RELIGION

[rexter]

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they exist. they must exist

[Empress_Of_Drac]

And your only basis is the ones in the bible?

[rexter]

the BIBLE is one... and all its mysteries

b4... i tried to criticized ... no GOD, No creator, no demons,no satan...,no hell, no heaven... but wake up! there must be sumbody who did these all,Â* ... such things don't exist w/out sum1 who did let it happen...that sum1 is the almighty... the mostpowerful,the father, the creator...our highest!...GOD

[Cardinal Bunal]

The bibles...scriptures...etc...are just mere guides...and not really the basis of our salvation...it's what we do that could save us...(kung naa man jud ganiy salvation...)wehehehehehe...i mean bible talks about heaven and hell right? but does these places really exist?...(just curious...)

You are correct we are justified by faith and we show our faith by what we do... but there is One who can give us assurance that we can have for our salvation (1 Jn 5: 13 )..

No one can question why God created eternal damnation to be the destination of those who are astray and unprincipled because God's law is perfect (Ps. 19: 7 ) di ta pwedi magbu-ot (Rom. 9: 18 )

The soul who sins will die (eternal death) Ezek. 18: 26 because the wages of sin is death but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus (Rom 6: 23 )

We can be sure of the Scriptures as the inspired message because many "by the numbers" events have been predicted:

The Antichrist Revealed

[Cardinal Bunal]

Papal Persecutions
Thus far our history of persecution has been confined principally to the pagan world. We come now to a period when persecution, under the guise of Christianity, committed more enormities than ever disgraced the annals of paganism. Disregarding the maxims and the spirit of the Gospel, the papal Church, arming herself with the power of the sword, vexed the Church of God and wasted it for several centuries, a period most appropriately termed in history, the "dark ages." The kings of the earth, gave their power to the "Beast," and submitted to be trodden on by the miserable vermin that often filled the papal chair, as in the case of Henry, emperor of Germany. The storm of papal persecution first burst upon the Waldenses in France.

Persecution of the Waldenses in France
Popery having brought various innovations into the Church, and overspread the Christian world with darkness and superstition, some few, who plainly perceived the pernicious tendency of such errors, determined to show the light of the Gospel in its real purity, and to disperse those clouds which artful priests had raised about it, in order to blind the people, and obscure its real brightness.

The principal among these was Berengarius, who, about the year 1000, boldly preached Gospel truths, according to their primitive purity. Many, from conviction, assented to his doctrine, and were, on that account, called Berengarians. To Berengarius succeeded Peer Bruis, who preached at Toulouse, under the protection of an earl, named Hildephonsus; and the whole tenets of the reformers, with the reasons of their separation from the Church of Rome, were published in a book written by Bruis, under the title of "Antichrist."

By the year of Christ 1140, the number of the reformed was very great, and the probability of its increasing alarmed the pope, who wrote to several princes to banish them from their dominions, and employed many learned men to write against their doctrines.

In A.D. 1147, because of Henry of Toulouse, deemed their most eminent preacher, they were called Henericians; and as they would not admit of any proofs relative to religion, but what could be deduced from the Scriptures themselves, the popish party gave them the name of apostolics. At length, Peter Waldo, or Valdo, a native of Lyons, eminent for his piety and learning, became a strenuous opposer of popery; and from him the reformed, at that time, received the appellation of Waldenses or Waldoys.

Pope Alexander III being informed by the bishop of Lyons of these transactions, excommunicated Waldo and his adherents, and commanded the bishop to exterminate them, if possible, from the face of the earth; hence began the papal persecutions against the Waldenses.



http://www.ccel.org/f/foxe/martyrs/fox104.htm

[mannyamador]

They didn't establish it..... they merely affirmed that which already existed, well, at least earlier than the 4th century.

Wrong again. Check your history. The canon was NOT established until the Catholic Church established it. There were many "canons" containing spurious books which were later found to be not Inspired. It was ONLY the Catholic Church and no other body that established the canon.

This is the same canon that was used for over 1000 years. Even Martin Luther, who changed the canon to suit his erroneous preferences, acknowledged his debt to the Catholic Church for first establishing the canon of Scripture.

