RELIGION

[dacs]

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Hey, as Von-x! has pointed out, the assertions of the RCC and INK on salvation are somewhat similar. I have question though do you reckon Mahatma Gandhi will be saved? Or will he be sentenced to eternal damnation? (Rom. 2: 10 - 12 )

Far from it. But, if you insist, it is your problem - not ours.

I watch shows in CCTN saying that "it is possible for non Catholics to be saved" but knowing the implications of the catechism? It seems to deny that verse in Romans Chapter Two I stated above.

Is there salvation outside the Catholic Church?

Extra ecclesiam nulla salus - outside of the Church, there is no salvation.

First, I would refer you to an article written Fr. William Boat with that title - Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus

Then, I would refer you to the Catechism of the Catholic Church:

"Outside the Church there is no salvation"

846 How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers? Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body:

Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.

847 This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church:

Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation.

848 "Although in ways known to himself God can lead those who, through no fault of their own, are ignorant of the Gospel, to that faith without which it is impossible to please him, the Church still has the obligation and also the sacred right to evangelize all men."

I hope this helps.

[soulshocked]

@dacs

thanks for the links. they were helpful. but after i read it..the more i realized it wasn't... haha! sorry au do kung wla ko ka gets. i've been referring back to my notes..and other people's notes. it would just not fit right.. well anyway.. ga tuyok2x ta noh! haha! well thanks anyway. nalipong nko og basa sa post og basa sa mga links.. honestly lng ay! hehe! chege! post sa mo dha..trabaho sko! tada!

[dacs]

About my post above ^^ I guess the apparition in Bosnia or Medjugorge will dispute me.

Don't think I haven't read CROSSING THE TIBER or the VASULLA RYDEN books. I'm NOT afraid to STEP BACK a little bit... and put 2 and 2 together.

I have the book by Steve Ray but I never wanted to buy Vasulla Ryden(?).

Now Dacs, I've mentioned my stand on how history can be ambiguous. Will you do yourself a favor? I hope you meditate on the implications of hyperdulia and if you can retrieve a Septuagint text read 2 Thes. 2: 2 - 12.

Oi, Blessed be Mary jud baya - Luke 1: 48

But I hope you give my.... innuendos some if little credence.

2 Thessalonians 2:2-12? What about it? There is nothing there against Catholic beliefs. You mean we treat Mary as blessed? Obviously. Luke 1:48 says so. Even Angel Gabriel called her that in Luke 1:28. Take a look at the footnote of that portion of the Bible. Ancient authorities translate that verse as blessed are you among women. This state of Mary is also affirmed by Elizabeth, the mother of John the Baptist, in verse 42.

If the Ten Commandments demand that we should honor our parents, how much honor would Christ give to his mother? You insist that Catholics worship Mary. We deny that and proclaim that that is falsehood. Yet, you will never listen. I rather side with the testimonies of the early Christians. Here is a portion of the Catechism of the Catholic Church which talks about Mary and her relation to the Church founded by Christ.

[dacs]

@dacs

thanks for the links. they were helpful. but after i read it..the more i realized it wasn't... haha! sorry au do kung wla ko ka gets. i've been referring back to my notes..and other people's notes. it would just not fit right.. well anyway.. ga tuyok2x ta noh! haha! well thanks anyway. nalipong nko og basa sa post og basa sa mga links.. honestly lng ay! hehe! chege! post sa mo dha..trabaho sko! tada!

If sarcasm is your only weapon, then there is no contest here.

[soulshocked]

Sarcasm? Contest? only for the feeble-minds bruhh!

[dacs]

Tungod sa mga naning na sapawan na to ang very simple and articulate post ni pnoize2k4, one of our mods... ani nga topic.

The decades of the rosary have now been changed to 4. To shed some light on the issue (pun intended) on the 5th mystery - the Eucharist was at full throttle because of the powers of the 4th Lateran Council on 1215 A.D.

Both pontiffs Innocent III and Honorius had a hand in the definition of Transubstantiation and the Adoration of the Host. When the "bull of may" was issued the so-called "unrepentant heretics" were allowed to be tortured as to prevent the spread of "error".

Should we be thankful otherwise we will be "Muslim" or "heathen" without those things being done by the RCC a long time ago? As Meganda emphasizes, the practice of heterodoxy or being "heathen" as Dacs calls it are one and the same.

But hopefully we're past this now...

Cite your sources, bro. I'll get back to you after that.

[MrBiddle]

I pointed out facts and called her attention to check it.

Facts.... That is what is in question. In my very humble opinion devoid of flattery for the woman mod her humility and unbiasedness makes her a much wiser person than you are, Dacs

Von-X! Di man ingon na bastos to the point nga mag "pusi-pusi" na ko pero I seem to be very audacious in discussions of "crevices" and climactic substances.

[dacs]

Facts.... That is what is in question. In my very humble opinion devoid of flattery for the woman mod her humility and unbiasedness makes her a much wiser person than you are, Dacs

Von-X! Di man ingon na bastos to the point nga mag "pusi-pusi" na ko pero I seem to be very audacious in discussions of "crevices" and climactic substances.

You are not dealing with a kid. Magpakatotoo ka naman, pre.

[n`gel]

Are people talking about me here? Believers man ta, I expect believers to be humble and careful with their choice of words. Sarcastic man hinuon kaayo. Ingnan pa ko your funny, kuwang ang "e". Funny diay akong pagtuo bai? Insulto na sad kaayo nang ingnon tang kataw-anan. Mura ra'g giingnan tang stupid ba.

Dong, ug mao nay kinaiya nga imong nakat-unan sa imong relihiyon, sayop nga imong insultohon imong isig-kataw para lang gyud mapaabot nimo ang imong punto. Di ka moingon funny kay wala ka kaila naku. Selling all belongings for God? If you choose to serve and follow Christ. Sa akong interpretation ug gusto kang mag pare o mag madre, kalimtan nimo ang material nga mga butang sa kalibutan, dili valuable nimo. Kini man gung interpretatoin sa Bible ba lahi², then insultuhon ko nimo? Yay, di ni biased dong uy. Naa koy katungod mo ban nimo, kinsa gaingon permanent ban na ka? Nga mute raman 7 days.

Pero ug mangaway pa ka ug samot, aw, it's your choice nalang.

The very reason why I posted my beliefs in this thread is to encourage change in our country. I encourage believers to be compassionate to the poor and the needy, kay para naku tinuod man. Mao gyud na akongÂ* baruganan. Nga ang taw sa Pilipinas mas muhatag pa sa simbahan kaysa sa mga pobre, nga wala man na sa Bibliya nga mohatag sa simbahan. Everybody knows it's not compulsory, but ang mga taw dong murang robot ba nga wala na lang gyuy laing pamaagi sa paghatag sa Ginoo kay tungod wala gi preach sa simbahan. This invites different interpretations gihapon. Kung ang simbahan ilang i-interpret nga adto nila ang paghatag, dili man sayop kung ang taw mo interpret siya nga mogahin ug panabang sa mga nanginahanglan.

I am a very compassionate person dong, I feel for the poor, though don't judge me kay wala ka kahibalo kung nanghatag ba gyud mi sa mga pobre. It's for God to know. Yaw pag sarcastic kay you're God's believer like us.

Sobra ra sad tong niingon ka your funny, kuwang pa gyud ug "e".

[bisaya70]

Ingnan pa ko your funny, kuwang ang "e".

Sobra ra sad tong niingon ka your funny, kuwang pa gyud ug "e".

very interesting pero wa ko ka get ani nga part, please help....