Second Look on Islam

[Malic]

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prophecies from the bible for Muhammad(pbuh)? what bible? your bible w/c dont contain the original copy. Where revisions upon revisions were made? where selected by few people to be the word of God and rejected other scriptures. Mas motoo cguro ko kung si Jesus pa ang nagbuhat ana. In other words sir,you cant make the bible as authority to validate The Prophet Muhammad's prophetic office.


Well, at least your being honest to say this, Quran is more accurate. But isn’t it interesting about the dead sea scroll, the oldest religions writings found dated about 2000 years? Older than Koran… And if you compare it today, its the same. So, God and the Jews took good care of the scriptures. So, at least sa books did2 naa man lang untay special mention si mohammed diba, I mean his greater than Jesus?

what do you mean its the same?

Sir ask yourself why people would revise and omit and split verses in the bible? pasabot sir naay mga dili magkatugma ang mga bersikulo.

by the way sir the dead sea scrol is not the original manuscript therefore ACCORDING to your scholars they are not inspired and it contain serious error.

For example the last verses in the book of mark. In other sources you cant find those verses but some christians would include it in the bible because the manuscript from where they based their work has it. Then also in the king james version, where supposed to contain these verse" There are three that bears witness...the father...the Son...Spirit..." but in the old manuscript you cant find it there. LOLZ

Then there are inconsistencies in the numbers, when it speaks of the age of a certain king. and there are serious errors in the numbering of some horses and stables.

Christian scholars would say ,"well ang hebrew numbers man gud kung matoan or gamay lang stroke nga masubra ma usab daw ang number" thats how they justify it, BUT hey...hebrew numbers in the old manuscript was not written in hebrew numerical but was written in WORDS. LOLZ.


The compilation of the koran and other islamic scriptures were done one year after the death of The Prophet of God(pbuh) and the original is still here in contrast sa bible,wala na ang original. from the time of The Prophet they practice recitation,they would memorize the Holy Koran from cover to cover with melodies they would recite it. Today there are more or less 10,ooo muslims who can recite it from cover to cover there are even children young as 10 who can memorizer it. This is a practice done in the past. A great care is being done to preserve this tradition.

[Malic]

Interesting…

John 1:1

The verb “was” from the Greek en. Being in the imperfect tense in Greek grammar, speaks of the eternality of the Logos. This means that before things began, the Logos was already in existence. The title Logos is very important philosophical and theological term. Greek philosophers believed that Logos was the impersonal power which holds the universe together. Alexandrian philosophers also taught that the Logos was a powerful being, but inferior to the supreme being. But John wrote that the Logos is a distinct person who is equal in being with God. This is emphasized by the clause of the word God in Greek is Theos. This has no article and it is the first word in the last cause. There is a very important rule in Greek grammar which state that the presence of the article identifies, but its absence qualified”. This means that Theos in the last clause describes the Logos as God in His being, not a small god, as some groups teach. He is a distinct person, eternal and equal in being with the Father.

My goodness, well, at least you found something that will show you how wrong some people are.


Let me first say this. The book of John is considered by early christian scholars as a non-gospel manuscript. The authorship is also unknown, some would even go further to say that this should not be included as the fourth gospel.

The jews were heavily inlfuenced by greek thoughts during that time,a lot of them can even speak greek, a proof that Greek culture has somehow shaped the mind of these Jews.

thank you for bringing this up because it reminds me of what i studied. This concept of God in the flesh and God used logos as His power is purely GREEK not jewish. You know greek people believes in many gods including theos.

Theos:Theos - Greek Lexicon

a god or goddess, a general name of deities or divinities
the Godhead, trinity
God the Father, the first person in the trinity
Christ, the second person of the trinity
Holy Spirit, the third person in the trinity
spoken of the only and true God
refers to the things of God
his counsels, interests, things due to him
whatever can in any respect be likened unto God, or resemble him in any way
God's representative or viceregent
of magistrates and judges


As ive said God made into flesh is purely greek. The doctrine of trinity was never preach in the old testament. Only later specially by paul.

The origin of the word is greek and greek use this ,mean gods or goddess or God's representative or viceregent.

and because they were heavily influenced by Greek thoughts these intellectual christians as they try to conceptualize the Hebrew God they brought in Greek perspective into it rthus you have God made in the flesh or logos because the concept of logos is not also jewish but greek.

lets study the word Eli,thats a title for Yahweh.

When Jesus cried out he said.."Eli eli"

Hebrew:

Eli
Elli

Arabic

ala
allah

Sounds almost the same because these two languages are related.


Greek:

Theos

spanish:

Deus


The spaniard came they taught us to call the God of the Hebrew as:

Dios


So...who is nearer to the original? So theos or Dios is not the Hebrew God but a title for a greek gods or goddesses.

[Malic]

Some Muslims would deny Apostle Paul’s name in the Quran… But you cannot deny that John and Peter are found in Quran. Hehehe But what did Peter write regarding Paul?

2 Peter 3:14-18 (King James Version)
14Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.
15And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
16As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
17Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.
18But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and forever. Amen.

Though Peter cannot fully understand Paul he endorses his epistles! And Paul was well received by all apostles based in the accounts on ACTS…
that's why Christians believed that Jesus is God

maybe at the early strages of Paul's ministry he was doing the right thing but at the later part he was doing something esle that irked James. Well Peter is very kind but not James and the Jerusalem church. Paul in his later ministry broke out from the Jerusalem church and accused James and the Jerusalem church as being heretic.LOLZ si JAMES ug iyang followers mga heretics toink. Mas naa pay authority si James kaysa ni Paul. James saw and heard the teachings of Jesus personally.In otehr words mas katohoaN ANG pagtolon an ni james ug sa Jerusalem chrch kaysa kang paul.

[Malic]

how about mohammad? is it true that he was possessed by a jinn?(demon). i think this is relevant, because if this was true, then he is not at all trustworthy to write a holy book.

you mean something like this?

[b]“And again the anger of the Lord was kindled against Israel, and he moved David against them to say, Go, number Israel and Judah” 2 Samuel 24:1.



Then in 1 Chronicles 21:1, David was provoked by Satan to number Israel:



“And Satan stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel.”

Was it Satan or God?

[Malic]

read mode here...
my father is a Maranao..but we kids and my mother didn't practice jud...so,,i'll just read para naa pud koy info mahibaw-an about sa "akong" half religion...

welcome sister! or should i say half sister,heheh joke!

[Malic]

why is it muslim countries are so hostile to christian missionaries and muslims are very much welcome to preach in the west?

Not all muslim countries are hostile.

but wait what do you mean by hostile? because even here in our country some chrsitians are hostile to muslim missionaries.

[Malic]

Can't Islam stand by its own merit without using quotes from the Bible? Does it need the Bible to prove its validity?

When christian defend their faith they use the Bible and do not cite quotes from the Koran or any other religious books. Can you not do the same?

Believe me Islam can stand. We dont Need the bible to prove islam.

I am using it to correct some mistakes w/c some of you come to embraced.

[kalanrakas]

how arrogant. islam came 600 years after christianity and then it says it has a correct interpretation of history.

regarding "christian hostility", are you prevented from practicing your religion?

[KungfuPanda]

nganong hilig man ug patay ang muslim?

[kalanrakas]

nganong hilig man ug patay ang muslim?

Which shows that Muslims and Christians do not worship the same god.

The Christian God died for his people. The Muslim god wants his people to kill for him.

Ang mga muslims ra ang naay concept anang jihad. The muslim god wants his people to wage war for him. Ngano diay siya? Di niya kaya nga manugo pa man?