RELIGION

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No salvation outside the church...... kurog ko. oh no! i can never be saved! holy cow batman!

If this is the church people believe in, then i certainly don't want to be it. Vengeful, Selfish and Self-Righteous. By the way, has the Catholic Church asked for forgiveness regarding the atrocities it commited during the medieval ages and during the inquisition?

We have our own beliefs. As a Catholic, that is what we believe. Outside the Church there is no salvation. Deal with it. Truth is absolute. For us the truth is only what is taught in the Catholic Church.

Now we do not say that those who are NOT Catholics are bad per se. What we are trying to say is that you might be a good person but you have no vehicle for salvation because in the first place you dont ride it.

We are mot self righteous. While we are Catholics, we do not claim that we will be saved automatically. We have to work on it. If we sin and be separated from God's grace we also cannot be saved.

I dont want to ostracize people that dont belong to RCC. Its your choice. We are just sending you our warning from our perspective.

@s.n.m.p. : you just contradicted yourself. You said that without the church there is no salvation and that without that "vehicle" one cannot be saved even if he is good, and yet you, as a catholic, do not claim to be self-righteous.

[s.n.m.p.]

Well, if sticking with the truth really makes me self righteous, so be it. I dont have to please everyone. There is only one source of salvation. Truth is absolute. Truth is one. You cant find multiple truths.

[MrBiddle]

@s.n.m.p. : you just contradicted yourself. You said that without the church there is no salvation and that without that "vehicle" one cannot be saved even if he is good, and yet you, as a catholic, do not claim to be self-righteous.

This is understandable to me... what could we expect from an Institution that originated from tyranny and corruption? (Meganda's post a couple of pages back)

OT: That Sydney Pollack movie THE INTERPRETER with Sean Penn..... twas about an African American leader who nearly survived an assassination attempt. Some people can live luxuriously in vain conceit just because they took a bullet. If you guys know who I'm alluding to
The man who was nearly assassinated by KGB in 1981

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so let's see...

a man who does no harm and believes everyone can be saved but is not catholic, is not welcome in heaven?

but someone who does no harm but believes that no one other than catholics will be saved is?

[MrBiddle]

Ila nang gi condemn si MAHATMA GANDHI ;-b

og THE DALAI LAMA ;-b

[MrBiddle]

OT:Â* aha naman to silang Dacs og HoundedbyHeaven?Â* ;b

Dacs, malingaw sad baya ko og basa ni Ben Garcia....

Anyway, Steve Ray is so funny. He can go as far as saying that Judas was the first "blasphemer" of the Eucharist.... layo-a'g naabtan oi. ;b

I also watched his documentary show in CCTN. But history, events that I see today and Scripture won't convince me to follow Steve's path.

I mean with John the Evangelist calling the RCC a harlot and telling us to "Come out of her?"
There's just no way.... yet if I called any of these things "too vivid" your tone will change to someone who concludes
that I need to see a shrink or something. ;b

[MrBiddle]

Steve also must have been in very a conservative a Baptist family he couldn't take it, probably couldn't get a girlfriend. His parents also called a Beatles album "from the devil".... yet when he was welcomed into the church on Pentecost Sunday 1994 his father witnessed the event, proud of his son. Na! Onsaon! wahehehe.

[Cardinal Bunal]

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IDOL OF THE DEVASTATOR

idol - a false god. an image used to represent a god - taken from the Thesaurus dictionary.


not so he will sacrifice himself again and again...he sacrificed himself once and for all near the end of the ages - Heb. 9: 25-27


where there is forgiveness of these, there is no longer an offering for sin - Heb. 10: 18


anyone who takes the Lord's supper in an unworthy manner and does not discern the body will drink judgment upon himself, Â*Â*Â*- 1 Cor. 11: 25 - 28

we do this to proclaim the death of our Lord (1 Cor. 11: 26)

The Communion Bread. A fraternal meal, merely symbolizing the death of Christ and the new covenant much like the representational celebration of Passover. But in the Roman Catholic Faith we are taught that this is the same Body of Jesus being sacrificed at calvary everytime the Host is consecreated in the mass. (The Faith Explained, by Leo. J. Trese)

This can NOT be true because Jesus is no longer Body and Blood, He is in His glorified Body. (1 Cor. 15: 50 - 55) The term eat in the Bible is often used to figuratively describe understanding and internalizing. Eat the scrolls. (Ezk. 3: 1- 3, Rev. 10: 9) Jesus meant having faith in Him and abiding by His teachings when he said those who eat my body and drink my blood will inherit eternal life. And Jesus always spoke in parables with hidden and profound meanings so that those who can look can not see and those who hear will not understand - Luke 8: 10. To say that Jesus becomes body and blood again is to HUMANIZE the already risen Christ, but this blasphemy is supported by an apparition calling itself "Mary" in San Nicolas when the impostor said "It is in the Eucharist that Jesus again becomes Body and Blood." Christ was accepted by the Gentiles, people who weren't looking for him in the first place. But there have are miracles involving the Eucharist (The Catholic Communion Bread) where the Host was said to bleed, to speak, turn into a dove, rise into the air it is this demonic manifestation that has turned the Lord's Supper into a horrible sacrilege.Â* Â*So whoever it is posing as Jesus in the Eucharist has been deceiving millions for close to 2000 years already. On purpose.

Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom because the perishable cannot inherit the imperishable. (1 Cor. 15: 50) This undoubtedly proves that the Transubstantiation is of preposterous mendacity.

The once and for all sacrifice of Jesus is enough. More than enough (Heb. 9: 25 - 27) No amount of human or demonic reasoning can change that.

It takes strong faith in Christ to even question this sacrilegious tradition but for those who don't know their God, they will find it difficult to break free from this bondage.

One can NOT live by perishable bread or food that spoils - Jn 6: 27. In Babylonia, many years ago in Jeremiah's time there have been apparitions of a goddess called the queen of heaven. (Jer 44: 19, Jer. 7: 16-20) where sacrificial cakes of bread where baked in her image (Jer. 44: 19), this was NOT a sacrilege then. But de ja vu of the same abominable counterfeit offerings are being made today in MODERN BABYLON - The Roman Catholic Church. People wanted to build a Ziggurat Tower to speak one language, today the vox populi dogma, "The voice of the people is the voice of god" is one that defends the Roman clergy. That isn't very accurate either as Jesus spoke of the wide road that leads to destruction. However, it is the narrow gate - Matt 7: 13 that few will find that is the one leading us to God's Kingdom. A verse with so many interpretations, but is true and profound meaning? You already know.

The Christians who were killed during the Inquisition weren't necessarily heretics. The woman was drunk with the blood of those who were murdered because they were loyal to Jesus - Rev. 17: 6. But they were the wise ones who instructed many. And did rightly so by departing from The Great Harlot, percevering in following the true teachings of Christ but getting martyred for what they have done and getting mixed up with the true heretics. (Luke 21: 12- 17)

the apostates will be recrufying the Son of Man, exposing him to public shame. - Heb. 6: 6

Therefore the Lord's supper is a fraternal meal that is celebreated NOT as a reinactment of His death, but as a remembrance and proclamation of His sacrifice and the New covenant when Christians fellowship other believers. (Matt 18: 20, Heb. 10: 25)

But the ANTICHRIST has made it an image of sacrilege. An image of abomination... It is the image seen at the altar during Mass, the highest form of worship accorded to the Eucharist in Romanism.

it breathed life into the image of the first beast, allowing it to speak and have those who did not worship it killed (The Inquisition) it forced all people, rich and poor, big or small to worship the image of the beast. - Rev. 13: 14- 15 (It breathed life into the Eucharist, the abominable idol having it bleed, turn into a dove and some reports state that it has even spoken to Catholics who were in adoration) "When we made offerings to the queen of heaven and baked cakes in her image, did we not have our husbands consent?" - Jer 44: 19. The Eucharist is the spiritual equivalent of the cakes offered to the Babylonian goddess, the queen of heaven during Jeremiah's time. Today the Queen of Heaven and Earth, or the false christ.

when you see the idol of the invader being set up (let the reader understand), let those in Judea flee to the mountains! - Matt. 24: 15

The once and for all sacrifice of Christ is enough (Heb. 9: 25 - 27) What is lacking is OUR sufferings for the sake of the Gospel (Col. 1: 24, Mark 8: 35) There is no longer an offering for sin (Heb. 10: 18, Heb. 9: 2

[tolstoi]

The ones who are consecrated in truth through the message that they preached because of the powerful prayer of Christ.

Matthew 15:

15:7 You hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophesy of you, saying,

15:8 'These people draw near to me with their mouth, And honor me with their lips; But their heart is far from me.

15:9 And in vain do they worship me, Teaching as doctrine rules made by men.'"

15:10 He summoned the multitude, and said to them, "Hear, and understand.

15:11 That which enters into the mouth doesn't defile the man; but that which proceeds out of the mouth, this defiles the man."

[giver_bert]

it seems all religions show the same disparity between belief and practice, and each is safe till it tries to exclude the rest.. beliefs that are in almost every case derived at second-hand, and without careful examination, from authorities who have not themselves examined the questions at issue but have taken them at second-hand from other non-examiners, whose opinions about them were not worth a nerve farthing.

ideally, it's better to test each sect by its best or its worst as you will, by its highest watermark of virtue or its lowest watermark of vice.. falsehood begins when you measure the ebb tide of any other religion against the flood tide of your own.