Who caused MORE damage to the country, ERAP OR GMA? Why?

[bfg9000]

Hehehe ... of course everyone knows she talked to Garci but where did you find the CHEATING a mere LAPSE of JUDGEMENT ? Murag diri ra man sa iSTORYA cguro na because AFAIK ang lapse of judgement she was referring to was TALKING to GARCI itself and not what they are talking about .

Talking to Garci about "ang dagdag ang dagdag" and "pagpapataas" sure sounds like cheating to me. Maybe not to GMA diehards like you. She apologized for calling a COMELEC commissioner, whom she appointed despite heavy opposition due to his association with "dagdag bawas" in previous elections. That's lack of delicadeza right there, then if you listen to the tape itself, there's clear evidence of election manipulation/fraud. Delicadeza alone leads to resignation of public officials in other countries. Election fraud is much worse.

It was only a factor and part as evidence but not the core of the IMPEACHMENT process . The technicality on the impeachment wasnt about the tape being not authenticated .

Yes it was. GMA knew the contents of the tape were damning, so she moved heaven and earth to make sure the impeachment got killed before the tape came into play.

Ga libog na ka sa gipangsulti nimo . Dili ko TUTA and a BELIEVER of anything under the sun ANTI PGMA . I believed in her because I chose to believe her as an effective leader and not that I know she is not capable of running the country and nagpakatuta lang gihapon ko . How about you ? How sure are you na dili pod ikaw ang nagpakabuta and nagpaka bungol ??

I voted for Roco, who was an idealist and clearly a man with virtue. GMA is too pragmatic, she'll do anything to hold on to power. No less than her own cabinet secretaries (her official family) said so after they resigned because they couldn't stomach the fact that GMA mobilized the entire government to ensure her own political survival, while sacrificing the good of the country. Is that what an "effective leader" is to you?

Too bad her BS is so good that I wanted more and kamo mga ANTI hantod na lang mo sa laway till the next election .

So, if the BS is good enough, you'll eat it? Wow!

Just like ur stand of her conversation understanding that she wanted a higher shoe literally . Seryoso ka ana pagsabot niom bai ? Hehehe .... SARCASTIC lang gani ko ... refer dayon ka na BS ko and si PGMA .

Still no explanation forthcoming about what GMA and Garci were talking about when they mentioned "yung dagdag" and "yung pagpapataas sa yo"?

So u are saying the word TAE is VULGAR ?? Hehehe .... guess what , what I say in here is what I am in person . Take it and live with it because I am not like some of the people here who NAGPAKA ARON INGNON lang

If that's how you talk in person, that's fine, that shows how you were raised, can't blame you for that. Some people however know something called "netiquette", I suggest you look it up. It's not being "NAGPAKA ARON INGNON", it's about being polite. You can argue and remain polite you know. Or maybe you don't.

[tolstoi]

you know why it was trash right? was it because there was no enough grounds or was it because of technicality? just answer me if it was because of lack of evidence or mere technicality.

trashed or not..still the Garci tape is not admissible in court..the impeachment proceeding has nowhere to go unless the real GARCI himself will testify in court..

[bfg9000]

you know why it was trash right? was it because there was no enough grounds or was it because of technicality? just answer me if it was because of lack of evidence or mere technicality.

trashed or not..still the Garci tape is not admissible in court..the impeachment proceeding has nowhere to go unless the real GARCI himself will testify in court..

Exactly! Which is why he fled the country (with the help of the government). I just hope he's still alive somewhere.

Anyway... logging off for now... back to work.

[tolstoi]

Exactly! Which is why he fled the country (with the help of the government). I just hope he's still alive somewhere.

Anyway... logging off for now... back to work.

naaahh...he's just in vacation somewhere else..yatap na guro ni cya kung c lacson pa ang presidente..basin apil cguro ug post diri gani..mwahahah

[FK]

trashed or not..still the Garci tape is not admissible in court..the impeachment proceeding has nowhere to go unless the real GARCI himself will testify in court..

again wala pa ta kahibaw kong ang tape ra ba ang ebidensiya...

but again admissible or not... it still shows and proves that GMA committed massive fraud in the election. Â*

And if the country will go nuts.. the oppostion should not solely be blamed for the outcome, she should be also... after all she is the root cause of all this mess.

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

it was authenticated bai by the opposition... again bai dali ra kaau pagbungkag ani nga ebidensiya... but they have failed.
The voices and the content are the same... what if came from cyberspace? Dba kanang case ron nila Aragoncillo ang uban ebidensiya gikan man sa cyberspace? what makes it now that the voices that was downloaded from cyberspace became less credible?

Â* Aragoncillo issue was totally different sa atong gi storyahan na issue about sources ninyo sa GARCI TAPES na gikan sa internet then gi download ninyo . What I am talking about is , naka dungog ba mo sa gi play na ACTUAL TAPE na gi gamit sa pag wiretap ? Naa na man gani ringtones ani ug CD ... so credibility is very low unless ang genuine tape imong nadunggan .

Honestly bai why I think that you think it is BS? because it's against GMA.

Â*Like what TOLSTOI said inyo gibasol si PGMA sa ekonomiya karon .... its not her fault but the people who are trying to oust her and grab power from her . Kana siya ang BS na ako gipasabot .

And I thought you knew that not all that are thrown to jail and not all that outside jail is not guilty. Sige gani ka ingon nga si Lacson is guilty of all illegal activities... is he in jail?

