The Myth of Monogamy

[emow]

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wats your personal judgement on this regard?

[tokidoki]

hay, i really hate it when someone uses the excuse "kay tao ta lahi ta". that's just superiority complex bs! Kind of hard to admit that there's some underlying cause for our decisions, is it? I don't blame everyone. We want to believe we are free.

[Soul_Captive]

The other sexes are not exempted, of course, but it is a phenomenon spearheaded by the male specie..And I am sure there are a lot of legitimate and scientific studies about this..
And it is true that we are different because we are humans..It's not any BS..We have brains which are supposed to drive and decide for us and not those other parts of our bodies which are obviously not supposed to be always followed in order to maintain order..Yes, we have the instincts which we share with animals, and our prime reason for existence is to procreate, but we are humans, and there is a need to create order amongst us since we have the capacity to create destruction for all (which goes back to the brains that we have)..Monogamy is a way of creating order among human beings..Otherwise, we live like animals in all aspects when we are capable of finer things..

[MRchurchill]

under normal conditions resilient. but sa ako gyud observation we can never tell how we would react under extreme conditions. Mao na mga kaila nako mag 2 time sabton nalang nako. A lesson I learned, DO NOT JUDGE IF YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND.

I'll give you circumstances where instinct takes a back seat to better judgement under extreme conditions. Police officers trained to apprehend alive the same people attempting to kill them when the instinct of survival dictates to kill. A hungry man who has not eaten in days yet will offer his food to a younger child when his instinct tells him that he must survive. A priest or nun who works with prostitutes and the like yet refuses to have sexual intercourse much more procreate when it is a natural instinct.

These people under these conditions have been trained or taught about how to act under the given situation. They are aware of the consequences of their actions and so they act accordingly. So when people you've given your heart to **** other people even when they know they shouldn't, then you have every right to get mad.

[tokidoki]

@Soul_Captive: The only thing that I agree with is the 2nd from the last sentence.

@MRchurchill: Your arguments are all wrong and doesn't prove any point that they are thoughts and not instinct. You've seen videos of cops in action. All training goes out the door when they are under extreme conditions some run some cry and some die. A clarification, it is NOT called an instinct to kill. It is called the FIGHT OR FLIGHT instinct. Cops have it too but if they kill or apprehend that's entirely up to them. There is no underlying logic in that. Why do you think hero cops say in interviews: "You only have your INSTINCTS out there."? Sila mismo ni angkon nya you talk on their behalf? I'd imagine the only time they think is how to put their INSTINCTs into action. Again, FIGHT OR FLIGHT - or call for backup.
A hungry man gives food to a child that's MATERNAL INSTINCT (2nd time nana ha na naa instinct).
A priest or nun doesn't have *** with prostitutes kai makadaut na. Geez, that is not even an example of an extreme condition! The only reason nothing happens between them is, again, the INSTINCT of self-preservation. They'd rather live than die with an STD. Again, that's another INSTINCT - FEAR. Fear of humiliation. I guess there is no judgement in those actions you described.

For the sake of my satisfaction, if someone gave me an argument that ISN'T "human-specific" OR "gender-biased" OR "religiously-oriented" maybe I would take the statement seriously. More things have been killed in all those 3 reasons - especially the latter - than any other reason known to man. In other words, I want OBJECTIVE statements. I want to find answers not start a two-sided debate.

Humans are run on chemicals. It dictates our actions.
When we are hungry that is a chemical reaction - andrenal glands trigger the hunger hormone.
When we are tired a chemical responsible for the drop in our response is in effect.
When we are sad that is a chemical reaction - a drop in natural stimulants in our bodies.
When we are angry that is testosterone.
When we are horny, again, a chemical reaction - estrogen/testosterone in the system.
And when I tell you you are wrong that is not me talking - that is, again, testosterone.
And when you retort, again, that is testosterone - the male INSTINCT to want to feel superior than another male and that is perfectly fine with me. It is still instinct after all.
And, the most famous chemical reaction of all, LOVE - a heightened level of euphoria. I forgot the name of the chemical responsible for this.
Resourcefulness is yet another instinct. Kung ang tao mangita ug paagi that's still another survival instinct
I daresay that even homosexuality is a chemical reaction.

I am still not convinced that we are free thinking individuals.

