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  1. #671

    Quote Originally Posted by davies107 View Post
    Nakabasa ka sa old posts dri? or bago pa lang ka ni abot? kinsa ang nagcriticize sa RC? this is a forum, people share ideas... wala man cguro nag ingun dri ka bati sa RC, di jud ko diha kay sus bati.. wala man cguro no? nag share raman ni sila ug ideas... pls dont be a narrow minded person dude... basa sa ayaw ug react pirmi. if ever naay mo criticize nako well ako dawatun, maybe that is the time for ME to change or not, diba? tao lang po...


    PEACE!
    naa diay dautan sa mu criticize bro

    si Jesus Christ man lagi mi criticize man sa mga Scribes ug Pharisees sa una, dautan pud tong iyang gibuhat bro

    basaha ning verse bro oh...

    Mat 23:13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.

    Mat 23:14 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.

    Mat 23:15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.

    Mat 23:16 Woe unto you, ye blind guides, which say, Whosoever shall swear by the temple, it is nothing; but whosoever shall swear by the gold of the temple, he is a debtor!

    Mat 23:17 Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gold, or the temple that sanctifieth the gold?
    Mat 23:18 And, Whosoever shall swear by the altar, it is nothing; but whosoever sweareth by the gift that is upon it, he is guilty.

    Mat 23:19 Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gift, or the altar that sanctifieth the gift?

    Mat 23:20 Whoso therefore shall swear by the altar, sweareth by it, and by all things thereon.

    Mat 23:21 And whoso shall swear by the temple, sweareth by it, and by him that dwelleth therein.

    Mat 23:22 And he that shall swear by heaven, sweareth by the throne of God, and by him that sitteth thereon.

    Mat 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

    Mat 23:24 Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.

    Mat 23:25 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess.

    Mat 23:26 Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also.

    Mat 23:27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness.

    Mat 23:28 Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.

    Mat 23:29 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,
    Mat 23:30 And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.

    Mat 23:31 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.

    Mat 23:32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.

    Mat 23:33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

    Mat 23:34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:

    Mat 23:35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.

    Mat 23:36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.

    Mat 23:37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!

    Mat 23:38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.

    Mat 23:39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

    dautan pud na bro?

  2. #672
    Quote Originally Posted by bcasabee View Post
    Yeah I understand very much.
    I think I'm not, any church which doesn't claim authority over any written spiritual books renounces Peter as their head(in my opinion). So far, only the Catholic church claims authority(I'm not sure if there are still any other church), so I believe on the Catholic Church. The bottom line is, I do not believe in any church which doesn't claim authority over scriptures.
    they don't claim jud bro because the claim only belongs to God kay gikan ug about baya na sa Ginoo nato kanang gipangsulti diha... dili baya na gikan sa mga sulti˛ sa mga tawo lang diba?

  3. #673
    Quote Originally Posted by davies107 View Post
    Weird lagi mo reply ang uban dri no? ang title sa thread is be proud of being a catholic, so ipakita sab ninyo pamaagi sa inyo pamatasan, okey ba aztina888?
    ahww sorry if na offend ka s ako post. its not for you. but if na igo ok sorry.
    im proud to be Catholic and il die for God and its Church which i belong too. unfortunately naa uban dri nga mag apil apil for the sole purpose saying what he wants to say. just like ITACHI. if you notice sa ako post puro na tarong kung tarong lang pud ako kastorya.

    but then again sorry kung na offend ka. hihihi my bad..

  4. #674
    Please refrain by saying harsh words like BOGO... please lang. If you want to share, share lang ayaw pangugat ug dont say harsh words... im proud being a Christian and same with you aztina888, ill die for Jesus Christ, HIM ALONE because "I am the way the truth and the life; NO MAN cometh unto the Father BUT BY ME." -- Jesus Christ (John 14:6) pabalik balik ko yan na line.

  5. #675
    Quote Originally Posted by bcasabee View Post
    Hahay @bro Itachi. Kapoy na kaayo ug explain.
    i explain lang gud for the benefit of the doubt...

