Roman Catholic "confessions"

[templarz]

Here is the link bro...

Female Pope, Rosemary and Darroll Pardoe

[newtonscousin]

who misinterpreted it?

Exodus 31:16–17
16Therefore the Israelites shall keep the sabbath, observing the sabbath throughout their generations, as a perpetual covenant. 17It is a sign for ever between me and the people of Israel that in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.’

-the Israelites shall keep the sabbath
-It is a sign for ever between me and the people of Israel

Sabbath is intended only for the Israelites! beginning Moses 'till Jesus resurrection..

Prior to Moses, did the time of Adam, Abraham and Noah observe the sabbath?

newton, if you dont recognise the New Covenant done by Jesus Christ on the cross, then you must review your bible study

done already bro, and even studied your doctrines.

but it shows different. even your leaders accepted it already that "We Catholics do not accept the Bible as the only rule of faith"
Peter R. Kraemer, Catholic Church Extension Society (1975),Chicago, Illinois.


Catholic Virginian Oct. 3, 1947, p. 9, art. "To Tell You the Truth."
"For example, nowhere in the Bible do we find that Christ or the Apostles ordered that the Sabbath be changed from Saturday to Sunday. We have the commandment of God given to Moses to keep holy the Sabbath day, that is the 7th day of the week, Saturday. Today most Christians keep Sunday because it has been revealed to us by the [Roman Catholic] church outside the Bible."

[vanjhnn]

Here is the link bro...

Female Pope, Rosemary and Darroll Pardoe

In the middle ages, there was a “Pope Joan,” a woman who hid her gender and rose through the

ranks of the Church, became a cardinal and was elected pope. No one knew she was a woman

until, during a papal procession through the streets of Rome, she went into labor and gave

birth to a child. She and the baby were killed on the spot by the mob, enraged at her

imposture.

A lot of things are said about the alleged “Pope Joan.” Depending on who is telling the

story, she was a courageous feminist, a clever opportunist, a brilliant scholar who couldn’t

make it as a woman in a man’s world. She is said to have been a wise ruler and an astute

theologian, though, oddly, no decree or theological teaching purporting to have come from

her has made its way down to our day.

In any case, the fact is, there was no Pope Joan. She exists only as pure legend, but one

that makes for a sexy story. And when it comes to sexy stories, you know Hollywood will try

its hand at making a blockbuster out of this piece of pope fiction. New Line Cinema (that’s

right, the same good folks who produced The Last Temptation of Christ) has reportedly bought

the movie rights to Pope Joan, the best-selling 1996 novel by Donna Woolfolk Cross. Her book

is couched as an historical “novel” — embellishing on a grand scale the rather sparse

details that have clung to the legend of a brilliant, plain girl who rises to the highest

levels in Church service, culminating in her being elected pope by an unsuspecting college

of cardinals. The way the book is written and the way it’s being promoted support my concern

that it will be seen by most of its historically ignorant readers, not as a novel, a

fiction, but as a real biography of the one woman who “made it to the top.” When the movie

comes out, this problem will certainly grow in proportions.

It’s important to remember that even if there had been a female impostor pope, this would

just mean that an invalid election had taken place, nothing more. Other invalidly elected

claimants to the papal office have come and gone over the centuries, and the fact that a

woman made that list would simply mean that a woman made that list, She would not have been

pope — no one invalidly elected would be. And nothing in the Church’s teachings about the

papacy would be injured or disproved.

But in reality, the Pope Joan story is all sizzle and no steak. The basic outline of the

main legend (actually, there have been several competing legends over the centuries) has it

that in the ninth or tenth century, a plain but extraordinarily brilliant young woman

contrived to enter the university disguised as a man. Her intellect outstripped her male

classmates and she shot to the top rank of students. Talk of her prowess in law, science,

rhetoric, philosophy and languages was widespread.

In another legend, popularized by several 13th century works such as the Chronicle of Martin

Polonus, the Universal Chronicle of Metz and Wonders of the City of Rome, she traveled first

to Greece with her boyfriend (why he wanted a girlfriend who disguised herself as a man is

unknown), made a name for herself in the university there, then traveled to Rome.

Here all the legends converge into the main one that has come down to our day. Once in Rome,

Joan managed to enter religious life (although no legend is able to say which order she

entered), was ordained a priest and earned a high reputation as a notary in the papal court.

