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  1. #251

    Quote Originally Posted by SPIKE_CSA View Post
    oi necro ang giingon ni St. Paul sa 1 Corinthians 12:13 says, "For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free, and we were all made to drink of one Spirit. For the body is not one member, but many."

    sa ato pa maski kinsa nga nitoo is part of the body of Christ. Ang tinood nga church kay dili lng usa ka denomination matod pa sa inyong santo papa nga ang ROMAN CATHOLIC kuno.

    ang tinood nga universal church of God is all those who have received salvation through faith in Jesus Christ.

    karon necro naa ba giingnon si Jesus Christ nga dapat naa gyud APOSTOLIC SUCCESSION?
    tympa ra sa gud spikey.. ato kuno ni tiwason ang gi sulti ni St. Paul beh aron ta ma tigayon... basaha ha?

    1 Corinthians 12.14-31
    14 Indeed, the body does not consist of one member but of many. 15If the foot were to say, ‘Because I am not a hand, I do not belong to the body’, that would not make it any less a part of the body. 16And if the ear were to say, ‘Because I am not an eye, I do not belong to the body’, that would not make it any less a part of the body. 17If the whole body were an eye, where would the hearing be? If the whole body were hearing, where would the sense of smell be? 18But as it is, God arranged the members in the body, each one of them, as he chose. 19If all were a single member, where would the body be? 20As it is, there are many members, yet one body. 21The eye cannot say to the hand, ‘I have no need of you’, nor again the head to the feet, ‘I have no need of you.’ 22On the contrary, the members of the body that seem to be weaker are indispensable, 23and those members of the body that we think less honourable we clothe with greater honour, and our less respectable members are treated with greater respect; 24whereas our more respectable members do not need this. But God has so arranged the body, giving the greater honour to the inferior member, 25that there may be no dissension within the body, but the members may have the same care for one another. 26If one member suffers, all suffer together with it; if one member is honoured, all rejoice together with it.


    ingon man lagi si Paul, there are many members, yet one body. sa ato pa sa kadaghan sa members usa ra jud diay ang Body sa? usa ra jud ang mag dala sa tanan church diba?

    unya ni ingon pa jud oh, 25that there may be no dissension within the body, but the members may have the same care for one another. so walay away o differences sa tubook church niya..

    unya dong spikey nganong mo ingon man mo, dili mo kauban ana nila! lain na sila nga pagka christian! hehe

    ang romano katoliko dili jud ingana spikey... aw kahibaw man jud ka ana ba kay diha gud ka gikan..hehe

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    I'm sure proud sad mo nga gasige mog lalis diri as catholic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soul Doctor View Post
    I'm sure proud sad mo nga gasige mog lalis diri as catholic.
    wla man ni sila naglalis bro, nagshare raman ni sila.
    then dli man pud tanan dri catholic.. then (correct me if i'm wrong) wala man maglalis ang mga catholic dri.

    cguro you would say "I'm sure proud sad mo nga gasige mog lalis diri as christians" (not as catholics).

  4. #254
    Quote Originally Posted by r3roble View Post
    wla man ni sila naglalis bro, nagshare raman ni sila.
    then dli man pud tanan dri catholic.. then (correct me if i'm wrong) wala man maglalis ang mga catholic dri.

    cguro you would say "I'm sure proud sad mo nga gasige mog lalis diri as christians" (not as catholics).
    i think what he meant by that is ang mga dli catholic ang proud na cgeg lalis sa mga catholic.
    bro soul pls correct me lang if im wrong..

  5. #255
    wala jud fellow catholic nga mag lalis sa ilang faith.. anti-RC noon ug RC kana.. pero dili man jud na lalis, nag bibayluoy lang sa ilang gituhoan.. nya mura ug lalis na jud kay kini man gud mga Anti-RC kay proud pod ni sila sa ilang pagtuo pero tungod sa ka proud mo gawas nga mura na ug all righteous ni sila kay tanan man jud sakto sila dili pwde nga ma correctionan..hehe tinuod nag base sila sa bible alone pero sa ilang kaugalingon nga interpretation.

  6. #256
    Quote Originally Posted by necrotic freak View Post
    tympa ra sa gud spikey.. ato kuno ni tiwason ang gi sulti ni St. Paul beh aron ta ma tigayon... basaha ha?

