BangsaMoro struggle n grievances!

[ronaYo]

These are just few points i wanted to make....
1. The seccession issue of Bangsamoro in mindanao is not about religion, it's not about islam or muslim, it's is about land, they want to take back their land by means of autonomy or by seccession from Phil and form another country...
2. I would like to believe that the only relation of Bangsamoro people's (MILF) and Islam is that... it just happens that Islam was their religion... but they're not fighting about religion... it's pure CONCIDENCE!
3. I would like to stress again and again that Religion is not an issue here or whatsoever...
Leaders of these seccessionist group (MILF) has succeeded in tagging "muslim" or "islam" into their cause to make it look like it's a religious war, specially in the eyes of foreign observers...
And many of us ordinary people, the media, the gov't has fallen into this trap, we keep on using the word "muslim rebels" when in fact we don't need to! having the word "muslim" already connotes religion (the islam)... we should refrain from doing so, why? read my next point...
4. The so-called Bangsamoro people are composed of many tribes in Mindanao, the 3 most prominent tribes are Maranaos (frm Lanao), Maguindanaos (frm Maguindanao) and the Tausugs (Sulu and Tawi-tawi)... we also have Samals and the others, i forgot the others but there are other tribes... Comparing here in Visayas it's like, Ilonggo, Cebuano, Boholano etc... murag pareha ana ilang composition...
What's common with these tribes? It's their religion... Thus, wala juy apil religion ani...
5. The point i'm trying to raise is, it's wrong to say "Muslim rebels" if they wanted to be identified as Bangsamoro people or plain Moro, so be it... we call them "Moro Rebels" or "Bangsamoro Rebels"...
I believe mao jud nay saktong tag ani nila...
6. Now their fight is pure political, They have no right to harm, kill or terrorize the civilians or else they should be branded Terrorist, while the MILF leadership kept protecting Kato and Bravo but they are quick to distance themselves on the responsibilites of the atrocities these 2 terrorist commanders has committed...
Why? It they're branded terrorists, they would lose all bargaining powers...
7. I do believe that they have right to claim their ancestral domain... But these lands that they are clamining are presently under their control! Look at the vast Idle lands in Maguindanao! They could develop Marawi City and and build resorts in Sulu and sell as tourists destinations! Why war? MILF leaders could kick the butts of their corrupt mayors, governors, Run for office and develop these areas to set an example! That's it!
Maybe they could help make their places peaceful to attrack investors and create jobs for the people to be more self sufficient!

[giddyboy]

LOLz its(my previous post) so lame that you feel the need to give an answer. Very balance? Sorry sir,but to me its not,well you can always call it by different names.

you know why i keep my opinions balanced regarding our Muslim brothers? coz i don't want to be discriminatory. coz i want to be fair. coz i have few friends who are Muslims. i have distant relatives who are. coz i deal business with some of them. To me, religion is not an issue but on how you treat others regardless of race, culture, and age. HOW DO YOU DEFINE BALANCED? It is looking at both sides. As for you, there's no need to argue that u r only one-sided. IF IM NOT MISTAKEN, you are even bordering to the Muslim left.

so pasabot ana dili gyud ta mag abot...

LOLz asa man diay ka naglaroy laroy oi,naa pay pure AETA ron oi,na unsa LOLz. Unsa ko? layo naman ka sa subject sir.

i am wrong to say that wala nay pure aeta rn dire. actually, i've been to Zoobic diay and watched some aetas in action. what im trying to say is that Filipinos nowadays have mixed blood. and if i am part aeta, then i have the right for ancestral land? and if i am given the right for ancestral land, i also have the right to separate my land from the Phils? that's crazy! mao na akong point sa argument. anyway, this is off-topic.

The other point sir is, religion should not be the focus for ancestral domain coz not all ethnic tribes in the Phils are Muslims.

Ang issue lagi dili ng marginalization.

then explain what the real issue is. ikaw ra btaw ang ga mention anang "marginalization".

