BangsaMoro struggle n grievances!

[Malic]

@malic: the videos u posted were clearly biased in favor of the Moro separatists. They didn't even show a single iota of the other side. Yes, they are mostly history but the way its presented is in some way a form of propaganda.

it is just like saying 'give back the land to the Aetas" or "give back the land to Datu Lapu2x", or something like that. History is past. Yes, it is also important to look back once in awhile but the only way to peace is looking forward. IMHO, i favor the change of heart of the MNLF to agree to ARMM, a peaceful solution. I know the break away of some of their members forming a separatist MILF, but look how they behave themselves nowadays. Killing civilians and burning their houses is not in any way "civilized". It's not also in any way a standard for RULES OF ENGAGEMENT.

Ancestral domain is securing the rights of the "lumads". Lumads refer to indigenous people, not only Muslims but also other ethnic groups here like the Bagobos and Tbolis. It is nowhere in this description to make ancestral domains separate from the Philippines. Heck, for all we know, these Muslim separatists claiming to be "lumads" could have been migrants from nearby Malaysia...besides, who are still "lumads" nowadays huh?

Mao btaw gihimo ang ARMM to acknowledge ancestral domain in some way. Sorry to say this but i think this separatist cause they are waving about is very much tainted with opportunism, discrimination, indifference, and SELFISHNESS.

i know that in some way the Muslim people in Mindanao have been marginalized but it is the same story with the rest of the country. BUT IT IS IMPORTANT to decipher between marginalized by religion or ethnicity. Basing on ethnicity is deemed proper. But on religion? I don't think so. Our Constitution has no religion.

Ethnic tribes in Luzon were marginalized. Aetas in Samar were too. The point is, we are no longer living in ethnic clusters. We are living in a globalized arena where Caucasians cross w/ Asians to bear mestizo kids. Take a look for example in the U.S.. It is a melting pot of all races. Even the whites now are the ones marginalized by Latin-Americans, Italian-Americans, Afro-Americans, Asian-Americans, etc...Take a look at Hongkong. Take a look at Malaysia, India, or Singapore. They've progressed coz they have set aside ethnic differences and worked together forward. NOT BACKWARD.

If these rebels disown the Phil. gov't and saying Moroland shouldn't be part of the country in the first place, then they are not fit to be called FILIPINOS. Heck, they even shouldn't be fans of FPJ or Pacquiao.

Giving a brief background of the cause of their struggle is always a form of bias and propaganda to someone like you. well you are entitled to your own opinion that includes WEAK opinion. Weak because you fail to see the real message.


Why not? why not give back the land to the AETAS. Its their land,cguro youre one of those mestisos who preached christianity and in return took our lands heh?

thats my point sir, History is history and according to history MINDANAO was never occupied by the colonizers. They immoraly annexed the island of mindanao w/c was never part of the conquered lands.

thats what your ancestors did, mga manginiglad ug kawatan ug yuta nga dili inyo. The only way to give justice to it is to give it back again.

killing civilians? LOLz are you sure? do you have evidence to support it. Dont parrot what you heard over the radios and Televisions. The media was not there when it happened, they got the info from the military.Sometime in times of war its easier to blame the mistakes to your enemies.

let me paint a different picture sir...listen carefully...when the soldiers heard that there were rebels in that particular barrio, they came with their weapons but what they dont know was that the MILF already retreated. SOP required the soldiers to bomb the area first before giving a clearance. So they came and bombed the place not knowing that the rebels were no longer there, so instead of killing the rebels they miscalculated and hit the civilians. Naturally asa man nila e blame? sa ila? LOLz.

i have a lot more to say but i will refrain, due to the sensitivity of the subject.



Are the maranaos,tuasug, etc not lumads of that place? na unsa na gud ng imong judgement sir.

Sir we have no rights to judge and condemned whatever motives they have for asking ancestral domain. The issue is give back what rightfully belongs to them. Cguro ang naa sa gobyerno ang mga opportunista.


our constitution has no religion? hmm, in the first place these muslims never asked to be part of this constitution. they already have a self identity even before magellan. They already have their own laws governed by islam.



Again sir,its not the marginalization but self integrity.

they have set aside ethnic differences? are you blaming the poor governance of our country to some ethnic issues? LOLz. Corruption sir is the number reason why our country can not progress.