[splendid moonlight]

I've seen a glimpse of an episode of CSI where a teenager's mammary glands were starting to produce milk because she was CONVINCED she was pregnant; but she wasn't actually. I'm not sure if that has happened in real life but how do we know THOUGHT doesn't come first before any chemical reaction occurs to support it?

How do we know we weren't horny first before a chemical reaction happens to aid us incase we would choose later on to do something about it?

How do we know we hadn't led ourselves to believe we were hungry before any chemical reaction in our stomachs build up to make sure we get something before we start believing ourselves to dying?

Doesn't the thought of driving come first before the car actually moves? Its battery didn't just fire up all by itself; it needed an outside extension (the human) to switch it on: turn the keys, fire up the engine and step on the necessary pedals (not good with car terminology but you get the idea).

For all we know the brain is the 'extension' of the rest of the human body, and the human body is a machine that the brain can manipulate. How do we know the machine (the rest of the human body) is extremely hard to get used to, that's why sometimes we do things we shouldn't do?

[tokidoki]

Involuntary functions are not the the product of willful thought . By default, you cannot tell your stomach to stop digesting or your heart to stop beating. So please lang, again, don't anybody give me that "this buddhist guy was able to stop his stomach/heart by thought" BS. THAT IS NOT NATURAL.

That's how we know something else is in motion BEFORE we think. I don't even have to think about that. It's a given.

Remember, we are talking about human instinct. If you don't know what's going on because there are already pre-programmed routines in your head that do micromanaging of your entire body. Imagine what would happen to you if you have to think about how to move every joint, every process that goes on in your body. It would drive you nuts! We don't think about how we walk after we learn it. We just do. So putting it in action is instinct. If infidelity happens, what does the partner use as the most BASIC excuse? "Sorry, hon, it just happened." Clue nana that we are not in control. The reason why the rest of you wala pa ni patol ug lain is because kulang pa diskarte ang stalker. hahaha... Kung baga it's saying: "you're not hot enough for me to cheat on my bf/gf. try harder!"

And using a car as an analogy for the human body is not a reliable reference. . Nothing moves in a car when it's turned off - except maybe the clock. Some parts of the human body can run without a brain. It will still send signals to the brain if it is in pain or anything else.

I can't help but notice that your understanding of instinct does not involve the human brain? Instincts still require processing. It just takes a back seat to our field of awareness.

And before someone says unsa ka ngilngig ang mind and body sa tao, EVERY living thing also has these features. The problem with all your comments is that you want to believe, as human beings, we are the most superior of all animals. But the sad reality of it all is that WE ARE NOT. I would like to remind again please refrain from giving comments of this nature. I have already accepted that there are creatures far more superior in this world. It is this humility that has brought me to think like this.

There is still so much of existence as a whole that we have not yet understood.

"There is no reason. There is ONLY cause and effect." -- The Matrix

[tokidoki]

Btw, I have also seen an episode in "Is it real?" in Natgeo about stigmata. I guess it's true that the human mind can WILL something to happen. That will be for another topic in the future. I'm still trying to undertand it.

It is not far fetched. I believe they were able to prove that the human mind can will injuries into his body. But what proves that it was just a power of the mind and not some divine power is that incidents about it before and after works of art depicting Jesus being nailed on the wrist instead of the hand also reflected this change. People before it had stigmata on the palm. People after the artwork had stigmata on the wrist. So much for divine intervention.

This is what I want to search for in the future. If the mind can manifest something by thought alone what else is it capable of doing?

Ang kahadlok ana is someone tries to think he is God and actually succeeds before someone else does.

[genesis04]

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I am still not convinced that we are free thinking individuals.[/quote]

if i may ask, how then did you come to all these conclusions if man operates at an instinctive level? how did you even come to be a member of istorya? how do you decide where to go or what to do? i can go on and on with any questions but im sure you get the point.

It is true that everytime we do something, chemical reactions occur in us. And I do agree that instincts play a role in what we do. But what separates us from animals, and its something that you refuse to acknowledge ( i dont know why) is that man has the capacity to think. Man has the capacity to override those initial urges. Man has always been a RATIONAL being..and always will be. No matter what you think or believe. And that is what separates us from animals. (i hope i do not have to give examples of our "superiority" (the capacity to think and make logical decisions knowing fully well the consequences/effects of our actions) over other animals..