Read my news well?FYI ang akong news mas nag una pa sa mga news network diri. Naa man gani mga panghitabo didto nga wala ma news. LOLz

unya nganong wa nagkadimao man na ang imong facts in the first place beh? The raid in Kauswagan was done by the MILF led by Kumander Bravo and Cunto. Nowhere can i read that the military ang naghimo ato. ikaw ra man ang gamugna mugna nga sa military...LOLs

ni admit si commander? kinsa nga commander? e quote daw sir.

KUMANDER CUNTO:

"Cunto said he and his members decided to return to the folds of the law for fear that Kumander Bravo would run after them for not following his order to kill civilians during their rampage in Kauswagan on August 18. "---inquirer.net

aw di man diay ka mutuo ug news noh?

against ka? aw pag senator kay naa silay plano nga e federal ang pilipinas.

naunsyalan na man ka oi. Kung ma federalism diay, buwagon as in "separate" gyud ang provinces from the national government? pls read wiki nlng for cryin out loud. ky gatuo ka nga federalism ang tumong sa MILF? i think u got mixed up there. kung separatist gani, federalism diay? toinks! (actually, im even for federalism.)

They never asked to be a part of the constitution,pasabot sir nga sauna ba wa na sila nagkandarapa nga oi palihug i apil mi sa pilipinas,LOLz. hambugero man ghud kaau ka anang imong constitution.

wa ko nanghambog sa constitution sir. unsa pa man diay laing constitution ang atong hisgutan diay sir? sa MILF? toink!

tan-aw man gani ka foreign news or movies, so pasabot ana mga foreigner ra puede motna-aw ana kay foreign man? LOLZ ka immature nimo ug logic oi.

basaha ug balik ang imong gi-state sir ky murag imoha man ang "immature logic". Foreign news or movies para ra sa foreigner? KADAKONG TOINKS! LOLs

nganu diay ng ARMM? corrupt ug wa ka progress? nya mao ng imong basis nganung dili puede tagaan ug autonomy ang MILF? LOLz, kamo bitaw gi tagaan mo ug independence sa KANO, tan-awa gi unsa ninyo pagdala ang pinas? LOLz. Sauna number 2 ta sa asia next to japan karun sus apsan nata. Naa nata sa listahan sa pinaka corrup nga nasud. LOLz. Mao na sir ang issue is dili lagi ng kinsay mo lingkod or gi nsa pagdala ang issue is ihatag pagbalik ang dili inyo. bahalg unsaon pa na nila pagdala ang autnomous region bahalg magkapatay na sila diha basta ibalik ang dili inyo mao na ang isyo. GETS?

Ang ARMM was the result of the peace agreement between MNLF and the GRP. Now here comes some members nibuwag ug ni form ug MILF ky wa nka uyon sa MNLF. Nakig kurambos pa gyud sa JI, a notorious terrorist org. Nya tarong na? Political ug ancestral man kha ang ilang nature sa kawsa? that's a big toinks again!

ang gubat sa mindanao maoy rason sa atong pagka pobre? no need for me to respond to this point. LOLz it clearly shows your juvenile perception.

no. no sir. basaha ug tarong akong post. I said that Mindanao didn't progress like the rest of the country coz the armed conflicts was the main reason. Kinsa gud intawn investor ang buang mo invest sa lugar nga pirmi mag gubat?

lisod makig lalis ug separatist ug racial discriminatist? lolz. ill take it as a compliment salamat!

Salamat pud for confirming and showing your true colors. Apil nlng ug surrender doh para dghan na mo. ika 32 pa ka.

Gatuo cguro ka nga tanan ethnic tribe sa Mindanao parehog utok nimo ug sa MILF...

[r3roble]

One way to lessen the grievances of the Muslims in Mindanao, is for the Christians to stop discriminating against the Muslims.

