How to stop or solve the poverty in the Philippines?

[al1974]

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do you know whats interesting? nowhere in William of Occam's works could you see anything close to the word Razor or any object close to that in translation, RAZOR. i wonder who place the description there.

Kill the poor. We should learn from the Germans. This is more simple that high-falutin economic theories which never touches the ground.

Is this a sick joke? KIll the poor?

[giddyboy]

inorder for us to progress like our successful Asian neighbors, we should focus in producing OUR OWN BRAND of products for the international market.

AUTO INDUSTRY - Korea has their Hyundai and Kia. China has their Geely. The Phils has none to speak of. We shouldn't only be satisfied by being assemblers of foreign products or suppliers of some auto parts. Are we just OK with making jeepneys?

We are also one of the best producers of natural rubber. Why don't we make our own brand of tyres?

ELECTRONICS and APPLIANCES - Japan has their Sony and Casio. The US has their Apple. Korea has their Samsung. The Phils has none. We are only assembling for them.

MOVIE INDUSTRY - we shouldn't only focus on making movies only for the local market. Look how HK and China are doing nowadays. Look at India.

FOOD and its related INDUSTRY - yes, we have mangoes, pineapples, and the like. But we should not only limit to those. AFAIK, we were one of the top exporters of rice, coconut, and abaca before. and there is an open demand for processed goods to supply. Yes, we have international names like SMB, Lactopafi and C2, but other countries are churning out more diff products than ours.

GARMENTS INDUSTRY - yes, China has more edge but it shouldn't stop us from being more creative. Let us start by making our own fabric and threads, and not mainly dependent only from China.

FURNITURE INDUSTRY - yes, in terms of low-end furnitures like rattan, we are now out-edged by our other Asian neighbors. But it doesn't mean we can't be more creative, competitive and productive.

TOYS, GIFTS, AND HOUSEWARES - we are only fond of making handcrafted toys, handcrafted gifts and housewares. why not turn up the notch a bit like employing new technologies in plastic moulding and metal castings?

------OOO--------

JUST LOOK AROUND...

TOILET: when u go take a bath, ur soap & shampoo, are actually made in Thailand nowadays. even ur toothpaste (swerte nlng kng mugamit ka ug Hapee). even ur toothbrush is from China. the floor and wall tiles too.

SALA: ur tv is made by Samsung. ur DVD player could be cheap but it's not made here. perhaps the only one made in the Phils. is ur sofa.

KITCHEN: ur microwave, fridge and oven is foreign made. ur gas stove too. perhaps the only local brand u r using are ur plates made from Lucky Tableware and Joy dishwashing liquid. even ur NFA rice in ur cooker isn't local.

BEDROOM: most probably ur bed is from Mandaue Foam, well good. but in ur closet, all u have are probably brands like Levi's, Giordano, Guess, Mossimo, or Abercrombie, etc . Swerte nlng mka Penshoppe or Bench ka.

CARPORT: most probably u have a Japanese brand car parked in there. if not, a multicab from Korea, or a bike from Honda.

Take a look with what u r wearing now. Most probably, the only local brand u r wearing right now is your face. well, at least u myt be holding a C2 drink...hehe

[brownprose]

You have heard it. BUT haven't read entirely. No offense meant, but I believe you will understand it better if you read it. I was hesitant at first though but he has answers to all my hesitations as I read it.

Why? whats with the economic concepts? Are they laws of nature that will not change through time? Are they like scientific principles that can not be disputed? Did you know that a lot of things considered true decades ago are no longer true in the present?

Economic concepts are not ALL APPLICABLE all the time, anywhere. It can be true to some of the times and some of the places in this world. We are a third world country with third world wages spending and buying first world import goods. What economic concept can help that? What other things can be done? The theory says we need to have wages that we can live on and that is wages at par with the world market. Wage that is of fair market value. Read the theory bro, it is really something worth exploring.

I have read the theory already and had heard the discussion from the author himself Mr. Bentulan. I don't wish to put down the person behind it, but it seems he missed to see the science behind a "market-driven economy" which has been tested time and time again.

If you have read the theory well and believed it, then both of you are missing real economic concepts here. And yes, while you can't apply economic concepts most of the time, but you can apply those that are proven and tested. Thus the saying -- "If it ain't broke (accepted economic principles) why fix it?"

No.2 you and the author are not judicious in using economic data. You compare wages in affluent countries as basis why hyperwages can be applicable here. Does he know what BMI (Burger Mac Index) means? Did he ever study the impact of forex parity with reference to purchasing power between trading countries? That any adjustment in prices can dampen export markets? If he didn't, it can only mean he's just making up the theory without prudence.

No. 3 The theory plays on a skewed assumption that it will work because it invites foreign investments. This is REAL BS. How can you invite foreign investments with that if you're wages is not at par with countries offering the same job? Does your "theory" have any real data where it indicated a surge in foreign direct investment when hyperwage was applied?

I'm sorry, I don't even bite if hyperwage meets the criteria of being a theory -- it is very unintelligible, unscientific and best of it all -- it is unfounded!

[The_Child]

you seem too sure about your stand to eliminate the poor. you must be belonging to the upper class of the society here- the rich ones. If you do, is it inherited or is it your own doing? Do you not have poor relatives? Or do you just neglect them? Your so-called creatures (the poor ones), how do they make you suffer? Isn't the poor the ones who do the dirty jobs that the rich do not want to do? Can you live in a world without laborers? without maids? without ordinary people to do the least jobs?

