Everything about : RH Bill ( Reproductive Health Bill)

[cottonmouth]

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This is FORCING people to act against their conscience! If you don't want to distribute abortafacient, you have to show them someone else who will. Eh, so you are assisting in the same thing. Grabe! No freedom, no cfonscinece. Just goverrnment forcing people to do distirbution of contraceptive against their beliefs. Stupid.

Hey! READ AGAIN and understand the concept. I dont think you understand at all.

[cottonmouth]

@mannyamador...your just impossible. I don't think there is enough reason in this world to convince you that this bill is not anti-life...nothing. It is just either you closed your mind or blinded by your belief. I just hope your not too dull to understand the bill in its intirety. But that is how humans work right? Some agree, some don't. We are just part of the statistics...so look up: its 33 vs 12.

[bcasabee]

Hahahaha.....running out of arguments?
Its very obvious that you are the one who didn't understand the sections of the bill that you have posted at all.

[bcasabee]

I got this column from the freeman and I just highlighted the what I think is the meat of this bill.

The Freeman - Articles - -

Preliminary Statements on HB no. 5043
By Deputy Speaker Raul V. Del Mar
Friday, September 26, 2008

Let me categorically state that I am pro-life, quality life especially, pro-family and pro-choice as well, informed already included in the word choice. And yes, I am against the subject measure - House Bill No. 5043.

I got to hand it to the principal authors and sponsors for having neatly packaged this measure with a title that will gain the support of practically everybody. For how can anybody argue against a measure strategically titled "An Act Providing for a National Policy on Reproductive Health, Responsible Parenthood and Population Development, and for Other Purpose". The strategy worked soliciting the signatures of more than 90 of our colleagues to co-author the measure.

But if the focus of the proposed legislation, as its title suggests, is on "reproductive health", "responsible parenthood", and "population development" then the Bill is totally unnecessary and deceptive as these programs are already in place, pursued under existing programs, both by private and public initiatives.

Responsible Parenthood. - This is certainly not something new. This is essentially all about parents and children, about having a family and children. It is our way of life. All of us grew up in a family, we learned this at home, in school, in community gatherings, even in the government seminars and NGO activities. There is no need to legislate how to be a responsible parent.

On population development programs, we have had them since the 1970s. These programs, funded by our government and by international agencies and several donor countries, are very much in place.

Reproductive health care programs are on-going. We have family planning methods, health education, maternal and child health and nutrition, family planning services, breastfeeding programs, prevention of breast cancers, treatment of infertility. It's a question of giving them more focus.

Principal author Edcel Lagman stated in his sponsorship speech last Wednesday that "verily, the heart and soul of the bill is freedom of informed choice. Neither the state nor the church has the authority to impose its preference or will on the citizens or the faithful".

But informed choice has long been the practice. Access to contraceptive is free and unrestricted. Despite the WHO cancer-research finding that oral contraceptives cause breast, liver and cervical cancer, none of these items have been banned by law. None of these are even required to be labeled as "cancer-causing" or "hazardous to women's health". Even abortifacients (drugs the induce abortion) are openly sold as plain contraceptives, without any warning whatsoever about their abortion-causing qualities. Just as no one is prohibited by law from using contraceptives, no one is barred from getting sterilized if they want it. In fact, health workers are the ones campaigning that men undergo vasectomy and women get ligated. Neither is anyone restrained from making a fool of themselves and telling the Church to change its position on the the subject because they will not stop defying it.

Indeed, the Church continues to teach that contraception and sterilization are intrinsically evil. But the Church will not strong-arm anyone into following its teachings on reproductive health. Thus, so many women will freely take contraceptives while imagining themselves to be still "good Catholics". This helps to explain the national contraception prevalence rate of 50%.

Now if Church law has not prevented "Catholic" women from contracepting and no civil statute prevents them from doing the same thing, what is the necessity of the proposed law, assuming such law could be moral and constitutional?

