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    @ XIDOR .... if you review my reply close and comprehend to its deepest core , you'll figure out that I am totally the opposite of what you just said towards me . The point is , I was only proving you wrong that RAPE can happen anywhere else , you dont have to be a " LAKWATSERA " , " SLUT " and " INVITING/TEASER kind of GIRL " . Rape can happen even in the very homes where we sleep , eat and relax comfortably with the very people who can actually be doing the issue we are tackling and feared the most . I just want to prove you wrong and I just did a couple of pages because IGNORANCE has no space for critical issues like these .

    Regarding VINCE RUSSO's statement , its exactly true . We dont have any solid and concrete evidences in the physical form because the news and reports we read and hear came in too many versions that we dont really know which one is which . The bottomline though is that a VICTIM came out and idenified the SUSPECTS .
    " A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. " - 2nd Amendment , Bill of Rights of the United States of America

  2. #172
    What we saw on the video was not reliable either. Remember that the girl was drugged, most likely she was not in her normal state of mind.

  3. #173
    since most of you are focusing your attention at the victim. here's a short undergrad topic for you.

    Victimology – The study of the ROLE AND PARTICIPATION OF THE VICTIM in criminal processes.

    "The scientific study of victimization, including the relationships between victims & offenders, the interactions between victims & the criminal justice system (police, courts, & corrections) & the connections between victims & other societal groups & institutions, such as the media, businesses, & social movements."

    Theories in Victimology

    Luckenbill's (1977) Situated Transaction Model
    At the interpersonal level, crime and victimization is a contest of character. The stages go like this: (1) insult ; (2) clarification ; (3) retaliation ; (4) counter retaliation ; (5) presence of weapon - or search for a weapon or clenching of fists; (6) onlookers - presence of audience helps escalate/de-escalate the situation.

    Benjamin & Master's Threefold Model
    Conditions that support crime can be classified into three general categories: (1) precipitating factors - time, space, being in the wrong place at the wrong time; (2) attracting factors - choices, options, lifestyles (the sociological expression "lifestyle" refers to daily routine activities as well as special events one engages in on a predictable basis); (3) predisposing factors - all the sociodemographic characteristics of victims, being male, being young, being poor, being a minority, living in squalor, being single, being unemployed.

    Cohen & Felson's (1979) Routine Activities Theory -
    Crime occurs whenever three conditions come together: (1) suitable targets ; (2) motivated offenders (in victimology, unlike deterministic criminology, assumes anyone may become criminals under certain circumstances); and (3) absence of guardians - the problem is that there's few defensible spaces (natural surveillance areas) and in the absence of private security, the government can't do the job alone.
    Audentes Fortuna Juvat

  4. #174
    The media's reporting of this incident is not of an investigative nature. No one seems to be asking any probative questions to get to the truth. All that the media seem to be releasing are the brief, "he said, she said" excerpts apparently being provided by police and/or campus sources. From what I've read, none of the statements in the press are even attributed to anyone... And yes, I located "the video" on Youtube. I could not make heads or tails of its content. I'd also like to know who keeps changing the details of what was reported to have happened that night (or was it 3 nights)??

  5. #175
    @7DMM.. Thanks for the brief overview of the concepts of Victimology. However, at this point in time a more critical dynamic in the understanding of what actually happened here is the Criminal Investigation. One cannot be considered to be a "victim" here until a criminal offense has been established by fact and evidence. We cannot hope to understand the "why" aspect of the equation until AFTER the elements of the crime have been established... And I don't know if that has has taken place in this woeful incident.

  6. #176
    i cant believe sa reactions sa uban dri, na mirisi/mayra g rape. i sound like a broken record, no one deserves to be raped, ma burikat o ma buotan. and abt dat video, ppl here are saying na murag glami-an. how reliable is dat video? sure kaau mo nga mao jud to? ive seen it pd bya. lisod kaau manghukom esp kng walay first hand info. ayw sad tawn mo pagsulti ug ing-ana, mura mog dli taw sinultihan.