Yes they are not fit to be called pilipino, THEY ARE PROUD MOROS, that knows well their real identity . unlike many of us here proud kaau ta ana nga name pilipino. Base sa name ni king felipe sa panahon nila ang tawag nila ninyo is indios mga mestiso ug katsila ra ang puede asna nga name. nya proud kaau ka ana, maau pa si Marcos.

mao cguro dili ta mo asenso kay liwat ning pilipinas ni king felipe.

[nItO/pIrEnA]

i am a Cebuano first and foremost, a citizen of the Visayan Nation...the creation of a Moro State that would threaten the safety and interest of my fellow Visayans, and even jeopardize the safety of my homeland (Cebu) due to its proximity--and not to mention the desire of a fraction among its perpetrators to convert the entire archipelago to Islam--is totally unacceptable

[Malic]

i am a Cebuano first and foremost, a citizen of the Visayan Nation...the creation of a Moro State that would threaten the safety and interest of my fellow Visayans, and even jeopardize the safety of my homeland (Cebu) due to its proximity--and not to mention the desire of a fraction among its perpetrators to convert the entire archipelago to Islam--is totally unacceptable

The creation of a Moro state would threaten the safety and interest of your visayan land? gi unsa gud na nimo pag pa minsar sir?

to convert the entire archipelago to islam? LOLz ,sorry sir has but tungod sa propaganda sa mga oppurtunista na apektohan ka ug maau ang resulta paranoia.

[r3roble]

The creation of a Moro state would threaten the safety and interest of your visayan land? gi unsa gud na nimo pag pa minsar sir?

to convert the entire archipelago to islam? LOLz ,sorry sir has but tungod sa propaganda sa mga oppurtunista na apektohan ka ug maau ang resulta paranoia.

bro Malic, what if the MOA is only the beginning... and after this there will be more to come...
like the one posted by bro nItO/pIrEnA...

[giddyboy]

Giving a brief background of the cause of their struggle is always a form of bias and propaganda to someone like you. well you are entitled to your own opinion that includes WEAK opinion. Weak because you fail to see the real message.

wow what a lame conclusion as to my personal stand. making a balanced opinion is very difficult but at least i made the effort. i dunno about you. mind u, i have a very balanced opinion when it comes to our Muslim brothers. In fact, i have a few business friends who are "good" Muslims.

when i say "biased", of course coz the vids are coming from the MILF themselves. are u blind? HELP, CAN ANYBODY JUSTIFY THAT the vids are unbiased and non-propaganda?

Why not? why not give back the land to the AETAS. Its their land,cguro youre one of those mestisos who preached christianity and in return took our lands heh?

mura man kag naa pa sa panahon ni Mampor oi. Asa pa man ka mka kita ug PURE AETA rn? LOL

ako bay 1/4 aeta, 1/4 chinese, 1/4 spanish, ug 1/4 indo-malay. as in totally BISDAK gyud! ikaw unsa man ka beh?

thats my point sir, History is history and according to history MINDANAO was never occupied by the colonizers. They immoraly annexed the island of mindanao w/c was never part of the conquered lands.

How do u define "immorally annexed mindanao"? from MILF's definition? Lage proud lage mo kaayo nga wa mo na colonize.

thats what your ancestors did, mga manginiglad ug kawatan ug yuta nga dili inyo. The only way to give justice to it is to give it back again.

huh? naa ni titulo among yuta doh! ikaw naa? LOLs

killing civilians? LOLz are you sure? do you have evidence to support it. Dont parrot what you heard over the radios and Televisions. The media was not there when it happened, they got the info from the military.Sometime in times of war its easier to blame the mistakes to your enemies.

are u blind? naay tv sa inyoha doh? wa ka kita sa mga pamilya ga dangoyngoy abot na sa langit? so u now don't believe in news?

let me paint a different picture sir...listen carefully...when the soldiers heard that there were rebels in that particular barrio, they came with their weapons but what they dont know was that the MILF already retreated. SOP required the soldiers to bomb the area first before giving a clearance. So they came and bombed the place not knowing that the rebels were no longer there, so instead of killing the rebels they miscalculated and hit the civilians. Naturally asa man nila e blame? sa ila? LOLz.

huh? sa laing lugar man intawn na undo imo pasabot oi. the place where the military shelled was different from the place the MILF raided. read ur news well. aw dili man diay ka motuo ug news noh?

ngano mo defend pa man ka nga bsan c Kumander ninyo ni admit man gani?