That would be clearly pushing an open door. That is why the proposed law is deceptive.

So there's really no problem - couples are absolutely free to choose which method of family planning they wish - natural or artificial. If they want the natural method, nobody will stop and force them to instead use the artificial method nor can anybody force those who wish to use the artificial method to stop and instead use the natural method. Each couple to their own beliefs and decisions. So why are they not leaving things as they are if they truly mean what they say "that freedom is the bedrock of republicanism and democracy". I'll tell you why - because far from their assurance "that there is no hidden agenda and there are no caveats" - the fact is that this bill is not for "providing a national policy on reproductive health, responsible parenthood and population development" after all. Because after a cursory reading of its provisions, the cat is out of the bag so-to-speak and the bill is now exposed for what it truly is - "An Act Providing a National Policy Promoting Artificial Methods of Birth Control" or "An Act Providing a National Policy Promoting Contraceptives and Sterilization". And yet they have the gall to assure us "that there is no bias for or against natural or artificial planning methods because both will be promoted with equal vigor to truly assure freedom of choice."

Why in heavens name are the principal authors and sponsors insisting on legislating the promotion of artificial methods of birth control against the vehement objections of the majority of our people - We Catholics who comprise no less than 80% of our population - which methods of birth control is a direct assault and violation of our religious beliefs and in contravention with the provisions of the Constitution. And as if this is not bad enough, adding insult to injury by providing billions of pesos in government funding for an intensified public media campaign and the massive free distribution of contraceptives and sterilization devices and procedures.

The Bill, in sum and substance, is an advocacy of an extremely divisive policy. The Bill goes against fundamental Catholic doctrines, the strong religious beliefs of the majority of Filipinos, born and raised in a Catholic environment, a reality that must be reckoned with, whether we like it or not. This is where the problem lies. It will not simply be a case of ordinary disagreement or honest dissent. We cannot quibble or trifle with matters of faith. We may be looking at a possible conflagration, not mere bush fires.

There is no cause for worry in so far as the Church and its followers are concerned. Violence or destabilization is not part of our teaching or advocacy. But there are others who may take advantage of the situation - the gathering of signatures, the street rallies in different places, spontaneous and planned mobilization in schools and colleges, the endless vigils and prayer rallies of millions of Catholics which may be taken as a sign of massive unrest. It may result in a divisiveness that may undermine the national peace and unity we are seeking to achieve.

[Teiflin]

We certainly need this bill.

It pains me to see all these wayward children roaming the streets, malnourished and uneducated, because their parents "accidentally" conceived them.

The children are the future of our country, and if we carelessly produce them or neglect them, it seriously affects our future.

[minor.me]

I would like to point out that yes, it is true that the bill is against Catholic belief since it incorporates the use of contraceptives of which some are 'aborfacients' as you call it.

Well, I am a Catholic that is why I stand on my beliefs but I do believe we need this bill. As you say, SOME contraceptives (but not all) are aborfacients thus incorporating abortion into the picture but as human beings, it is in our prerogative to use or not use contraceptives that are 'aborfacients'. The thing is, the Bill is important in educating the mass about Reproduction and its consequences if acted irresponsibly especially in the provincial areas where people have no clue about birth control thus struggling to raise up families of 12, etc.

What I mean is, if this bill would be signed and passed, the choice would still be ours to stay away and revoke the use of 'aborfacient' contraceptives even if the Bill allows it.

Pwede ra biya untag dili ra ta mugamit anang mga aborfacient contraceptives. Diba naa ra man na nato gud if firm ta sa atong faith then dili jud ta mu gamit og that kind of contraceptives even if the bill allows it. Instead, we can use the non-aborfacient ones which no one said was against Catholic Belief.

[mannyamador]

@mannyamador...your just impossible. I don't think there is enough reason in this world to convince you that this bill is not anti-life...nothing.

