Everything about : RH Bill ( Reproductive Health Bill)

[m1000]

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silly gyud, kay PROPAGANDA man tawag aneh... pati condom tawagon sa mga pari og pang abort....intawn dili man ta pariha saunang century na maitoy itoy kay naa na man tay tv, libro, internet...

maayo nis manny at least regular man ning iyang menstruation....

naa untay poll ani... kun kinsay agree og disagree

[shaven.poodle]

@ mannyamador: abogado man siguro ka sir, feel nako. but NOWHERE man sa RH bill ga-state nga allowed ang abortion, wa man pud gi-change ang existing laws on abortion. Ang giingon didto nga women seeking care for post-abortion complications shall be treated and counseled in a humane, non-judgmental and compassionate manner. This is our job, to treat patients for whatever medical problems they have, and TO SAVE LIVES!
Ga wonder na jus ko ngano antagonistic kaayo ang CHurch towards this policy...when the problems related to pregnancy and cases of pregnancy-related deaths which face women today are VERY REAL..
for example, uterine atony or failure of the uterine muscles to contract after giving birth--resulting to massive bleeding and death. Day after day giatubang ni namo. Ma prevent unta ni if di kaayo sobra ang kadaghan sa panganak, para dili ma-stretch ug dili ma-lax ang uterus.
Maybe it is you who is blind to these problems. Wa pay labot ana ang economic crisis nato karun.
Wa man intawon giingon sa Bill uy nga i-legalize ang abortion. And get your facts straight. Daghan sayop anang data nimo about sa contraceptives, I think outdated na imong sources. It's better for the public to be well-informed about ***, reproductive health, STD's and the consequences of irresponsible ***. *** is a part of life... ASk your priests about it, kay not all of them are celibate as they claim to be. We wouldn't be here today without it.

[shaven.poodle]

silly gyud, kay PROPAGANDA man tawag aneh... pati condom tawagon sa mga pari og pang abort....intawn dili man ta pariha saunang century na maitoy itoy kay naa na man tay tv, libro, internet...

maayo nis manny at least regular man ning iyang menstruation....

naa untay poll ani... kun kinsay agree og disagree

agree!!!!!!!

[shaven.poodle]

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How can BARRIER CONTRACEPTIVES BE CONSIDERED ABORTIFACIENTS?
"The pill, mini-pill, Depo-provera, and Norplant are NOT merely barrier contraceptives. The have an abortifacient function. Even the makers of the Pill describe how it creates a hostile endometrium. These are abortifacient. The information is in the previous posts."

I guess you don't know what "Barrier contraceptives" are. Barrier gani, condom or diaphragm, barrier sa reproductive tract to prevent passage of sperm. This does not refer to the ones you mentioned above. Barrier contraceptives prevent contact between the ovum and the sperm, thus preventing fertilization. These also protect us from STD's, especially the dreaded HIV and HPV which could result in cervical cancer. SO HOW CAN THESE HAVE ABORTIFACIENT FUNCTIONS? What is there to abort if walay fertilization in the first place. I think you have to learn the mechanisms of the different contraceptive methods, natural, or artificial, barrier, sterilization, etc., before you make any hasty conclusions after reading false information. Be as it may, Natural or Artificial, the intent is still the same, to control and prevent unplanned pregnancies, di ba?

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We all have the right to decide what we feel is best for our bodies ug para sa atong peace of mind.
"What about the rights of the murdered child? Oh yeah, I forgot... some conveniently like to think of them as less than human. "

Who is talking about murder here? the RH bill does not promote abortion, but merely promotes awareness of the options available to us to prevent unplanned pregnancies. Sobra ka ka melodramatic... We do not think of these fetuses as less than human. Wa man sad ga-advocate nga ipakuha if mabuntis. Mas maayo pa mag-educate sa public on safe and RESPONSIBLE ***. Ignorance is the villain here.

[t3ChNo™]

I reviewed all the discussions in this thread. I added a Poll for you to vote if we need this Bill

[digitalsuperman]

kanang image nga gipost ba.. paita.gamiton lagi ang pangalan sa ginoo para mo apil2x sa politika...gabaan unta na sila oi... unsa naman ni atong simbahan katoliko oi..