Eventually, she was noticed by the pope and made a cardinal. You can guess what happens

next. She is eventually elected pope, takes the name John, and sets about skillfully ruling

the Church, It’s at this point that the most dramatic scenes of the story unfold.

The legends vary as to how Joan’s gender and identity were discovered. One holds that she

was granted a vision by God in which she was shown two options for her fate, being

discovered and disgraced by the world or roasting in hell for her crime. She chose the

former. Another version says she got pregnant by one of her curial advisors and somehow was

able to maintain the charade until she gave birth to the baby. At that point her secret was

discovered and she was deposed as pope and sent to a convent to do penance for the rest of

her life. According to this legend, the child she bore went on to became the bishop of

Ostia, about 30 miles southwest of Rome, and when she died, he had her body buried there. Of

course, no evidence exists to support this.

The main detail these legends have in common is that Joan was discovered because her hanky

panky with a cardinal or secretary resulted in pregnancy, and the childbirth exposed her

fraud. The main legend is the most gory on this point. In it, Pope Joan goes into labor

while riding in her sede gestiatoria — the portable throne in which popes were carried — as

her procession passed the Coliseum on its way from St, Peter’s Basilica to St. John Lateran

Cathedral. The procession halted, the baby was born, and the confused and angry onlookers

killed Pope Joan and her baby on the spot. Most accounts say she was killed by stoning,

another says she died in childbirth as the mob watching the spectacle shouted and insulted

her. Still another says she was dragged to death behind a horse as punishment. Either way,

the legends agree that the Romans didn’t appreciate the unpleasant discovery.

Several odd historical details gave weight to the legend, including the fact that among the

carved busts of the popes in the cathedral of Sienna was one of an unnamed woman, No one

knows who created it or how it was put there, but when Pope Clement VIII (reigned 1592 —

1605) discovered it, he ordered it reworked enough to represent Pope Zacharias, whose image

had not previously been included in the collection. This is not surprising, though, given

the widespread belief in Europe in the Pope Joan legend during the 13th through 18th

centuries. Versions abounded, and many credulous folk, Catholics included, were sincerely

convinced that there had indeed been a female pope.

But the facts of history show otherwise. The primary proofs that this is all just a fable

are these: First, the earliest point that we can trace the legend to is the mid-13th

century, but the legend didn’t really gain wide currency until the late 14th century. No

evidence of any kind exists from the ninth century (when Pope Joan was alleged to have

reigned), nor do we see any in the 10th through 12th centuries. None of the annals or acts

of the popes that were written between the ninth and 13th centuries (and none after that,

either) mention her.

Church historian J. P. Kirsch wrote that “Not one contemporaneous historical source among

the papal histories knows anything about her, also, no mention is made of her until the

middle of the 13th century. Now it is incredible that the appearance of a ’popess,’ if it

was a historical fact, would be noticed by none of the numerous historians from the 10th to

the 13th century. In the history of the popes, there is no place where this legendary figure

will fit in. Between Leo IV and Benedict III, where Martinus Polonus places her, she cannot

be inserted . . .” (Article on Pope Joan, Catholic Encyclopedia, 1913).

So where did the legend come from? There are two likely possibilities, The first is that the

Roman population became disgusted with the corrupt influence wielded over Pope Sergius

(reigned 904-911) by the powerful and wealthy Theodora Theophylact, and more specifically by

her young daughter Morozia, a cunning and exceptionally attractive woman. It appears that

Morozia was Sergius’ mistress and bore him at least one son (the future Pope John XI). The

fabulously wealthy and prestigious Theophylact family wielded immense power in Rome during

the 10th century, even, sadly, over several popes. This is a sorry episode in the history of

the Church, one which displayed a decadence and immorality that even popes, at times, could

fall prey to — a reminder to us all that men, even the holiest of men, are not invulnerable

to temptation and personal weakness. Despite their sins, Christ’s promise that the Church

would be protected from error was not, nor has it ever been, broken.

From the details of Sergius III’s pontificate, it seems clear that he was a vain, violent

and sensuous man. It’s quite possible that the disgusted faithful took to mocking him or one

of his immediate successors because he was perceived to have been under the influence of the

Theophylact women. Some historians trace the legend of a female pope to Morozia, saying the

people called her “Pope Joan” to mock the weak popes she controlled, in the same way some

American first ladies have been called “president” to mock their perceived weak husbands.