There are other ways. Will post them in my blog: Gwapito.com - Personal blog of an opinionated cute guy!

toink.. mao ba? gi-discriminate diay nang muslims sa mga christians?
nga kahadlukan man gani ning mga muslim, wla man gani magsuran-surang ani nila sa ila teritoryo (like marawi and cotobato for example) nya idiscriminate na nuon..

adto marawi bro, sulayi discriminate ni sila diba mopauli ka magbit-bit sa imo ulo.. he he..

[giddyboy]

These are just few points i wanted to make....
1. The seccession issue of Bangsamoro in mindanao is not about religion, it's not about islam or muslim, it's is about land, they want to take back their land by means of autonomy or by seccession from Phil and form another country...

so why call it "Bangsamoro" in the first place kung dili religion-based? Bangsa = nation, Moro = Muslim.

6. Now their fight is pure political, They have no right to harm, kill or terrorize the civilians or else they should be branded Terrorist, while the MILF leadership kept protecting Kato and Bravo but they are quick to distance themselves on the responsibilites of the atrocities these 2 terrorist commanders has committed...
Why? It they're branded terrorists, they would lose all bargaining powers...

Supposedly political lage unta. mao btaw nahitabo sauna sa MNLF. Pero kaning MILF rn sagulan man ug "terrorism" maoy nka daut. why? MILF is linked w/ JI and Al Qaida. Plus unsay gibuhat nila rn sa mga helpless civilians. Sunog pa mga balay. call that political.

7. I do believe that they have right to claim their ancestral domain... But these lands that they are clamining are presently under their control! Look at the vast Idle lands in Maguindanao! They could develop Marawi City and and build resorts in Sulu and sell as tourists destinations! Why war? MILF leaders could kick the butts of their corrupt mayors, governors, Run for office and develop these areas to set an example! That's it!
Maybe they could help make their places peaceful to attrack investors and create jobs for the people to be more self sufficient!

I also believe the "lumads" have the right to ancestral domain. But being run by the MILF? i don't think so. Not all lumads are MILF. Much more that Mindanao is not represented by MILF.

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here's a brief history of "Bangsamoro" from wiki (balanced and not biased):

Early history

Bangsamoro was originally home to the Muslim sultanates of Mindanao (such as Maguindanao and Sulu). These sultanates resisted Spanish colonial rule, and were therefore not fully integrated with the rest of the islands.

American period

After the American occupation of the islands (as well as the Moro Rebellion) the area was slowly integrated into the rest of the country.

Moro Province is the former name of the combined and undivided provinces of Cotabato, Davao, Sulu, and Zamboanga.

Department of Mindanao and Sulu

The Department of Mindanao and Sulu was an agency of the United States colonial administration in the Philippine Islands tasked to administer all Muslim-dominated areas in the territory. It was established on July 23, 1914, pursuant to Act No. 2408, replacing the Moro Province after the latter was divided into the then districts of Agusan, Bukidnon, Cotabato, Davao, Misamis, Palawan, Sulu, Surigao, and Zamboanga.

It was eventually abolished in 1920, after the responsibility for the administration of Moro lands was transferred to the Bureau of Non-Christian Tribes of the Philippines' Department of the Interior. It was headed by a governor, subordinate to the U.S. Governor-General of the Philippine Islands. Frank C. Carpenter served as its governor from 1914 to 1920.

The area was occupied by Japanese Imperial forces from 1942 until its liberation in 1945. The local guerrillas used traditional weapons such as the Kris, Barong and Kampilan while aiding their liberators.

Post Philippine Independence

Two decades after the Philippines reclaimed its independence from the U.S., the area was claimed by the Moro National Liberation Front, who intended it to become the "Moro homeland" separate from the Republic of the Philippines. However, claims were suspended due to a peace agreement in 1996. Currently, the Moro Islamic Liberation Front (MILF) seeks to establish an independent Islamic state in this area. According to Tawi-Tawi Congressman Nur G. Jaafar, however,

“Mindanao is not represented by MILF fighters only. [T]he silent majority are the peace-loving civilians in the region who were forced to migrate to other areas to escape the hostilities of the rebel group.”

