Be Proud of Being Catholic

[newtonscousin]

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good point bro... i wonder how will they react to this...

good morning mga bro and sis.. just log-in..hehe

the words of God cannot be reverse by anybody. some people want to compare the Bible by its size, by who publish it but they forgot to follow the contain of it, the real meaning of obedience.

mga bro and sis lets just share here to enlighten our lives with the words of God and accept what is written specially the Laws and Commandments of God.

naa jud ko question sa mga Catholic nga hope they can give me Biblical references.
why mn Sunday inyo observation and Why pud takes and Hours lng?

hope you can share to me mga bro and sis your stand point with references from Holly Scripture in view of the fact and lets consider that you have the most and reliable source of references.

[newtonscousin]

try to compare your KJV to catholic bible bro diba mas nipis ang KJV kaysa catholic bible.. meaning dahgan ug kuwang nga historical books imong bible.. ang worse lahi pa jud ang translation sa uban words from greek/hebrew to english.. for us we use the NRSV catholic edition ang somtimes use KJV for cross-references.

bro and sis. are you comparing the Bible by its size? or what matters most is the content?
if ang Genesis 1:1 sa ako nga book the same sa Genesis 1:1 sa inyong book, whats the differences?

if you can give me another meaning and translation to those references i gave you yesterday then much better so you can correct me and lets evaluate who has the rights meaning.

[necrotic freak]

bro and sis. are you comparing the Bible by its size? or what matters most is the content?
if ang Genesis 1:1 sa ako nga book the same sa Genesis 1:1 sa inyong book, whats the differences?

if you can give me another meaning and translation to those references i gave you yesterday then much better so you can correct me and lets evaluate who has the rights meaning.

bro you didnt get my point... you said "what matters most is the content" now if a book have a lesser pages than the other, it surely means the contents are not equal, right? the thicker book had more contents (Gods word) than a thinner book (bible).

aron ka maka getz sa akong point pls refer to this, compare the catholic content and the protestant content of the bible.

Jewish and Christian Bibles: Comparative Chart

[newtonscousin]

bro you didnt get my point... you said "what matters most is the content" now if a book have a lesser pages than the other, it surely means the contents are not equal, right? the thicker book had more contents (Gods word) than a thinner book (bible).

aron ka maka getz sa akong point pls refer to this, compare the catholic content and the protestant content of the bible.

Jewish and Christian Bibles: Comparative Chart

what if naa mag publish ug book nga mas thicker pa sa inyoha? sugot mo nga mas ok ang ilaha?
ur ryt bro dghan na nanggawas nga mga translation sa Bible nga lahi na ang uban content, i hope your aware who are they trying to change the contents of the Bible. hadlok kaau paminawon ang words of God ila gina change.

lahi n lagi na imo point dn wala pud nimo gi tubag ako question. if thicker mn jud kaha na or mas daghan na ug pages mas ok, then hope you can give me answer sko question bro about sa inyo pag worship nga Sunday dn why takes Hours lng. pls. provide Biblical references.

anytime bro we can set time, pwede ta mag met then we can share the words of God and to see if lahi ba jud ang ato mga Bible. pm me lng bro ha f u lyk lng ky pra mag set ta tym.

[oTnur]

It is simple that the Bible alone faith is not from God.

[newtonscousin]

It is simple that the Bible alone faith is not from God.

is ds the answer of my question above?

if so, meaning catholic are not referring their faith from Bible? so in short they dont believe that the Bible is not the words of God?

so kinsa man ilang gi follow? whos words man ilang gi follow?

[rcruman]

Jn 21:25
25But there are also many other things that Jesus did; if every one of them were written down, I suppose that the world itself could not contain the books that would be written.

20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
Matthew 28:20

so tanan gitudlo ni Jesus sa mga apostol.
og ang mga nakita og nadungog sa mga apostol kay:

1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;
2 (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us
3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.
4 And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full.
1 John 1:1-4

and

6 And these things, brethren, I have in a figure transferred to myself and to Apollos for your sakes; that ye might learn in us not to think of men above that which is written, that no one of you be puffed up for one against another.
1 Corinthians 4:6

9 For ye remember, brethren, our labour and travail: for labouring night and day, because we would not be chargeable unto any of you, we preached unto you the gospel of God.
1 Thessalonians 2:9

so sa dihang nisulat si Juan nga:
Jn 21:25
25But there are also many other things that Jesus did; if every one of them were written down, I suppose that the world itself could not contain the books that would be written

ang GOSPEL ba ang wala gisulat tanan?
kahibalo ba ka nganong nakaingon ani si Juan?
nakasulat ba ang tanang giaayo og gibuhi ni Jesus sa BIBLIA?
Kung isulat nga si Talpolano, Patricia, Prototaloy, Juana, Ignacia, Maria dela Agawanta og uban nga gibuhi ni Jesus og giaayo masulod kaha tanan sa biblia?
ang Biblia bro kung imo lang gyud sabton or kung hatagan ka sa Ginoo og pagsabut kay dili redundant or pahambugay nga isulti tanang gibuhat or kapila gibuhat.
Like nagpakaon ang GINOO gisulat ang panghitabo pero kung kapila siya nagpakaon, nagpaayo, nagbuhi (kung kinsa-kinsa ang gibuhi) kay wla na gisulat sa bible og dili masulod niining kalibutana (meaning daghan gibuhat si Jesus nga maayo og dili na angay pa isulat kay redundant na) enough na ang GOSPEL og application ang isulat og dili ang kapila og kanusa giusab.