    @xidor n co: u missed springfield's point by a mile
    Last edited by angelfyre; 07-08-2008 at 06:04 PM.

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    Rape is a forced sexual assault. My take on the video: "She was inviting everyone to do her, removing garments of some guy, blatantly doing her 'thing' upon the contractions of the 'object' without showing any gesture of shun, and performing aggressive methods to bring the airs into high stimulation. She seemed to be in the right state of mind and not drugged."

  8. #178
    Quote Originally Posted by cosplay View Post
    Rape is a forced sexual assault. My take on the video: "She was inviting everyone to do her, removing garments of some guy, blatantly doing her 'thing' upon the contractions of the 'object' without showing any gesture of shun, and performing aggressive methods to bring the airs into high stimulation. She seemed to be in the right state of mind and not drugged."

    the operative word is SEEMED. how do u know she was not drugged? have u seen anyone drugged? have u tried being drugged?


    definition of rape under RA 8353 revised penal code:

    Rape is Committed -

    1. By a man who shall have carnal knowledge of a woman under any of the following:
    -Through force, threat, or intimidation;
    -When the offended party is deprived of reason or otherwise unconscious;
    -By means of fraudulent machination or grave abuse of authority; and
    -When the offended party is under twelve (12) years of age or is demented, even though none of the circumstances mentioned above be present.

    2. By any person who, under any of the circumstances mentioned in paragraph 1 hereof, shall commit an act of sexual assault by inserting his ***** into another person's mouth or anal orifice, or any instrument or object, into the genital or anal orifice of another person.
    Last edited by angelfyre; 07-08-2008 at 06:17 PM.

  9. #179
    Quote Originally Posted by omad View Post
    before anyone else shows their ignorance regarding "rape", here's some statistics:
    __________________________________________________

    The Offenders

    The Rapist isn't a Masked Stranger


    Almost 2/3 of rapes were committed by someone known to the victim.
    73% of sexual assaults were perpetrated by a non-stranger.
    38% of rapists are a friend or acquaintance.
    28% are an intimate.
    7% are a relative.


    more info:

    Statistics | RAINN | Rape, Abuse & Incest National Network
    ayyyy...

  10. #180
    Quote Originally Posted by SPRINGFIELD_XD_40 View Post
    @ MITASHENE and XIDOR ...

    Figure out first that what happened to her was an ACT of CRIME . Ang inyohang mga PAPA , MAMA , IGSOON na BABAY ug LALAKI pwede pod ma RAPE bisan naa ra sila sulod sa balay naghinuktok , pwede na sila ma RAPE in the middle of the day and in the blink of an eye .

    Ikaduha .... ibutang ta lang FRAT FRAT and other nonsense groups kay responsible sa RAPE , that is TRUE but have you guys consider that other members or probably a lot of members CONDEMNS rape ? You dont have to be a FRATMAN to commit RAPE , intendies ? Ilabi na ikaw XIDOR ... maayo unta ma RAPE ka in the middle of your CARROLING activities in PASKO , ok ra nimo ? I am pretty sure that acitvity is not nonsense and chances are mga kuyog nimo ana are special human beings . Ikaw pod MITASHENE it doesnt have to be your sister either , it could be you actually if it happens that you are in the wrong place , wrong time and the wrong people with that you thought beforehand that all was in the RIGHT PLACE , RIGHT TIME and specially with the RIGHT PEOPLE .

    Ayaw lage ninyo ipanglagpas kesyo ang babay usa ka SLUT , apil apil ug GRUPO , imposible na 3 ka adlaw gi RAPE ... of course heard of DATE DRUGS ug ni ENTER ENTER man gud . I suggest , read OMAD'S reply .
    Just stick to the topic at hand.. Don't tell me the meaning of "rape" coz ain't that dumb! Topic was ang girl na rape sa iyang pgka tanga nga nag apil2x ug frat or gang! Like i said, kng tarong cya'g pangutok, that won't happened to her. But saon ta man nga "cool" mn gd kaau mo apil2x ug gang, so consequences are to be suffered! INTIENDES?!

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