Why The Christian Faith?

[rcruman]

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bro..ani na lang...ni tuo man kaha ta nga Omnipresent ang Ginoo.....you go to high heavens He is there...on the far side of the sea naa sad...."where can i flee from Your presence?"
(Psalm 139:7-)

naa man gani sa ilawom sa mga bato...inig pakli sa mga dahon naa sad...nya wala na nuon within me?

biblical na ha...di na ako2x bwahahaha

see how dangerous your self interpretation.
sa psalm 139 nga imo gigamit nagmention ba na nga omnipresent ang GINOO or ang presence niya?
Sister read this verse for you to understand that HE is not omnipresent:
3 The eyes of the LORD are in every place, beholding the evil and the good.
Proverbs 15:3

so GOD can see everywhere but it doesn't mean that HE's everywhere.
If I can see the clouds or moon does it mean that I'm there in clouds or moon?

can you imagine GOD is present in CASINO, NIGHT CLUB, SHABU TIANGUE, MOTELS (nagkita ang kabit), SEPTIC TANK?

read more the bible and don't interpret and you will see that HE is not as what you think and understand.

Peace!

[rcruman]

..then if he is that kind of God....he cant be that great huh?

...so pasagdi na lang ko if di ko mo bilib sa Judeo Christian God in this case kay my God is not limited to being Just, Holy , Righteous and Jealous....my God is LOVING ...to all and of all...never jealous and does not punish....and that is the God i found within...so happy ra sad ko sa akong God oi.....

MAO diay na ang GUSTO sa GINOO nga naa sa BIBLE nga ang MOBILIB ang mga tao sa iyaha?
read the bible sister og tan-awa kung ang iya tumong kay aron lang mobilib sa iyaha ang mga tao.

are you sure its GOD that you've found within you or its your PRIDE?
How did you know that its GOD?
basehan ba nga GINOO imo nakita kay HAPPY ang nakakita?
hatagan tikag situation:
kung ang drug addict (shabu) kay nakapunit or nakakita og usa ka pakete nga SHABU nya nalipay siya meaning ba sakto siya?

hope you get my comparisson.

Peace!

[Mr.Ho_chia]

JEHOVAH iya name? bro ho_chia i think you should read again the bible and the hebrew bible.
Its not JEHOVAH, JW's used this name because of people's familiarity in 14th century.
Its YHWH in tetragrammaton, and it doesn't any vowel in hebrew language and its the speaker will supply the vowel.
so it might be JEHEVEH, JOHOVOH, JAHAVAH, JAHOVEH, YAHWEH, YEHWEH,YOHWOH, and etc.
and the proper pronouncation of YHWH being forgotten due to the commandments of THOUS SHALT NOT USE THE NAME OF GOD IN VAIN.


Peace!

Noy,YHWH Mao na ang pangalan ni GOD the Father, because the Jewish people give so much reverence to GOD that they will not even pronounce it kay basin masayop sila , and tama ka it depends on where you put the vowels. So Going back, if you say that GOD is JEHOVAH as you put the vowel, then it is also referring to the GOD of the Bible. that solve it. It doesn't mean that you already embrace the witnesses (JW) faith.

[Gwynhuever]

ha ha ha...mangutana mo sa akong God nga nakit-an from within...nya kon motubag ko...lecture ron ko ninyo unsa kasayop akong pagtuo...na hala....mao bitaw ingon ko di na ko mag usik sa panahon ...kay di jud ta mag kasabot ninyo kay lain2x man ta ug pagtuo....di sad ko willing mo explain/expound/argue/discuss...kay i see no point. Kon makakita pa lang ta ko room for discussion...puede ta ni lantugion ug tukion...pero basi sa tanan nako nabasa sa uban threads...way kapuslanan...so dawata na lang ninyo nga naay mga tawo nga lahi ang gituhuan...i could be wrong...but i might be right....unlike you nga SURE jud tawn nga right

For example...."Have I not called all ye Gods" ....Jesus said that ha...nya kabalo na sad ko tubag ni rcru...mo ingon na sad siya nga ako ra na interpretation....pastilan

@mr ho....exoteric interpretation (the traditional profane belief) is that Jehovah is in fact not only Jealous but also vengeant and wrathful however the esoteric interpretation says that He is all merciful and loving and omnipresent....parehas ra sad nga ang exoteric interpretation ni Shiva is that he is the god of destruction...where they failed to say he is the destruction of what?? where the esoteric interpretation says he is the destruction of ignorance....