beh imo man gigamit ang John 20:25
buot ba pasabot ang Catechism maoy nakapacomplete or mao ang kulang aron makomplete ang bible?
og taym pa, ang catechism ba og oral tradition ninyo dili masulod niining kalibutana?

sa akong gipanghatag nga verse bisan imo pa tan-awon sa inyo biblia mao gihapon ang pasabot.

Discussion ra ni atoa kalma lang aron kalma ang tubag, let us be objective.


Peace!

[r3roble]

is ds the answer of my question above?

if so, meaning catholic are not referring their faith from Bible? so in short they dont believe that the Bible is not the words of God?

so kinsa man ilang gi follow? whos words man ilang gi follow?

we will ask first if bro. oTnur is a Catholic, before we should manifest...
a little info. can be a dangerous thing.

[dartzed]

i dont worship anybody, look up straight and you will see directly Jesus Christ.
God inspired us not to look in anybodies fault or anykind of mistakes because all human being are sinners.
so i dont worship anybody(pastors, priest, pope, president, princes, etc..) instead ask guidance directly to God and not to anybody who are claiming that they are capable of forgiving sins because they are also great sinners like us.

wait im a little confused here... let us get straight to the point... kinsa man dai nagworship among us here ug pastors, priest, pope, president, princes, etc...

i think you misunderstand it, i thought you only follow God's word?.. then you are not following His words just because you think human only claims to be capable of forgiving sins?.. well correct me if i was wrong.. but maybe you didnt scan your bible well...

[oTnur]

para sa ako rani ha. this is my opinion only..

venerating to saints - para sa ako mura ra gud kag nangau ug tabang ug ampo.
it's just like asking your friend to pray for you.
And the statues are there as a sign of respect and remember them for the works
they've done for our Lord and mankind. It's serves as an inspiration for us not just
mere idols.

Another accusation against Catholics is that they are 'idol worshippers' in the Church.

If we taken this word literally, God is prohibiting all arts and architecture in this world. All arts belong to images or likeness in the universe. In fact God forbade the worship of fake gods that existed at the pagan culture! They believed that the statues themselves are their gods, and made sacrifices for them. But GOd never prohibited the use of statues in the places of worship, which helped people to feel His Presence, as the Bible says.

God commanded to make Images
Ex.25:18-20 God said:"And you shall make two cherubims of gold; of hammered work shall you make them, on the two ends of the mercy seat." This is to0 create an awareness among the people about God's presence.
In 1Chr.28:18-19 David gives the plan of the temple to solomon: His plan for the golden chariot of the cherubim that spread wings and covered the Ark of the Covenant". When Solomon constructed that temple with statues, GOd blessed him and dwelt in that temple.
Ex:28:31 GOd commanded that Aaron's priestly vestments must be adorned with images. Num.21:8-9 God said to mosses " Make a statue of a fairy serpent and set it on a pole, everyone who is bitten when sees, will live" In all these places God made use of statues for religious purpose.
GOd revaels Himself in a visible form (daniel7:9) The Holy Spirit reveals Himself in a visible form of a dove(Matt.3:16) and tongues of fire (Acts.2:1-4) Christ is the visible image of invisible God(2Cor.4:6)
When God said not to bow before them, it meant not to worship them nor respect them as God(Fake god). Catholic devotees, who bow before a statue, are not worshipping them! When we bow before our National Heroes, does that mean we worship them? This practice varies from culture to culture. In Japan, India and some counties, bowing is used as an expression of respect!
The biblical meaning of idolatry is not prohibiting statues and paintings, but worshipping fake gods and commiting sins as St. Paul says: "Put to death the parts of you that are earthly: Immorality, impurity,passion, evil desires and that LUST that is IDOLATRY" (Col.3.5)

Early Christian tradition
Before the formation of the Bible, Christians in their churches used statues and pictures. The 4th century Historian Eusebius tells us that he had seen a statue of Christ 'arms outreached'(Church hitory, book 7 Ch:
The Catholic Church has the evidence from 150 AD onwards that the Christian decorated their tombs and catacombs with paintings of Jesus, Mary, dove cross, fish etc. Excavations for a new basilica at Nazareth brought to light a mosaic painting of Eucharist which dates back 63 AD. The oldest pictures of Mary and the child Jesus are found in the Catacomb of Pricillia in Rome, dating back 2nd Century. Even before the Bible formed, paintings and statues catechized people by reproducing the events in the Gospel!

And thats how it is!

Peace!