  6. #676
    Quote Originally Posted by arubinkun View Post
    but again bro, the saints that the bible is refering are not only the saints that have been declared by the catholic church but those who Jesus has acknowledged as members of the church, the Christians... we are all saints and for every prayer that we make, it is placed in the vials that you have cited on the verse... that means, if you pray for our country, girlfriend, wife, relatives, love ones, other countries, people... it is placed in the vials... for we are all saints of the Christian church.... they cannot intercede anymore since they are gone from this place...

    just a simple question bros... if you need help in praying for yourself, or Jesus needs intersession from the Saints, why would He say that He is the way the Truth and the Life and that no one goes to the father but through him when you can go there man diay with the help of Mary? wouldn't that contradict Jesus?

    as you have said, if Jesus closes the door, mary opens a window? wouldn't that just throw everythign that Jesus taught us in the bible to trash?
    mangutana pod ko arubinkun kung asa mabasa sa bible nga gi CUT OFF na ang relationship ni Jesus ug Mary?

  7. #677
    Quote Originally Posted by davies107 View Post
    Weird lagi mo reply ang uban dri no? ang title sa thread is be proud of being a catholic, so ipakita sab ninyo pamaagi sa inyo pamatasan, okey ba aztina888?
    Tell that to your ADD brothers man.. especially the one who is perfect here(self proclaimed)...
    kinsa kaha ang walay batasan dre.. kinsa kaha ang nagamit sa "bogo" nga word..

  8. #678
    Quote Originally Posted by mordecai_327 View Post
    Let's examine history:

    It all started in the “conversion” of the Roman Emperor Constantine. Constantine “legalized” Christianity at the Edict of Milan in A.D. 313. Later, in A.D. 325, Constantine called together the Council of Nicea, in an attempt to unify Christianity. Constantine envisioned Christianity as a religion that could unite the Roman Empire, which at that time was beginning to fragment and divide. While this may have seemed to be a positive development for the Christian church, the results were anything but positive. Just as Constantine refused to fully embrace the Christian faith, but continued many of his pagan beliefs and practices, so the Christian church that Constantine promoted was a mixture of true Christianity and Roman paganism.



    Not true. The canon of the Jewish Scriptures (which is the Old Testament for Christians) were already intact even before the Roman Catholic Church started to exist.



    For all who read the book of Acts, the role and function of an apostle is shared by the Twelve, including the Apostle Paul. Even just a cursory reading of the books in the New Testament, Paul's letters (by God's sovereignty and will) comprised a huge part compared to Peter's.

    "Confusions and contradictions" arise when certain groups who claim themselves to be Christians interpret the Bible without practicing proper exegesis and hermeneutics -- thus forming doctrines that contradict the Word of God itself.
    Let me answer these!

    1.) Nanong si constantine man ang pasanginlan?

    2)YEs . naka hibalo mi anan nga naa na nang Old Testament sa wala pa si Lord Jesus.

    3)If you blame St. Peter then you blame Jesus. isnt it?

    4)Nganong na contradict man ang doctrine sa RC to God? kay nag buhat mog mga storya nga maka pa confuse sa mga tao. Dibah?

  9. #679
    Quote Originally Posted by davies107 View Post
    Please refrain by saying harsh words like BOGO... please lang. If you want to share, share lang ayaw pangugat ug dont say harsh words...
    aw kung offensive para nimo nang bogo, ok dili nako mu mention ug bogo...

    dedicated lang ning verse bro para nimo...

    Isa 5:20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

    basta Evil gani bro, evil jud na....

    ang mga apostol bro, nag mention ug "rebuke"...

    Tit 1:13 This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith;

  10. #680
    No, the Bible wasn't handed by God to the people. Though I believe the Bible is inspired by God(probably this is what you mean). Surely, the Bible was compiled by the Catholic Church with the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. When RC claims that we compiled the Bible, others argue that it is not the case, because the Jewish Scriptures(old testament) already existed. But the old testament is not the Bible, the Gospels are not the Bible, the new testament Books are not the Bible. What you call the Bible is the compilation of these many books. So the Bible came from the church (with the guidance of the Holy Spirit) and not the church came from the Bible (You already agreed on this when you said that Christ founded the Christian church on Peter and during that time there was no Bible yet). So the Catholic Church claims authority over the Bible and not the Bible claims authority over the Catholic Church. So that is why I don't believe in any church which doesn't claim authority over the Bible.
    Quote Originally Posted by arubinkun View Post
    agoy, bro... dili na jud na sakto... bisan mangutana ka sa pari kung asa gikan and bibliya pareho ra jud na tanan sila ug tubag... God breath... inshort gikan na sa Ginoo...
    Last edited by bcasabee; 06-26-2008 at 11:54 AM.

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