Why blame the poor? Aren't the poor the victims of injustice, of unfair labor practice and numerous exploitation by the upper class?

You like communism. Ironic, because those who have experienced it would not want to be into it. It is a flawed system and nations are now realizing it.

Is this a joke? unless you scoff at solutions as a joke.
UpperClass nope? middle class, yep.
Dont you think this is better than Hyperwage? but i do have to admit, economics is not my cup of tea.

[rynzco]

the best solution ani kay stop corruption

pero ang pangutana unsaon mn?...hahayyy



maypa wla nalay politics oi para wla governo mangwarta og magbuot nato....hehe

mao ramn ghapon gud wla may kapuslanan ning mga tawhana cge lng pang hingi...
lupig pay kawatan...!!!!

[nItO/pIrEnA]

agree baya ko anang suggestion na hutdon ang mga pobre...pero dili sila patyon ha...

dili lang sila tugutan na manganak...eventually, mahurot gyud na sila (mi)...hehehe

para ra pud baya na sa ilang kaayuhan, at least di na masinati sa ilang mga anak ug mga apo ang kalisod...

[kharan]

Impossible until when the poor learns that the only way to improve their lives is for them to work and get education. Rather than blaming the govt as the cause of their poverty.

[shidokan98]

Impossible until when the poor learns that the only way to improve their lives is for them to work and get education. Rather than blaming the govt as the cause of their poverty.

unsaun man pag kuha ug education kung mahal kaayo ang bayad eskuylahan. ang kasagaran ana kay dili man gani ka afford ug kaon skuyla na kayha.

[thinkerbelle]

grabe man sab ning inyo solusyon na patyon mga pobre ui! ma-apil ko ani ug akong angkan...dpat nato lantawon na mga datung nasud maoy nagpapurdoy mau sa Pilipinas..pautangon ta maau to fund projects na wla man napusli nato but sige gahpon ta byad nya in the process ang nka-kwarta maau kay mga foreign suppliers ug mga corrupt officials nato.Poverty is a result of a nation's inability to support its citizens..

ang tubag sa kapobrehon kay strong political will to create real income for the state and cooperation of the citizenry,esp sa mga elite and middle-class.

kuyaw sab if pamatyon ni The_Child ang pobre dutay nlng mabilin sa Pilipinas wla nay trabahante...si tommy osmena unya manglimpyo imo tugkaran nya si margot mao mag-andam sa imo pamahaw.

[al1974]

inorder for us to progress like our successful Asian neighbors, we should focus in producing OUR OWN BRAND of products for the international market.

AUTO INDUSTRY - Korea has their Hyundai and Kia. China has their Geely. The Phils has none to speak of. We shouldn't only be satisfied by being assemblers of foreign products or suppliers of some auto parts. Are we just OK with making jeepneys?

We are also one of the best producers of natural rubber. Why don't we make our own brand of tyres?

ELECTRONICS and APPLIANCES - Japan has their Sony and Casio. The US has their Apple. Korea has their Samsung. The Phils has none. We are only assembling for them.

MOVIE INDUSTRY - we shouldn't only focus on making movies only for the local market. Look how HK and China are doing nowadays. Look at India.

FOOD and its related INDUSTRY - yes, we have mangoes, pineapples, and the like. But we should not only limit to those. AFAIK, we were one of the top exporters of rice, coconut, and abaca before. and there is an open demand for processed goods to supply. Yes, we have international names like SMB, Lactopafi and C2, but other countries are churning out more diff products than ours.

GARMENTS INDUSTRY - yes, China has more edge but it shouldn't stop us from being more creative. Let us start by making our own fabric and threads, and not mainly dependent only from China.

FURNITURE INDUSTRY - yes, in terms of low-end furnitures like rattan, we are now out-edged by our other Asian neighbors. But it doesn't mean we can't be more creative, competitive and productive.

TOYS, GIFTS, AND HOUSEWARES - we are only fond of making handcrafted toys, handcrafted gifts and housewares. why not turn up the notch a bit like employing new technologies in plastic moulding and metal castings?

------OOO--------

JUST LOOK AROUND...

TOILET: when u go take a bath, ur soap & shampoo, are actually made in Thailand nowadays. even ur toothpaste (swerte nlng kng mugamit ka ug Hapee). even ur toothbrush is from China. the floor and wall tiles too.

SALA: ur tv is made by Samsung. ur DVD player could be cheap but it's not made here. perhaps the only one made in the Phils. is ur sofa.

KITCHEN: ur microwave, fridge and oven is foreign made. ur gas stove too. perhaps the only local brand u r using are ur plates made from Lucky Tableware and Joy dishwashing liquid. even ur NFA rice in ur cooker isn't local.

BEDROOM: most probably ur bed is from Mandaue Foam, well good. but in ur closet, all u have are probably brands like Levi's, Giordano, Guess, Mossimo, or Abercrombie, etc . Swerte nlng mka Penshoppe or Bench ka.

CARPORT: most probably u have a Japanese brand car parked in there. if not, a multicab from Korea, or a bike from Honda.

Take a look with what u r wearing now. Most probably, the only local brand u r wearing right now is your face. well, at least u myt be holding a C2 drink...hehe

i dont agree. you dont have to be manufacturing to improve as a nation. take account - singapore and other countries who's not into manufacturing. they are successful but they are not into manufaturing. you can not be an island- you always need items from other countries and purchase from them. our problem are low wages which we use to purchase hi-priced import goods.