If you disagree, then kindly show me how the canon of the New Testament was established outside of the Catholic Church. The Catholic Church New testament canon is the same one used by Protestants, in case you haven't noticed. You can't, eh?

But I've already posted there's plenty that says the documents are all-sufficient...

No you haven't. You have not been able to post a single verse that EXPLICITLY states that the Bible is the ONLY source of Christian truth. NOT A SINGLE VERSE.

Neither have you been able to show that your PERSONAL interpretations of Scripture are infaliible. And that sinks any of your interpretations as well.

[mannyamador]

Here are the verses, just so people will see that you're peddling lies. These verses in no way support your silly interpretation.

Zec. 4:14
He said, "These are the two anointed 2 who
stand by the LORD of the whole earth."

James 5:17
Elijah was a human being like us; yet he prayed
earnestly that it might not rain, and for three years and six
months it did not rain upon the land.

Luke 5:25
He stood up immediately before them, picked
up what he had been lying on, and went home, glorifying
God.

1 Jn. 2:27
As for you, the anointing that you received
from him remains in you, so that you do not need anyone
to teach you. But his anointing teaches you about everything
and is true and not false; just as it taught you, remain in him.

1 Pet. 3:15
but sanctify Christ as Lord in your hearts. Always
be ready to give an explanation to anyone who asks you for a
reason for your hope,

2 Pet. 1:19
Moreover, we possess the prophetic message that is
altogether reliable. You will do well to be attentive to it, as to a
lamp shining in a dark place, until day dawns and the morning star
rises in your hearts.

Now does anyone see anything in these verses that commands we should compile a single book and make it the one and only basis for our faith? None eh? I thought so.

Biddle, you are lying outright or engaging in the most absurd twisting of Scriopture I have ever encounterd. What garbage!

hmmmm...i don't see or read anything that we should compile a book and base our faith on a book...

THAT'S RIGHT!!! :mrgreen:

[MrBiddle]

This is the same canon that was used for over 1000 years. Even Martin Luther, who changed the canon to suit his erroneous preferences, acknowledged his debt to the Catholic Church for first establishing the canon of Scripture.

Luther made mistakes, but he's NOT the rest of Christianity ;-b

[mannyamador]

but when you get to Rev. 11 it gets as clear as crystal..... it doesn't take a genius to interpret. when you get to the last book.....

No it doesn't. There's NOTHING explicit about it. NOTHING there says we should compile a book and base our faith on it and ONLY that book. You're conjuring up lies again.

if you think about it the Papal infalliblity was declared about 17 centuries AFTER the founding of Christianity even Peter made mistakes in decisions (Gal. 2: 11 - 15 ) And nothing ever states him as an exclusive vicar higher than one or any of the apostles, but rather he himself regarded his person as a fellow elder 1 Pet. 5: 1

You obviously are TOTALLY IGNORANT about what Papal Infallibility means!

It does NOT mean Popes can't make mistakes. It ONLY means they are infallible when explicitly defining doctrine. That has only happen TWICE in history, which is probably something you didn't even know. Personal opinions, even deeply held personal beliefs of Popes, are NOT included.

It is a mark of PREJUDICE to criticize a doctrine that one hasn't even begun to understand! Typical.

Luther made mistakes, but he's NOT the rest of Christianity

And so do you... ALL THE TIME!

[MrBiddle]

You obviously are TOTALLY IGNORANT about what Papal Infallibility means!

It does NOT mean Popes can't make mistakes. It ONLY means they are infallible when explicitly defining doctrine. That has only happen TWICE in history, which is probably something you didn't even know. Personal opinions, even deeply held personal beliefs of Popes, are NOT included.

It is a mark of PREJUDICE to criticize a doctrine that one hasn't even begun to understand! Typical

Di oi masayop gihapon read my earlier posts on Sirach and Rev12 how they contradict each other, specially Rev. 12 it's in the earlier pages...

I understand it... it's a lie. ex cathedra? Tinunto gihapon...