That's because the Bill is RATIONALLY INDEFENSIBLE. Open your eyes! You have NOT been able to refute the clear arguments that prove that the Bill promotes abortifacients. You have NOT been able to refute that it is coercive. So how can any rational person believe your empty claims?

This Bill will not solve the problem of poverty. It will not keep wayward children off the streets. All it will do is divert resources to useless programs that do not address the real causes of poverty. It does not address massive corruption, greed, indiscriminate debt servicing, and so on. It does NOTHING to address the roots of poverty. What a total waste of time!

But this Bill will promote abortifacients. It will cause tens of thousands of chemical abortions every year. That's a bloody and murderous price to pay for little benefit.

@bcasabee said:

Its very obvious that you are the one who didn't understand the sections of the bill that you have posted at all.

Good point, sir! This guy cottonmouth posts sections of the Bill that undermine his own arguments! Does he even understand what he's doing? Sad, really.

[mannyamador]

In case anyone has any doubts about abortifacients...

Abort73.com || Prenatal Development

FERTILIZATION

At the moment of fertilization, a new and unique human being comes into existence with its own distinct genetic code. Twenty-three chromosomes from the mother and twenty-three chromosomes from the father combine to result in a brand-new and totally unique genetic combination. Whereas the heart, lungs, and hair of a woman all share the same genetic code, her unborn child, from the moment of fertilization, has a separate genetic code that is all its own. There is enough information in this tiny zygote to control human growth and development for the rest of its life.

EIGHT DAYS (from fertilization)

At about eight days after conception, the fertilized ovum (called a blastocyst) implants in the lining of the uterus. It emits chemical substances which weaken the woman's immune system within the uterus so that this tiny "foreign" body is not rejected by the woman's body.

Oral contraceptives like the Pill, the mini-pill, "emergency contraceptives", and others like the IUD, Depo Provera (injectable), Norplant (implantable), can prevent the fertilized ovum from implanting, this eventually killing the new human being.

It is these abortifacients that that the anti-life Bill 5043 promotes.

[long4short]

guys,

i have an employee, a very active R. Catholic, who's been campaigning against this bill, in fact they have this signature campaign going on, he asked me if i want to join and sign... so, i asked him his reasons why he's against it, he then told me "ingon man gud sa simbahan, gapromote kuno ni same *** marriage"... knowing that it isn't true, i then asked if he happen to read the full text of the bill, as expected his answer is "NO"... so i printed the full text and gave it to him... he was shocked... hehehehe... wicked misinformation...

honestly, as an active R. Catholic believer myself (an ex-seminarian), i'm a pro-life but we really need to control our pop-growth... whether with this bill or not, we need to have it controlled... "same *** marriage in the Philippines not in a million years"... hehehehhehe....

[batigol192002]

guys,

i have an employee, a very active R. Catholic, who's been campaigning against this bill, in fact they have this signature campaign going on, he asked me if i want to join and sign... so, i asked him his reasons why he's against it, he then told me "ingon man gud sa simbahan, gapromote kuno ni same *** marriage"... knowing that it isn't true, i then asked if he happen to read the full text of the bill, as expected his answer is "NO"... so i printed the full text and gave it to him... he was shocked... hehehehe... wicked misinformation...

honestly, as an active R. Catholic believer myself (an ex-seminarian), i'm a pro-life but we really need to control our pop-growth... whether with this bill or not, we need to have it controlled... "same *** marriage in the Philippines not in a million years"... hehehehhehe....

- ang simbahan unta mo respitar sila sa gobyerno. separate gud nang church ug state. Dili man sad guro angay natong ipamogus nang atong tino-uhan. Kung ang tawo lig-on na iyang faith, dili man guro mobuhat ana? Atong taga-an ug options ang mga tawo. Angay buhaton sa simbahan ila nang e-educate ilang mga miembro. Unsa may nakalahi sa pinoy kaysa French ug Irish - majority sa ilaha katoliko man. Gi-allow mani sa ilaha.