Faith ALONE can save us?

[boxingfan529]

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whatever kind of "faith" you call it, it is no longer credible in these modern times anymore - no exceptions - no excuses. people are smarter. di na basta-basta mailad like before we have evolved since then.

faith holds no place today as more and more people are waking up/disillusioned. can anyone honestly say that they found their faith by themselves? most of if not all of us were DICTATED what to believe and no matter what faith you convert to it is because someone else was better at telling you WHAT to believe in. so if people tell me that they chose to believe in this or that it is only because they only have one option to choose from. so where's the freedom in that? when you were born everyone is a catholic or a muslim or unsa pa diha.

since the day you were born you were already told the emperor is NOT naked and everyone who thinks otherwise is a FOOL.

in my case tokidoki, i chose my faith in my adult life. to do so, one need to ask oneself hard but honest questions that needs to be logically and rationally correct backed up with evidence such as archeology, ancient history, all reliable resources available, etc. out of that, you can decide for yourself.

e.g. questions:

- is there God? is evolution truth? how can evolution create a magnificent chances in man's anatomy? why the eyes is in the head? why your anus not beside your nose and mouth? why you have to ears and two eyes and located in a very strategic places? how can evolution through changes explain the anatomy and functions of the eyes? why is Jesus God? why does muslims says Jesus is just man? who is Jesus in the old testament? what's the difference of religions from one another? why should Jesus be Holy and Pure to be the perfect lamb of God? and the questions goes on and on... and in the end, if you seek your questions by heart, then you will find the TRUTH and the TRUTH shall set you free.

one need not to be believe in blind faith (faith you cant reason out; not the same level with a blind leading the blind). you can reason it out like paul in his epistles, and other people of faith.

[bahiista]

whatever kind of "faith" you call it, it is no longer credible in these modern times anymore - no exceptions - no excuses. people are smarter. di na basta-basta mailad like before we have evolved since then.

faith holds no place today as more and more people are waking up/disillusioned. can anyone honestly say that they found their faith by themselves? most of if not all of us were DICTATED what to believe and no matter what faith you convert to it is because someone else was better at telling you WHAT to believe in. so if people tell me that they chose to believe in this or that it is only because they only have one option to choose from. so where's the freedom in that? when you were born everyone is a catholic or a muslim or unsa pa diha.

since the day you were born you were already told the emperor is NOT naked and everyone who thinks otherwise is a FOOL.

@boxing...
thanks sa explanation...

i think you misunderstood the INDIVIDUAL/PERSONAL FAITH and the FAITH of a PARTICULAR DENOMINATION.

as i was reading your post it seems that your FAITH was managed and controlled by somebody. well that will never become faith at all rather more of "brainwashing". you said you were DICTATED to do these & that,if that's the case then surely you're not free.you're somebody's puppet. also it's not FAITH for me. i prefer to call it "DOCTRINE"...

I'm not an expert of these, i'm a bassist.
When we talk about FAITH it's like telling some one about things unseen, that's why it's called FAITH...
good example is the air. have you seen the air? nope we can't...even if you mix air with smoke, you see the smoke going along with air but you did not saw the air...but you can feel it.that's what FAITH is, anchored on things unseen.

what i'm trying to say is that, FAITH is an individual conviction/experience.
CONVINCING FAITH is not FAITH at all...

no one is wise enough to argue about FAITH, it's always up to you.what matters is that you have heard of it..

[boxingfan529]

@boxing...
thanks sa explanation...

i think you misunderstood the INDIVIDUAL/PERSONAL FAITH and the FAITH of a PARTICULAR DENOMINATION.

as i was reading your post it seems that your FAITH was managed and controlled by somebody. well that will never become faith at all rather more of "brainwashing". you said you were DICTATED to do these & that,if that's the case then surely you're not free.you're somebody's puppet. also it's not FAITH for me. i prefer to call it "DOCTRINE"...