Â*Because on LACSONS case ... it was never proven ... but just because di ninyo ma prove si PGMA , she is automatically compared to Lacson na GUILTY unless proven innocent . Unlike ERAP ... sobra pa man sa GUILTY siya .

you know why it was trash right? was it because there was no enough grounds or was it because of technicality? just answer me if it was because of lack of evidence or mere technicality.

Â*It was trassh because the TECHNICALITY in there was no enough grounds and basis at all . mao bitaw ninguha na pod cguro na ang opposition ug maayong PLAN B kay ang PLAN A palpak man .

I have answered this a couple of times... ako sa pangitaon to akong tubag.

Â*UNless you keep on repeating issues na dugay na pod natubag bai ... then questions will be also repeated .

listen to the conversation bai og gamita imong dunggan pagsabot... kong after ka naminaw maka-ingon gihapon ka ana, then I believe you have different style of understanding.

Mao lage na ako pasabot nimo .... people who listens to it has different outlook ... samot na ako na mas lahi gyud . Why would I bother listen to it in the first place when it was sourced out from the internet ? Padungga ko sa orig na tape then kana I can give statements regarding its contents .

it got me thinking... ngano wala man naka huna2x ang administration ani nga idea? maybe because it's a lame excuse.

Â*Because they dont want to waste time . Mura gud ug gipasanginlan ka ug nahusay na ... why bother prove urself innocent ? Kay EGO ? Nope .. PGMA is more smarter than that much more has better things to do .

again the administration can easily destroy this conversation by presenting that this are not real. Again they failed.

Â*If they failed .... oust n impeached na unta siya ... its the OPPOSITION who failed to make a good plan A in power grabbing .

[tolstoi]

but again admissible or not... it still shows and proves that GMA committed massive fraud in the election.

the reason why the court would not admit tape conversations as evidence is because it is prone to tampering and other manipulations...so you can't simply say that GMA commited massive fraud because of these tapes...my advice to the opposition is find a strong evidence..haul GARCILLANO in the courtroom

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

Talking to Garci about "ang dagdag ang dagdag" and "pagpapataas" sure sounds like cheating to me. Maybe not to GMA diehards like you. She apologized for calling a COMELEC commissioner, whom she appointed despite heavy opposition due to his association with "dagdag bawas" in previous elections. That's lack of delicadeza right there, then if you listen to the tape itself, there's clear evidence of election manipulation/fraud. Delicadeza alone leads to resignation of public officials in other countries. Election fraud is much worse.

Â*What tape ? Kadtong gi DOWNLOAD nimo sa internet ? LOLZ !

Yes it was. GMA knew the contents of the tape were damning, so she moved heaven and earth to make sure the impeachment got killed before the tape came into play.

Â*Like what tape wa splayed so PGMA can be excused ? A new one ? A new tape that says ...." walang dagdag" and " walang pagpapataas " ??

I voted for Roco, who was an idealist and clearly a man with virtue. GMA is too pragmatic, she'll do anything to hold on to power. No less than her own cabinet secretaries (her official family) said so after they resigned because they couldn't stomach the fact that GMA mobilized the entire government to ensure her own political survival, while sacrificing the good of the country. Is that what an "effective leader" is to you?

Â*Is that a factor u gave makes u think a LEADER is not EFFECTIVE ? SInsiyo ra na .... give her due credit and time to prove herself and dili kay puro hilak and yawyaw .

So, if the BS is good enough, you'll eat it? Wow!

Â*Dig deeper ... whats trash to me is a treasure for you and vice and versa . LIterally na pagsabot and assumptions is the mother of all fuct ups ra ba .

Still no explanation forthcoming about what GMA and Garci were talking about when they mentioned "yung dagdag" and "yung pagpapataas sa yo"?

Â*From what tape lage na ? From the tape that she wanted extra votes for FPJ and LACSON . Kabalo ka bai ... dont ask questions when you know the answers already .

If that's how you talk in person, that's fine, that shows how you were raised, can't blame you for that. Some people however know something called "netiquette", I suggest you look it up. It's not being "NAGPAKA ARON INGNON", it's about being polite. You can argue and remain polite you know. Or maybe you don't.

Â* Literal understanding means comprehension problems . Mao daghan miscommunications and misunderstandings then basolon dayon si PGMA basta naay problema . Sabta lage otherwise my next reply would be spoonfeeding already .

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

the reason why the court would not admit tape conversations as evidence is because it is prone to tampering and other manipulations...so you can't simply say that GMA commited massive fraud because of these tapes...my advice to the opposition is find a strong evidence..haul GARCILLANO in the courtroom

Hehehe ayaw oi .... pakorintihan unya ang nipples ni Garci ni Lacson LOLZ ! Aminin huwag i deny !

[Moshi Moshi]

Amateurs - Petty thiefs, snatchers, holdapers, Frat violence. - usually goes to jail. sleeping in overcrowded jail cells.

Professionals - Carnappers, Bank robbers, Kidnappers. - usually dies in a blaze of glory.

AdvanceÂ* - Corrupt Public Officials, Dagdag bawas, Ghost Projects. - usually never goes to jail. Has residency in other countries. Money stash in foreign banks.

Stop damaging the super damage philippines by:Â* Death penalty to corrupt officials.

Firing Squad to all public officials found using public money for personal gains.
To all PMA'ers, The public needs you. Help protect the Philippine treasury from this advance criminals.

Public is Public.Â* It is not Public = Private.

Don't be fooled by Public Official pocketing public money then declaring it as private matter. Or Public Official who engages/practices in any Private institution. Public official must serve the public not any private firm or institution.Â*

From the three category: The advance is the best option. Go big time! No penalty pa.