[tokidoki]

No, your point makes no sense whatever it is.

I came to istorya with an INSTINCT to interact with other people. Again, instinct. I have the instinct to interact with people - then think about how to do it - then the instinct to use the internet. It's a cycle. Di na mawala ang instinct.

I don't see how WAR, CORRUPTION and VIOLENCE quantifies your statement about RATIONAL beings. Nice argument. Since the beginning of history, man has never been a rational being. LOVE, WAR, GREED have been catalysts for this irrationality. Now if indeed humans were rational beings, all of our vices would be isolated incident and not on a global scale. But it IS a global scale. So in conclusion, man has not been a rational being. Many a philosopher and scientist have proven this to be true. Hey, I did stupid things too when I'm in love, or angry, or scared, where was my rationality then? Wala! Puro ra impulse or instinct. But I'm not ashamed of it. It's called BEING HUMAN - where his emotions are his weakness. If you want to talk about how i was thinking then it's obvious you haven't read the link because you are under the impression that I'm assuming we purely don't think at all. Was it instinct that automatically drew you to post a reply without reading the first thread? It also sounds like you are implying that animals are incapable of independent thought. Have you ever been a dog or a bird to make YOUR CONCLUSION? Now I wonder where you got that idea. Do you really feel that high and mighty? :-/

Please go on with your questions. I can go on refuting your superiority complex all day.

In fact, it's your disrespect for other creatures in this world that got us in "world out of balance" in the first place. Someone made this world perfect and we made it into something else. Nice job for a superior being! Do you throw trash in the sea too?

To convince me with your ego tripping. I would like you to go on on one with a dolphin in swimming or would like to go mano e animalo with a lion? I will shut up if you come out of that fight as the SUPERIOR species. In the UNLIKELY event that you will win that would then prove you are right but let me ask, have you felt less human when you lost to other human beings? C'mon! You were brought up that way, so again it is not YOUR FREEDOM that leads you to believe na mas maayo paka sa uban. No matter what you are LEAD TO BELIEVE (kai ako think or believe man kaha ko. At least you gave me freedom to choose) there are laws in this world that are enforced by it. You were DICTATED by others that we are superior even if we are not. Mas datu pa ug mas ngilngig pa si Henry Sy nimo, does that make him more human and you lesser? So maskin mo ingon pa ang tao "Sukad karon wala nay gabii". Yet the sun will set and rise EVERYDAY. Kananag superiority paradigm nato is "a lie that is agreed upon in history" as what Bonaparte says.

I can go on reminding you how inferior you are to other BRILLIANT creatures without a malicious bone in their body while at the same time proving that none of your argument are the least bit objective. Something YOU refuse to acknowledge.

But what separates us from animals, and its something that you refuse to acknowledge ( i dont know why) is that man has the capacity to think.

Again, I hate it when someone tries to justify himself as someone DIFFERENT from the animal kingdom because "tao siya". Is it that degrading for you to accept that we are no different? Maypa wala nalang ka duawa ni Jesus, dong! Coz compared to a God you are inferior and yet he didn't even give me an argument as arrogant as yours! I don't remember God saying: "Di nako ipadala akong anak diha kai mga TAO mo nya kami GINOO! Lahi mi minyo!" Ang ginoo mismo nagpaubos para nimo nya ikaw wala nagpaubos sa iyang gihimo? Nidako man hinuon ang ulo! He made all this creations equal and here you are, MAN, claiming he is above all else. Yet another FINE example about our irrationality. We are just like everything else he created. This really proves my point. I'm not surprised that my topic is unacceptable because you will ALWAYS believe you are higher than everything else. TESTOSTERONE for short. Some religions would claim we are higher but religion is a design by man. Siyempre we "design" it in a way that pampers our egos.

Next please. Btw, did anyone even bother read the link or was it just INSTINCT that just pushed you guys to just blurt out na "angal ko!"? hehehe....

i want an open minded idea PLEEAAAAAASEEEEE!!!!!! I got to these ideas by being open minded. Wala gyud diha tao maka ingon "it's like this... but then again naa pud ni... nya naa pud ni...kuyawa noh?" A Child-like enthusiasm to the issue. Be proactive pud mo oi! Proactive people ask the "what ifs". Other people will just say "coz it was like that". I'm trying to introduce another angle here in our life.

"is there no one else?" - achilles