@rcru- if makita nimo ang clouds of course that does not mean naa ka sa clouds...kay ngano si God diay ka?? Omnipresent means present in all sentient beings..meaning present in beings with consciousness not limited to humans but including plants and animals...kapait ba sad nga apilon man nimo ug ka present ang Ginoo sa septic tank oi...pastilan....may pa man sad ko nga di tigbasa bible kabalo nga God is beyond positive or negative...and beyond good and evil....

careful lang mo paniguro nga kamoy sakto ug pag sabot oi he he he

"the more i learn the more i realize i don't know" - socrates

[Mr.Ho_chia]

wa ko nag lectre nimo ma'am. ako ra g-insakto imong mga pasmangil bahin sa GOD of the Bible. but as to your belief, you can keep it and continue with it, I don't mind at all, as you have said imo sab na. but for you to say that The God of the Bible is the same with the other of different dozens of your gods, that's something I need to correct. mao ra.

And mind you ma'am the GOD of the Bible is an unchanging GOD the same yesterday, today and forever. Know the nature and the character of the GOD of the Bible arun dili ka mawala ug maglibog ma'am. and also please don't take scriptures out of context if you do quote them.

so padayun lang ma'am kay tama ka usik sa oras btaw. atleast na air nanato ang each of our sides. Have a nice day.

[pal]

allah loves only those who loves him. Shiva is the god of destructions Hindus bow to shiva and a peace him so he may not send plague and inflict pain to his followers.

It also came in my mind about having the same God in different religion or the gods mentioned in different sacred books.. ciguro na emphasize lang nila unsa ilang na witness about God.

I also don't agree that Allah loves only those who love Him. According to the Quran, Allah is Most Gracious and Most Merciful. But same with the God mentioned in the Bible, Allah is giving special favor for those who love and follow Him.

And about Shiva,remember the Great Flood? the Sodom and Gomorrah?

[Mr.Ho_chia]

It also came in my mind about having the same God in different religion or the gods mentioned in different sacred books.. ciguro na emphasize lang nila unsa ilang na witness about God.

I also don't agree that Allah loves only those who love Him. According to the Quran, Allah is Most Gracious and Most Merciful. But same with the God mentioned in the Bible, Allah is giving special favor for those who love and follow Him.

And about Shiva,remember the Great Flood? the Sodom and Gomorrah?

THat's most interesting how people would confused deliberately the Triune GOD of the Bible as one GOD with different other gods. Scriptures explicitly points that the GOD of the Bible is a jealous GOD. He will never share his glory with allah nor shiva.

In Islam they deny the Father GOD, they deny the deity of the Son and they deny the person of the HOLY SPIRIT. Exactly what part of GOD are we agreeing about? Allah grace and mercy is conditional, but the GOD of the Bible love is unconditional --- He died for all the sinners. YEs the great flood and gomorrah not to mention hell is evidence that the same loving and kind GOD of the Bible is also a just and holy GOD. Judgment will come to all, we are accountable for everything we do, we say and we decide for. the choice is our, but the way is provided by GOD. Jesus Christ is the way the truth and the life!

[Gwynhuever]

@mr ho...first and foremost i wanna stress that i understand the nature of the Christian God...believe me i do...i also believe He is more than just that....with me to limit Him with the Christian definition is not enough ...He is beyond all that..

second...the reason why i refused to discuss stuff in detail is because i do not like the "i am right you are wrong" attitude...it makes both parties defensive and thus a healthy discussion is no longer be possible

third...in my opinion discussing religion is a moot point...there will always be clashing of ideas...when we discuss spirituality...then that is a different thing...however i see that most of the time the discussion might start at that but ultimately goes back to arguing which religion or faith is RIGHT...mao na ingon ko usik lang sa panahon

i am all for discussion...to share and learn....but if your ideas get shot at the first chance a forumer with a different point of view deems it very necessary to "CORRECT" you...pag kakapoi...

