unfortunately you were not), you would know that it;s rude and vulgr to talk about feces in a public forum where there are other much more acceptable and sensible ways of communicating the same point.

Â* ACCUSSATIONS na pod.. tsk tsk tsk tsk .... I still prefer the word TAE lage no matter what ilabi na if I am disscussing it with you . Cge ka ma lock ni ang thread because of TAE . Offtopic na ka dodong .

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

Bai bfg9000, debating with a poster like springfield is just a waste of your time. Lisud pasabton bay. Mag tuyok tuyok ra na siya nya way tunong ba. And when you read his logic, pastilan ni kapirangot wala gyud.

Â* Damn ! You blew it off TEMPEST 1 and 2 and DAWN RUNNER ... I miss the good ol' days boy !! How are you ? ANTI PGMA lang gihapon ?

Kung wa pa mag cheat si GMA, where is Garcillano.

Speculations na kay nawala si GARCI , nanikas si PGMA .

Kung wa pa mag cheat si GMA, nganong nag I am sorry man siya.

Abi nag sorry ni CHEAT diay ?

Kung wa pa mag cheat si GMA, ngano nawala man mga balota sa Congress.

There is no need to , for what ?

Mas maayo pa bfg kita na lang ang mag discuss.

Aron magkasinabot mo ? Walay lami .... mag atubang gyud ang ANTI and PRO or SUPPORTER .. aron mura ta ug uyab ba ga LQ ... naay spice atong relasyon dodong SNMP , mas exciting !

[Moshi Moshi]

Sus Ginoo. Â*Mas daku ug damage ang Mining Act 2004.

Mga langyaw puede nang makatag-iya sa atong nahabilin nga National Treasures nga Gold, Copper, bronze etc metal and coal.

Foreign Companies can now own priceless mining areas of the country. It is like gibaligya ug wholesale ang Pilipinas.

Ang mining karon dili na mag-gamit ug daghang mga tawo. Gamiton ang dagko ug higanteng mining machines nga maka-upaw, makabalhin ug bungtod o bukid every six months.

Inig kahuman nila, wala nay mahabilin sa Filipino.

Ang inyong makuha.

Mudslide, landslide, Spring poluted with mercury, Fish with high concentration of mercury,
Birthdefects, unsafe water level, unlivable habitat.

Tan awa ang Atlas, Upaw na ang bungtod sa Cebu.

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[tolstoi]

@slyder: the issue is not that wiretapping without permission is illegal.

The issue is whether or not the court will admit the evidence if it will promote the discovery of truth or for the sake of national interest.

GMA-Garci tape is illegal wiretap. True.

naara man diay na..now your talking!..if your major evidence is illegal do you think your case will have direction?..the whole complaint is bound to be quashed!

oh btw..where in the hell is Sammy Ong?..i feel for this man becoz the opposition was only using him as a bait in nailing down GMA in court..coz if GMA will retaliate with a wiretapping case Sammy Ong will only be the sole suspect and the rest of the oppositions are safety smirking out of the limelight...