[edshark]

i totally agree sa kani nga bill.. though murag pareha2x ra mn ni sa HB 4110 or reproductive health care agenda act of 2001... bitaw dapat ma educate lng jd ang uban tawn esp. naa sa mga probinsya.. coz nakasaksi pd tawn ko kay mananabang akong papa(quack doctor or trained hilot) but kumbaga licensed na cya since and supported by the local government.. and sya gani mismo nipagawas nako... sus dli ko kalimot nga naa jd tawn dili makabayad sa iyaha tungod sa kalisod, and if naa mn gani uban mohatag pero dli insakto dn pakapinan pa og storya nga "Nong pasensya ha kini ra jd among kwarta, manghulam napod ko karon kay ipalit og sud-an sa akong asawa" so if ikaw ang mananabang unsa pd kaha ang bation.. so akong papa.... naghuna2x pd tawn sa kinabuhi sa inahan og sa bata..dli nlng niya dawaton kundi ipapalit nlng niya og pagkaon.. and iyaha lng ingnon nga dapat mag control.. and mo suggest kon unsa ang angayan buhaton... pero ang common nga tubag? "Last na bitaw ni nong... kay lisod jd bitaw kaayo" but after a year... buntis napod... ang storya? "Unsaon, pagbuot mn gud sa Ginoo" ohhh my gulay..... ang kini nga HB kailangan lng jud og proper education sa mga tao and proper dissemination.... basta wlay abortion nga gi mention, coz it is still illegal...

[wng]

We have to support this bill. It's just appropriate for our economic and population problems.

Di na lang gyud ta maminaw anang simbahan. Am no expert on Natural Family Planning, but who is the bishop or priest to tell us that this is the only method that is authorized. I agree with shaven.poodle, do they know better when they are supposed to be celibate? I don't care if someone there has an ob/gyne degree... Di gyud ko mo recommend check up kung ang ob/gyne pari... And with the *** abuse scandal now, di sad gyud ko mo recommend check up kung ang pediatrician pari...

We just have to see the facts and statistics ourselves. Barrier and sterilization methods are NOT abortifacient. And oral contraceptives are not abortifacient although some people may say there's like a 1.1% chance that fertilization occurs and causes "chemical abortion" because of a "hostile endometrium". Even that has not been confirmed by studies. Why is it not confirmed by studies? Because even if it is not found to be abortifacient, the Catholics who number more than 1 billion are still NOT allowed to use them due to the Humanae Vitae written in 1968. If someone will come up with a pill that causes a "friendly" endometrium, puwede na diay na siya sa Catholic church? Di gihapon. So why bother? Asa man na sila naka claim nga MOST contraceptives are abortifacient nga statement? Unsa may naka MOST ka? If motoo gyud ka mo ug bothered gyud ka anang slim chance nga naa unya "abortion", then you have the choice of NOT using it yourself. Ayaw lang na apila ang uban nga not bothered by the small chance which is still unproven pa gyud.

Maayo sad nga naa tay health worker ari na forum. Kay mangutana kuno ko kung ok mo anang mo dispense ug contraceptives? If NFP ra gyud ang i-allow, kapait sad ninyo intawon no. Ka imagine ko inyo trabaho ka sa barangay health center kung kamo mag NFP training...

Hoy, nganong ga gwantis man ka... di man ka na kinahanglan? Di man ka ko nimo tigaan ug gwantis? Kuhaa gud na imong gwantis para ma feel nimo kung sakto na ba na kapilit ang akong cervical mucus... Sige, kada buntag, mo ari unya ko sa wa pa kaligo kay para makit-an gyud nato kung pilit na ba gyud. Pahikap nako nimo kung OK na ba na kapilitonon... Ayaw lang pag gwantis para sure gyud... Then next month... namabdos ka? Nga perti nako pagka sure nga OK to maghimo mo sa imo bana kay ako gud ang ga hikap sa imong cervical mucus (with bare hands pa gyud, sa mga way kaligo sa tanang babae didto sa slum area)... Unsaon nga di naman kaantos akong bana nga sobra man diay 2 ka semana nga di puwede mohimo. Unya ang akong bana namugos naman ug paghuman lang sa akong mens, di naman kahuwat... Hala, ganahan diay mo aning training job gihatag sa church ninyo? O sige na lang, ihatag na lang nang condom diha oi...

We really need to control the population. Lots of people say we're overpopulated. A handful here says we're not. But however you look at our problems, having even more people does not help our economy. Quotes from Mao Zedong are even used to say we're not overpopulated. What happened after Mao Zedong? The Great Chinese Famine and the one-child policy. Then there's Sheldon Richman. Who is he? He's an American whose article was intended so that developed countries will stop funding population control programs. So we have to believe him? His article is more than 10 years old. One of his quotes was that in 200 years, the world population has increased six fold and the economy has increased 80 fold. If we follow that logic, since the population of the Philippines increased 12x in 100 years, then we should be increasing our economy 160x? Wow, we should be a 1st world country. Why are we even using the arguments and quotes of these people?