I'm not an expert of these, i'm a bassist.
When we talk about FAITH it's like telling some one about things unseen, that's why it's called FAITH...
good example is the air. have you seen the air? nope we can't...even if you mix air with smoke, you see the smoke going along with air but you did not saw the air...but you can feel it.that's what FAITH is, anchored on things unseen.

what i'm trying to say is that, FAITH is an individual conviction/experience.
CONVINCING FAITH is not FAITH at all...

no one is wise enough to argue about FAITH, it's always up to you.what matters is that you have heard of it..

i understand faith just as you do. you are talking about faith like the one emphasized in hebrews 11:1 'Now faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see.' and many other verses. the word faith can be used also with certain belief (which is what you call doctrinal teachings) system or group.

blind-faith is just a buzz word that's not found in the scriptures but primarily describes about faith unreasonably accepted. accepting without trying to understand it fully in due process. but dont be confused about this description. for sure, this is not in the same equation as one verse that says 'blind leading the blind'. of course, i wont be surprised if someone have other different meaning.

actually, personal faith also starts with the doctrinal aspect of faith. the bible says, faith comes from hearing, hearing the word of God. it just mean, you understand with your heart and accept it as true. but there is a drawback on that too because everybody will always says that to their own religion or belief. you can even say, i have a personal faith on allah, buddha or any other deity from other belief. that's why, i encourage people to study their belief in a way logically and reasonably acceptable that passes all kind of scrutiny. just as apostle paul, he was critical in his belief system but was able to reason it out why faith is only enough for salvation, Christ death as a pardon of sins, believers are not under the law but by grace, etc.

as i have said, good if your faith is the absolute truth already but what if it is not? what if your understanding is sort of confusing and you cant reason it out to other people?

there is always that notion that people of faith cant reason it out articulately and convincingly. people always hear such phrases as 'ah basta mau na akong pagtuo' without giving explanation why behind such belief.

as for me, i am a bible believer that accepts and believes regeneration of the soul, the deity of Christ, salvation by faith, priesthood of every believer, etc.

[bahiista]

@boxing...
thanks again...

after the words "thanks sa explanation..." the message was for tokidoki.
sorry wasn't able to insert to whom the message was suppose to...

@boxing..may i inquire from what church r u? just pm me

[tokidoki]

regarding your analogy with air it is a very big difference when you say:
"i KNOW there is air." vs "i believe there is air"

In our case I have no faith in air. I KNOW there is air. At least sa case in air you one of your senses can detect it - breathing/our skin. Unlike the not-of-this-world where NONE of your senses can feel it except it's all in your mind.

When Clive Barker wrote about Pinhead (or how he manifested Hell as a sadist's world) in Hellraisr it doesn't mean that such a person or being exists but yet most of the people who watched the movie are terrified and even dream about it. Does it make him any real? Only in the mind of Clive barker.

[eightball]

save from where? what? drowning? nahhhh

[tokidoki]

as i was reading your post it seems that your FAITH was managed and controlled by somebody. well that will never become faith at all rather more of "brainwashing". you said you were DICTATED to do these & that,if that's the case then surely you're not free.you're somebody's puppet. also it's not FAITH for me. i prefer to call it "DOCTRINE"...

mao gani, some people here have "previous" churches before what they are now. but majority here I wouldn't exactly say really "converted" because ni balhin from a catholic to another christian church. so that is not really a choice because it's the same faith with a different way of viewing things (that's even the reason why christianity is at war with itself). No different than me or any christian born on this world. That's like buying a model of Toyota brand na car. If nag-Vios ka ang pikas nag-Altis but it's still a Toyota. hehehe...

Anha ko mo bilib na dili mo brainwashed if you switched from a christian belief to a non-christian. As in totally eradicate christianity from your faith.

[NASYO]

and no religion too.

Imagine all the pipol..


Living life in peace.. wooooohoooooo hoooooo

[tokidoki]

...you could say that i'm a dreamer. but i'm not the only one.

[bahiista]

if that's you..this me too
i need no to make you bilib in me or someone nor prove myself...
like what I've said...the important part is that we have heard of it once or twice..and the rest is up us...