    1 Corinthians 12.14-31
    14 Indeed, the body does not consist of one member but of many. 15If the foot were to say, ‘Because I am not a hand, I do not belong to the body’, that would not make it any less a part of the body. 16And if the ear were to say, ‘Because I am not an eye, I do not belong to the body’, that would not make it any less a part of the body. 17If the whole body were an eye, where would the hearing be? If the whole body were hearing, where would the sense of smell be? 18But as it is, God arranged the members in the body, each one of them, as he chose. 19If all were a single member, where would the body be? 20As it is, there are many members, yet one body. 21The eye cannot say to the hand, ‘I have no need of you’, nor again the head to the feet, ‘I have no need of you.’ 22On the contrary, the members of the body that seem to be weaker are indispensable, 23and those members of the body that we think less honourable we clothe with greater honour, and our less respectable members are treated with greater respect; 24whereas our more respectable members do not need this. But God has so arranged the body, giving the greater honour to the inferior member, 25that there may be no dissension within the body, but the members may have the same care for one another. 26If one member suffers, all suffer together with it; if one member is honoured, all rejoice together with it.


    ingon man lagi si Paul, there are many members, yet one body. sa ato pa sa kadaghan sa members usa ra jud diay ang Body sa? usa ra jud ang mag dala sa tanan church diba?

    unya ni ingon pa jud oh, 25that there may be no dissension within the body, but the members may have the same care for one another. so walay away o differences sa tubook church niya..

    unya dong spikey nganong mo ingon man mo, dili mo kauban ana nila! lain na sila nga pagka christian! hehe

    ang romano katoliko dili jud ingana spikey... aw kahibaw man jud ka ana ba kay diha gud ka gikan..hehe
    bro, that's not what the passage is talking about... its not talking about different sects, its talking about your roles or work as a member of the Christian body... this talks about letting people know that there is no small or unrespectable work when you're doing it for Christ or God's works...

    Here's my 2 cents about Catholics... not all Catholics are bad, there are some who actually knows what salvation is and is saved... but there are a lot who got blinded by the traditions and rituals that are (or should I say "were") imposed during the old times... We have members in our church who did not renounce being a catholic (I personally call them born-again Catholics) but they like to attend our services because they learn more about Christ and His works (and not the current political taboo) and they are very active in ministry work and openly talks about them being a catholic...

    its not the religion that saves... its faith and grace of God...

    ephesians 2 : 8-9
    8For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9not by works, so that no one can boast.

  7. #257
    Quote Originally Posted by arubinkun View Post
    bro, that's not what the passage is talking about... its not talking about different sects, its talking about your roles or work as a member of the Christian body... this talks about letting people know that there is no small or unrespectable work when you're doing it for Christ or God's works....
    yes bro i know that passage is not talk about different sects.. its all about no dissension within the body (church).. it should be all equal in the eyes of God. Thats why i dont understand why Spikey quoted that passage? to defend my question on christian sects dissension about their biblical interpretations..

    maybe he think that it said, "the body does not consist of one member but of many" that justifies why there are hundreds of sects..

    Quote Originally Posted by arubinkun View Post
    Here's my 2 cents about Catholics... not all Catholics are bad, there are some who actually knows what salvation is and is saved... but there are a lot who got blinded by the traditions and rituals that are (or should I say "were") imposed during the old times... We have members in our church who did not renounce being a catholic (I personally call them born-again Catholics) but they like to attend our services because they learn more about Christ and His works (and not the current political taboo) and they are very active in ministry work and openly talks about them being a catholic...

    its not the religion that saves... its faith and grace of God...

    ephesians 2 : 8-9
    8For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9not by works, so that no one can boast.
    Agree with you there Sir!
    Last edited by necrotic freak; 06-19-2008 at 09:44 AM.

  8. #258
    Traditions and rituals shouldn't be looked down just because they are old. The Catholic Church doesn't stop from thinking about its views, it can also changed its views but not without much thorough debates and discussions within its intellectual circles. Its also insulting on the part of the Catholics if you say that people will learn more about Christ if you attend to your church service than attending our own. Well anyway, if your weekend services involves hours of Bible study, surely, you will learn more about the works of Christ. But, as Indiana Jones says, "If you wanna be a real archeologist, get out off the library". Catholics have services such as the mass which only talks about 2 or 3 Bible readings. But the mass is not just about hearing or reading God's words, its also about accepting him through the breaking of the bread and sharing of the wine, which is great. Surely, its a very very old ritual instituted by Christ himself but not obsolete.
    Quote Originally Posted by arubinkun View Post
    ... not all Catholics are bad, there are some who actually knows what salvation is and is saved... but there are a lot who got blinded by the traditions and rituals that are (or should I say "were") imposed during the old times... We have members in our church who did not renounce being a catholic (I personally call them born-again Catholics) but they like to attend our services because they learn more about Christ and His works (and not the current political taboo) and they are very active in ministry work and openly talks about them being a catholic...

  9. #259
    Quote Originally Posted by necrotic freak View Post
    tympa ra sa gud spikey.. ato kuno ni tiwason ang gi sulti ni St. Paul beh aron ta ma tigayon... basaha ha?