if one of these days i will stumble upon a thread that encourages free flow of ideas and the objective is the open and liberal discussion about spirituality...na bisan ma ugmaan pa ko dinokdok....but as it is...useless....kay kon sa kanta pa ni Madonna "you only see what your eyes want you to see...you only hear what your ears want you to hear...you're frozen...when your heart's not open"

so kani na lang ako last post bro....but by all means if you stumble upon a thread or start one where free exchange of ideas are encouraged... give me a shout

no offense bro...and none taken...
God bless

[Mr.Ho_chia]

@mr ho...first and foremost i wanna stress that i understand the nature of the Christian God...believe me i do...i also believe He is more than just that....with me to limit Him with the Christian definition is not enough ...He is beyond all that..

second...the reason why i refused to discuss stuff in detail is because i do not like the "i am right you are wrong" attitude...it makes both parties defensive and thus a healthy discussion is no longer be possible

third...in my opinion discussing religion is a moot point...there will always be clashing of ideas...when we discuss spirituality...then that is a different thing...however i see that most of the time the discussion might start at that but ultimately goes back to arguing which religion or faith is RIGHT...mao na ingon ko usik lang sa panahon

i am all for discussion...to share and learn....but if your ideas get shot at the first chance a forumer with a different point of view deems it very necessary to "CORRECT" you...pag kakapoi...

if one of these days i will stumble upon a thread that encourages free flow of ideas and the objective is the open and liberal discussion about spirituality...na bisan ma ugmaan pa ko dinokdok....but as it is...useless....kay kon sa kanta pa ni Madonna "you only see what your eyes want you to see...you only hear what your ears want you to hear...you're frozen...when your heart's not open"

so kani na lang ako last post bro....but by all means if you stumble upon a thread or start one where free exchange of ideas are encouraged... give me a shout

no offense bro...and none taken...
God bless

It is funny how you can declare that you know the nature and character of the Judeo-Christian GOD and yet associate HIM with Al'lah and the Hindu gods as the same GOD. I am ammused by how you put it: Limit HIM in the Christian perspective, Sorry lady, the Christians are not the one who defined GOD. GOD define HIMSELF explicitly in scriptures. As what I have said to Pal in Islam they deny the Triune GOD as one GOD of the Bible, They deny the Father, they deny the deity if the SON and they deny the Personof the Holy Spirit. to them Al'lah as the sun god is there god. how then can you so blindly swallow the lie that they are the one and the same?

I understand how you want everything to fuse as much as possible in the name of peace. There are people who are really like you, infact some would say communism, democracy and authoritarian rules is just one kind of governance in the name of peace, but clearly it is not. we do not limit it but we define it as it is.

I certainly respect any contrasting or condescending views. As what i have said you are free to express it, but this is a forum, people are free to refute what you say and give another perspective, this is not a matter of attitude that says i am right and you are wrong but rather exchange of points, you see this issue arises when you expect everyone to embrace everything at the same time, halo-halo, just like your view with god.

Any dis agreement on any kind of issue is not to suppress freedom of expression, it is the other way around, it is to encourage discussion and reasoning. I am so surprise why you would take it negatively and at the same time claim to have an open mind, liberal and free flow of what you say? ideas? well, you can do that here as well, but please take everything positively. and to quote your quote from madonnas song ""you only see what your eyes want you to see...you only hear what your ears want you to hear...you're frozen...when your heart's not open" this certainly will loosen up you a bit and see that reasoning and discussion in support of an argument is not at all blind.

I think threads then and now are not to be changed, it is our perspective that has to.

No offense taken and none meant. Have a great day to you.

[arubinkun]

i have a question addressed to all who are involved in this wonderful conversation on which is the true God, who is right on the interpretation on the scriptures and et all..

my question is... (and this is addressed to all who are here) Do you believe that the Bible is God breath, every page of it and it is the Basic instruction that God has given for all the people who believes in Him?