Another possible explanation for the Pope Joan legend lies in the conduct of the much

maligned Pope John VIII (reigned 872-882). He appears to have had a very weak personality,

even perhaps somewhat effeminate. Cardinal Baronius, in his Church history Annals, suggests

that John VIII’s reputation as effeminate gave rise to the legend. Indeed, it would seem

that over time, the common folk added ever more lurid embellishments until the vulgar jokes

about the hapless (and certainly male) pope ballooned and metamorphosed into a female

“popessa.”

[necrotic freak]

done already bro, and even studied your doctrines.

but it shows different. even your leaders accepted it already that "We Catholics do not accept the Bible as the only rule of faith"
Peter R. Kraemer, Catholic Church Extension Society (1975),Chicago, Illinois.


Catholic Virginian Oct. 3, 1947, p. 9, art. "To Tell You the Truth."
"For example, nowhere in the Bible do we find that Christ or the Apostles ordered that the Sabbath be changed from Saturday to Sunday. We have the commandment of God given to Moses to keep holy the Sabbath day, that is the 7th day of the week, Saturday. Today most Christians keep Sunday because it has been revealed to us by the [Roman Catholic] church outside the Bible."

its not outside the bible mr. newtons. na sipyat lang mo pag sabot kung unsay tuyo sa Ginoo sa pag hatag sa commandment ni Moses ngadto sa mga Israelites.

Are you a Jew or a Christian (Gentile)?

Catholics believes in the Bible and Holy Tradition.

Jn 21:25: not everything is in the Bible.

2 Thess 2:15; 2 Tim 2:2; 1 Cor 11:2; 1 Thess 2:13: Paul speaks of oral tradition.

[templarz]

Diba ang Ten Commandments para ra mana sa mga Israelites, way labot ang gentiles?

[newtonscousin]

"Perhaps the boldest thing, the most revolutionary change the Church ever did, happened in the first century. The holy day, the Sabbath, was changed from Saturday to Sunday. "The Day of the Lord" (dies Dominica) was chosen, not from any directions noted in the Scriptures, but from the Church's sense of its own power. The day of resurrection, the day of Pentecost, fifty days later, came on the first day of the week. So this would be the new Sabbath. People who think that the Scriptures should be the sole authority, should logically become 7th Day Adventists, and keep Saturday holy."
Sentinel, Pastor's page, Saint Catherine Catholic Church, Algonac, Michigan, May 21, 1995


“If Protestants would follow the Bible, they would worship God on the Sabbath Day. In keeping the Sunday they are following a law of the Catholic Church.”
Albert Smith, Chancellor of the Archdiocese of Baltimore, replying for the Cardinal, in a letter dated February 10, 1920.

[templarz]

Ah! mga scholar diay ni..

[newtonscousin]

"If we consulted the Bible only, we should still have to keep holy the Sabbath Day, that is, Saturday, with the Jews, instead of Sunday; ..."
-- A Course in Religion for Catholic High Schools and Academies, by Rev. John Laux M.A., Benzinger Brothers, 1936 edition, Part 1.

[necrotic freak]

@newtonscousin

palihug ayaw panguha ug source sa dili mga catholic websites. kung gusto ka ug sakto nga source ug ka tuhoan adto ko sa catholic generated website gyud mismo. dili sa mga anti-RC sites sama aning Sabbatarian site imong gi kuhaan..

http://www.biblesabbath.org/confessions.html

[newtonscousin]

@newtonscousin

palihug ayaw panguha ug source sa dili mga catholic websites. kung gusto ka ug sakto nga source ug ka tuhoan adto ko sa catholic generated website gyud mismo. dili sa mga anti-RC sites sama aning Sabbatarian site imong gi kuhaan..

Roman Catholic and Protestant Confessions about Sunday

what do you think about the sources which i provided?
do you think they are Seventh-day Adventist?

the most important i guess is the one who stated the statements, dba?
and it appears they are some of your church leaders.

thanks for the site you provided, but i never visited it yet.

below are the sites where i took all those statements

What do you think about Saturday or Sunday being the Sabbath? The Sabbath is Saturday? - Yahoo! Answers
Roman Catholic and Protestant Confessions about Sunday and the Bible Sabbath