The UNFPA (UN Population Fund) gives us aid. That is the same agency Sheldon Richman would not like to fund. Are we turning down their aid because we believe in Sheldon Richman? Ambot na lang gyud aning logic. Daghan na ta kaayong bata manglimos diri. Unya atong nasod mismo nanglimos na para tabang aning naglimos diri. Unya naa pa gyud mo ingon nga molambo gyud ta kung daghan tawo pareha sa Japan ug sa Singapore.

Na-unsa baya. Nganong di man Bangladesh, Pakistan and Nigeria ang imong ikompara oi. Our educational system is now ranked behind Indonesia and Vietnam. We were already behind Malaysia and Thailand years back. And our school attendance is DECREASING as a portion of the population. Molambo gyud ta? Japan, S Korea and Singapore all have close to 100% school attendance for their children. We have a pathetic of less than 90%. Mas maayo pa sauna kaabot pag mga 92%.

Kalisud na gyud karon. Sauna mga poor, moingon pa nga ibaligya ang kabaw. At least naa pay kabaw. Karon, hasta kabaw wala na gyud. Unsaon man nga mas kusog pa man manganak ang mga tawo kaysa sa kabaw.

[mannyamador]

@ mannyamador: abogado man siguro ka sir, feel nako. but NOWHERE man sa RH bill ga-state nga allowed ang abortion, wa man pud gi-change ang existing laws on abortion...

I think outdated na imong sources. It's better for the public to be well-informed about ***, reproductive health, STD's and the consequences of irresponsible ***.

I don't speak Cebuano so I can't reply to everything you wrote. But I will reply to the two parts above that I understand.

The Bill promotes abortifacients

First, while it is true that the Bill claims it will not change anything about the law on abortion, that is actually just a clever legal ploy. The bill doesn't legalize abortion, but it promotes abortifacient contraceptives. Atty. Jose C. Sison pointed this out in his July 18 article in the Philippine Star ("A Bishop's Courageous Stand"):

It is true that Section 3 of the substitute bill approved by the Committee on Health states that "nothing in this act changes the law on abortion, as abortion remains a crime and is punishable". This is precisely where the deception lies. Such declaration merely means that abortion is not being legalized. There is a great distinction between promoting abortion and legalizing it. In fact the bill is actually promoting abortion, something that remains illegal, because in another section, it gives women the right to choose between the artificial and natural family planning means of birth control and makes available a wide range of contraceptives

It has been repeatedly pointed out by medical tests and actual experience, especially in the USA where the powerful International Groups pushing for this bill are based (Planned Parenthood, UNFPA), that some of these contraceptives cause abortion. The IUD prevents a fertilized egg - "a new little human being" - from implanting in the uterine wall. The pill does not always stop ovulation but sometimes prevents implantation of the growing embryo. The new RU 486 pill works altogether by aborting a new fetus, a new baby.

I also pointed out something similar about a specific provision of the Bill in my blog post on May 26, entitled "Railroading a Deadly Agenda":

Section 9 (Hospital-Based Family Planning) specifically subsidizes the use of IUDs (insertion of the device is performed in a hospital). The IUD, however, is NOT just a contraceptive. It is also an ABORTIFACIENT. The IUD does not only prevent ovulation. Rather, it also works by affecting the uterine wall so that it prevents a fertilized ovum — which is already a human being — from implanting. The Philippine Constitution specifically protects human life from the moment of conception. The IUD clearly violates that principle.

Sources and evidence

As for my sources, I have already pointed out that the abortifacients have not changed their function. The NFP studies are not out of date because the methods tested are still used, Economic arguments span decades so there's no question about them going out fo date. And i have used the latest Philippine population statistics.

In contrast, I have not seen any contrary evidence submitted at all! If you think my sources are outdated, then why haven't you been able to show me any whatsoever? I have shown evidence, no one else has shown any.

Others

As for barrier contraceptives, take note that the Bill does not limit itself to the promotion of barrier contraceptives. it promotes ALL kinds of contraceptives, which includes abortifacients. it is deceptive to focus only on those when the Bill itself does not.

[diatabz]

Ok, so the bill has some gray areas and needs some streamlining (just like any other bill, for example the Cheaper Medicines Act) but the overall premise of this resolution is to provide information and options for Filipinos who want -and most of the time need- to plan their families. NFM sure as hell isn't working, since most folks are too undisciplined to abstain from ***. Add the fact that not everyone believes in recreational *** being wrong.

The debate on over-population being good or not is beside the point. We know it's a problem and though one may argue that it's due to the status quo being unfair or whatnot, it is nevertheless a problem that won't go away by itself. Cliche as it sounds, drastic times call for drastic measures. I'd rather have this act than our own version of the PRC's One Child Policy.

My point is, give this bill a chance. Let congress run with it for a while so they can streamline the thing and please everyone.