In 1990, the Autonomous Region in Muslim Mindanao was created to act as a homeland for Moros. However, only the provinces within the Sulu Archipelago (excluding the city of Isabela) and the provinces of Lanao del Sur and Maguindanao (excluding Cotabato) are currently included.

[kalimotko]

Gubat nalang ta oi kanang hutdanay ba. Maypa buhian ang mga ilaga didto.

[Mcmurills]

usa raman gyud ang ugat aning kagubot sa mindanao ba. tali ra gyud sa kristiyano ug muslim. lain kaau paminawon nga nag-unay ra gani ta puro Pinoy. unsa kaha sa kung walay relihiyon ba. walay muslim ug wala say kristiyano, pero kitang tanan PILIPINO.

[Jeffrey]

Bai, i grew up in Iligan. Yup i heard of their notoriety.

But i myself have heard how the Christians discriminate or make fun of the Muslims in usual conversations. As a teenager, ako mismo mag mo discriminate nila. Karon dili na, matured naman.

toink.. mao ba? gi-discriminate diay nang muslims sa mga christians?
nga kahadlukan man gani ning mga muslim, wla man gani magsuran-surang ani nila sa ila teritoryo (like marawi and cotobato for example) nya idiscriminate na nuon..

adto marawi bro, sulayi discriminate ni sila diba mopauli ka magbit-bit sa imo ulo.. he he..

[giddyboy]

usa raman gyud ang ugat aning kagubot sa mindanao ba. tali ra gyud sa kristiyano ug muslim. lain kaau paminawon nga nag-unay ra gani ta puro Pinoy. unsa kaha sa kung walay relihiyon ba. walay muslim ug wala say kristiyano, pero kitang tanan PILIPINO.

ang dakong problema ani nila (MILF separatists) is they don't even want to be called FILIPINOS just like Malic said (and maybe a fact for himself pd)...toinks! saun nlng...libog lng ko ky pwerte rba makatanaw ug FPJ or Pacquaio...

[ronaYo]

so why call it "Bangsamoro" in the first place kung dili religion-based? Bangsa = nation, Moro = Muslim..

NO bro, Moro is not muslim! Moro is indigenous to mindanao!, we don't call muslims in other countries Moro! Moro is a word used to describe this tribes and incidentally ang relihiyon nila is islam... Basig buot pasabot nimo "Moors" nga kontra sa mga crusaders sa europe, and again moors doesnt mean muslim...

Supposedly political lage unta. mao btaw nahitabo sauna sa MNLF. Pero kaning MILF rn sagulan man ug "terrorism" maoy nka daut. why? MILF is linked w/ JI and Al Qaida. Plus unsay gibuhat nila rn sa mga helpless civilians. Sunog pa mga balay. call that political..

Well, yes kitang mga observers should know how to distinguish political from terrorism... Bisan observers lang ta we play a big role... by showing strong public opinion on issues regarding this mindanao problem... One thing is true, what happend in Kolambugan and other areas recently attacked by MILF is an act of terror...

I also believe the "lumads" have the right to ancestral domain. But being run by the MILF? i don't think so. Not all lumads are MILF. Much more that Mindanao is not represented by MILF..

There are not much lumads in areas the MILF is claiming, Moro and lumads don't have much conflicts... the problem really are the visayan and luzon settlers in mindanao...

I really cringe when i hear muslim vs christian... because this not really the case... alot of us don't understand the conflict...

Bringing this conflict in this modern times, and judging on what recently happened... it's not really about Moro vs the Phil, i guess it's Moro Terrorists vs the Phil...

[Mcmurills]

at giddyboy,

mao gyud pre. kusog kaau mo tanaw ug fpj ug pacquiao. kuha raba kaau ang sinumbagan ni fernando.. hahahaha mao nay dili Pinoy loslos nalng ani nila..