    1 Corinthians 12.14-31
    14 Indeed, the body does not consist of one member but of many. 15If the foot were to say, ‘Because I am not a hand, I do not belong to the body’, that would not make it any less a part of the body. 16And if the ear were to say, ‘Because I am not an eye, I do not belong to the body’, that would not make it any less a part of the body. 17If the whole body were an eye, where would the hearing be? If the whole body were hearing, where would the sense of smell be? 18But as it is, God arranged the members in the body, each one of them, as he chose. 19If all were a single member, where would the body be? 20As it is, there are many members, yet one body. 21The eye cannot say to the hand, ‘I have no need of you’, nor again the head to the feet, ‘I have no need of you.’ 22On the contrary, the members of the body that seem to be weaker are indispensable, 23and those members of the body that we think less honourable we clothe with greater honour, and our less respectable members are treated with greater respect; 24whereas our more respectable members do not need this. But God has so arranged the body, giving the greater honour to the inferior member, 25that there may be no dissension within the body, but the members may have the same care for one another. 26If one member suffers, all suffer together with it; if one member is honoured, all rejoice together with it.


    ingon man lagi si Paul, there are many members, yet one body. sa ato pa sa kadaghan sa members usa ra jud diay ang Body sa? usa ra jud ang mag dala sa tanan church diba?

    unya ni ingon pa jud oh, 25that there may be no dissension within the body, but the members may have the same care for one another. so walay away o differences sa tubook church niya..

    unya dong spikey nganong mo ingon man mo, dili mo kauban ana nila! lain na sila nga pagka christian! hehe

    ang romano katoliko dili jud ingana spikey... aw kahibaw man jud ka ana ba kay diha gud ka gikan..hehe
    haha sipyat nasad ka necro. sakto bitaw nga there is only one body ug mao na akong giigngon nga ang tanan "believers" is PART OF THE BODY OF CHRIST. nalipat man ka dodong kay wa man gud kay lain gihuna2x. mao na basta mag sige pangita ug sayop, mag sige hinoon ka ug kasayop kay mawala ka sa imong concentration. and i repeat ha, ALL BELIEVERS OF CHRIST IS PART OF THE BODY.

    Now, imong gisumpayan nga "USA RA JUD MAGDALA SA TANAN CHURCH" beh mangutana ko nimo necro, diin naman sad ka nangahoy anang imong interpretation nga dapat "USA RA JUD MAGDALA SA TANAN CHURCH"? asa na sa bible makit-an?

    mao na magsige panaway sa uban nga kusog mo interpret pero tan-awa na imong binuhatan necro, ikaw ra ang nagpatuyang ug pasagad ug interpret. paka-uwaw ka lng, wala gyud tawn nag ingon ang bible nga "USA RA JUD MAGDALA SA TANAN CHURCH".

    maski pa ug moingon ka nga complete inyong bible, dili ka kita ana necro. hahaha pahuway na oi, undanng na ana imong style nga pataka interpret.

  10. #260
    Quote Originally Posted by bcasabee View Post
    Traditions and rituals shouldn't be looked down just because they are old. The Catholic Church doesn't stop from thinking about its views, it can also changed its views but not without much thorough debates and discussions within its intellectual circles. Its also insulting on the part of the Catholics if you say that people will learn more about Christ if you attend to your church service than attending our own. Well anyway, if your weekend services involves hours of Bible study, surely, you will learn more about the works of Christ. But, as Indiana Jones says, "If you wanna be a real archeologist, get out off the library". Catholics have services such as the mass which only talks about 2 or 3 Bible readings. But the mass is not just about hearing or reading God's words, its also about accepting him through the breaking of the bread and sharing of the wine, which is great. Surely, its a very very old ritual instituted by Christ himself but not obsolete.
    I understand where you're coming from and I respect your view on our church. Yes, we do have "weekend services involves hours of Bible study" and we also have hours of those that involve application, its not just sit down shut up and listen... I guess, for most of us, we are Indiana Joneses... I'm not talking about those "very very old ritual" like the breaking of the bread and the drinking of the wine because we non-catholics also do that but we don't call it ritual, we call it a celebration/commemoration of the night before Jesus died for us where He made clear how importan fellowship, humility and service is to the Christian family (trivia: this was actually a celebration amongst Jews which remembers the passover and the freedom from slavery when Moses led them out of Egypt, it was not instituted/started by Jesus but actually was celebrated by Jesus and He gave it a new reason to celebrate it because like Moses who saved the Israelites from the bondage of slavery, Jesus was to free us from the slavery of sin) I'm talking about the other things that runs on a very thin line between superstition and religion... you also have to do research as to why those traditions were brought up by the heads of the catholic church... I have nothing against the Catholics, its some of the things that your heads have set for you to do that I have troubles with...

    I have attended Catholic masses, I have gone to school that conducts masses every first friday and yes, the priests do bring up a verse or two from the bible, and I have heard them talk about the verses, I have even served as a altar boy on some of our school masses...

    I'm telling you right now, be proud that you are a Catholic, because the Catholics are part of the Christian community and Christians should be united since we worship only one God... that's the bigger picture, but be careful of the small details that you are doing, you have to ask yourself, is this something that pleases God or something that God will not be happy about, and the only way to answer those questions is by reading the bible...

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