Faith ALONE can save us?

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wala man siguro tay laing gihisgutan diri kundili pang Ginoo man...dili naman siguro na angay pa nakong i emphasize ang buot ipasabot ani nga thread...

faith in God ang topic diri dili faith in Talpulano...

Aw o diay noh.. Sorry gud.. hehe
Akong gusto isulti ba, di diay na magkuyog ang faith in God og good work?
Kung walay good works, lahi tingale na nga Ginoo..

[pal]

sO MAWALA na ang 'Faith without work is DEAD' hehehe Supakon nya tingali si Saint James.

Mao jud..

Nganu lisuron man jud?

[arubinkun]

i'd like to share mga bro ug sis sa ako nakat-onan this is how salvation is acquired and what is the result of salvation...

A simple exlpanation...

Formula for salvation: Faith in Christ + Grace of God = Salvation

It all starts with you...

Eph 2:8-10
8For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9not by works, so that no one can boast. 10For we are God's workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.

This tells us that good works cannot save you nor faith plus good works does. In verse 8, it is emphasized that salvation is a gift, when you say a "gift", it is something that you don't work for but something that you receive for free by asking for it. Kung imo pana siya gi-work, tawagon ta na siya ug wage or earnings not gift.

This also makes it equal for everyone and brings back the glory to only one which is Christ. In verse 9-10, gi-klaro jud diha nga wala jud ka buhaton but just to have faith kay kung involve pa and works, mugawas man gud dayon nang pagka "boastful" sa mga tawo. Naa man jud na musulti nga "ako jud, klaro jud kong saved kay ako gud ga-invent sa cure sa cancer!", pahambugay na dayon bah, makalimtan na hinuon ang Ginoo kay mafocus na sa ato ug atong gipangbuhat ang salvation.

Result of salvation: Saved + Blessings of the Holy Spirit = Good Works

The result goes to the people around you...

Acts 1:8
But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you; and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth."

2 Cor. 9:12
12This service that you perform is not only supplying the needs of God's people but is also overflowing in many expressions of thanks to God.

Romans 15:13
May the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace as you trust in him, so that you may overflow with hope by the power of the Holy Spirit.


When you get saved, you then will be blessed by the Holy Spirit which in turn will fill you with its great anointing. Just like a cup which is half full, ang Holy Spirit, i-fill up na niya ang wala pa napuno ug iya kang pour.an sa blessings and tungod sa kadaghan sa iya i-pour, mag-awas². Karon, asa man padulong ang mga awas²? adto sa ubang tawo kay ma-urge man ka nga mushare sa blessing. How do you share the blessings, by doing what the holy spirit tells you to do, deeds of the Holy Spirit... Good Works.

You have to remember, people who don't know God can also do good works. People that don't have faith in Christ, can do great deeds... What makes you any different, because its the Holy Spirit that's telling you to go out to the world and be God's witnesses. So God gives you a warning about "good works"...

James 2:26
As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead.

Ephesians 2:10
For we are God's workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.

these verses tells you that you have to have the spirit first before you can say that deeds that you do will be recognized by God. And the only way to have the Holy Spirit dwell in you is to have faith in Christ and be saved by Him...

This is what I have been taught, just to let you know how it is explained from our side... I hope I made sense...

[NASYO]

thanks aribunkin, na-enlighten ko da..

[bcasabee]

from

CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Faith

Faith in relation to works

(a) Faith and no works may be described as the Lutheran view. "Esto peccator, pecca fortiter sed fortius fide" was the heresiarch's axiom, and the Diet of Worms, in 1527, condemned the doctrine that good works are not necessary for salvation.

(b) Works and no faith may be described as the modern view, for the modern world strives to make the worship of humanity take the place of the worship of the Deity (Do we believe? as issued by the Rationalist Press, 1904, ch. x: "Creed and Conduct" and ch. xv: "Rationalism and Morality". Cf. also Christianity and Rationalism on Trial, published by the same press, 1904).

(c) Faith shown by works has ever been the doctrine of the Catholic Church and is explicitly taught by St. James, ii, 17: "Faith, if it have not works, is dead." The Council of Trent (Sess. VI, canons xix, xx, xxiv, and xxvi) condemned the various aspects of the Lutheran doctrine, and from what has been said above on the necessity of charity for "living" faith, it will be evident that faith does not exclude, but demands, good works, for charity or love of God is not real unless it induces us to keep the Commandments; "He that keepeth his word, in him in very deed the charity of God is perfected" (1 John 2:5). St. Augustine sums up the whole question by saying "Laudo fructum boni operis, sed in fide agnosco radicem" -- i.e. "I praise the fruit of good works, but their root I discern in faith" (Enarr. in Ps. xxxi, P.L., IV, 259).

[NASYO]

nindota sa sharing oi

[rcruman]

basin. tingali. murag.

ang importante, naka-ila ka sa imo kaugalingon.

so mao diay niy basihan sa kaluwasan ang makaila sa kaugalingon?
or ang makaila sa GInoo mao ang basehan?

Peace!

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Ephesians 2:8-10 (New International Version)

New International Version (NIV) Copyright © 1973, 1978, 1984 by International Bible Society


8For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9not by works, so that no one can boast. 10For we are God's workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.

basaha gikan sa verse one bro og makita nimo ang pasabot nga "not by works".

Peace!

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he he... naghisgot lagi ka ug love bro...
sorry kaayo ha? abi nako wala ka ani... if naa ka ani, correct ba if moingon ko nga nahigugma ka ka bro Nasyo?

basag bible balik bro og makita nimo unsa klase nga LOVE ang pasabot sa verse.
og makita nimo nga lahi sa LOVE nga imo nailhan og sa gusto nimo ipabuhat.


PEace!

[rcruman]

as long as walay tao natamakan.. religious or not.. we will be saved...

what's your basis?
any biblical proof to support this one?

Peace!