Are the maranaos,tuasug, etc not lumads of that place? na unsa na gud ng imong judgement sir.

sir, did i say they are not lumads? i only cited a few examples ra oi. dili tanan.

Sir we have no rights to judge and condemned whatever motives they have for asking ancestral domain. The issue is give back what rightfully belongs to them. Cguro ang naa sa gobyerno ang mga opportunista.

sir, im not against giving ancestral domain but im against separating Mindanao from the State.

our constitution has no religion? hmm, in the first place these muslims never asked to be part of this constitution. they already have a self identity even before magellan. They already have their own laws governed by islam.

u clearly did not understand my point. Our Constitution states separation of church and state. that's why i said our constitution has no religion. way pabor2x kung unsa kang religion. Bsan kang Satanas pa ka.

now if u say they never asked to be part of the constitution, not all Mulsims in Mindanao is agreeable to that.

ok, self-identity kung mao na ilaha gusto. Bantay motanaw pa mong Pacquiao ha. LOLs

Again sir,its not the marginalization but self integrity.

self-integrity my arse. unsa na man diay nang ARMM?

they have set aside ethnic differences? are you blaming the poor governance of our country to some ethnic issues? LOLz. Corruption sir is the number reason why our country can not progress.

no. kanang gubat2x dha sa Mindanao is the number one reason Mindanao cannot progress. And naamong ang Luzon ug Visayas ana.

Yes they are not fit to be called pilipino, THEY ARE PROUD MOROS, that knows well their real identity . unlike many of us here proud kaau ta ana nga name pilipino. Base sa name ni king felipe sa panahon nila ang tawag nila ninyo is indios mga mestiso ug katsila ra ang puede asna nga name. nya proud kaau ka ana, maau pa si Marcos.

mao cguro dili ta mo asenso kay liwat ning pilipinas ni king felipe.

lisod makiglalis ug separatist. racial discriminatist pa gyud. useless.

[ed168III]

i think milf n mnlf contra ni sla, if phil govt. wil leave them, magcivil war lng ni, i think bangsamoro people does not consider themselves as filipino, but daghan ng pinoy nag puyo sa mindanao, i think they want dat civil war wil break in pero dli pwde kay dli ganhan ang mga pinoy n bangsa people.. ok na ang ARMM ngano iclaim pa man nla ang land.. tsk tsk.. sla ra say lugi ani kay ang gera naa sa ilang lugar, ila rang pamilya ang mag dagan2x n iharass sa military, balus2x ra baya ni sla..

self destruction lng ni.. wla bayay daug sa civil war, just imagine if the military will leave mindanao, mura jud nig africa, cgeg gera, i think moros hav ethnic groups, dats way armm dli kaau successful, there r other muslims dat does not like na within d control sla ni misuari..

lets just leave the problem as is, for me best solution for this is to educate more people in mindanao instead armas ila gunitan, ballpen na.. dli lalim gera, wlay hospital motagad nla, cgeg dagan2x.. at least ang gera ron, limited na compared sa panahon ni marcos, 3 times gsunog ang jolo, war in mindanao wil become smaller n smaller.. phil govt must never give up its sovereignty in mindanao.

[RLU]

brod malic, membro ka sa milf or mnlf or whatever? wala lang..ask lang ko...

[tingkoy13]

phil govt must never give up its sovereignty in mindanao.

mao jud bai,

[c_cebrecus]

Pure aeta LOL... nakatawa jud ko ani hahahaha

TS has his opinions but a very one-sided at that.. giving them/you their/your land back wouldn't stop them/you.. you will only ask for more..

[nItO/pIrEnA]

nanobra na man pud ni sila, grabe kaayo mo lay ug claim, when in fact bisan sa majority sa mga lugar na gi-angkon nila na ilang home turf, minority ra gihapon sila...gamay ra gyud baya sa ilang gitawag na Moro homeland kung diin Moros gyud ang majority