RELIGION

[MrBiddle]

bitaw, I was saying basin tungod sa atong sige lalis sa doctrinal differences we will be like the Pharisees and Christ said:

"Do what they tell you but not what they do for they preach but don't practice".

Granting that Dacs, Hounded, Von-x!, Meganda, Obese, Sovabon, myself and Tolstoi among many posters here share the same or almost the same faith, what about a discussion on the issue of BIGA?

Without making it so graphic cos di raba ni Mature Discussions.

[MrBiddle]

cos some of us here who profess being a "Christian" might still be succumbing to Sigmund Freuditis - you guys know what I mean. (mwahaha)

[Von!-x]

@MrBiddle - gaunsa man diay ka sa mature discussion forum? We don't know what's the content ana kay wa mi access.

You've read books by Phillip Yancey? I have the "Rumors" book but I haven't started reading it yet. I have quite a collection of his books, plus an original autograph. he he he.

[dacs]

In fairness to Non-Bible believing Christians here, allow me to put a quote from Dante, - don't worry he believes in purgatory and he isn't one of the writers of Scripture:

To know the truth one has to be as humble as the dust
-Dante

If pwedi ko musimang, I guess he is the literary author that they named that volcano probing robot-thingy in Dante's Peak with Pierce Brosnan and Linda Hamilton cos alimu-ot daw ang purgatory and mao ang favorite place ni Dante.

Ha! Ha!

Dante Aligheiri - if that's who you mean - is actually a devout Catholic. His work Purgatorio is an Italian classic. Yet, even so, he placed a number of popes in the realm of purgatory. I can even opine that some may actually have gone to hell if they have not made amends with God on their sins.

[dacs]

Lisud man gud ning naa taay trabaho lain gawas sa pag-istorya.net!



(Kita lang akong ngipon da! Wa ra ba ni ngisihay dinhi.)

[dacs]

Obese Bo Ricardo, the head of the Catholic church is the vatican, not Jesus. Jesus is the Christ they believe in.

I will give you a better - and correct - presentation. The Pope who resides at Vatican City is the vicar of Christ and therefore acts as the visible head of the Church until Christ comes again. Since Christ had entrusted to Peter the feeding of the lambs, and the tending and feeding of the sheeps (John 21:15-17). It is Peter to whom Christ prayed that his faith may not fail and it is Peter who will strengthen his brothers (Luke 22:31-32). Even when the Lord was still with them, it was Peter who acted as his proxy (Matthew 17:24-27). Peter, in paying the tax for Jesus, acts as the Lord's proxy in this earthly matter. In Revelations 3:7, it is Jesus who holds the key to the Kingdom of Heaven since the beginning of time. This Christ give to Peter (Matthew 16:19). This is analogous to what happened with Eliakim in Isaiah 22:15-25. Since a successor is always required for a vacant office (Acts 1:12-26), the successor of Peter - that is, the Pope - holds the keys that Christ has given to Peter. The Pope then acts as the vicar of Christ - the earthly ambassador of the Heavenly King, Jesus Christ.

Pero ang Katolikong pagtuo mugna sa taw. Mao ni siya atong gitawag ug dogma. Authority ba gikan sa mamumuo sa church. Pwersa ba nga pagtudlo... dili pwedeng dili motuo kay kung dili ka motuo la kay faith ingon nila.

Dogmas are not man-made. Dogmas are doctrines of faith that have come to be questioned/attacked by heretics and have to be defended by the Church time and again. These attacks had led to fuller understanding of that doctrine and a fuller definition/description was then placed into words. The divinity of Christ was questioned and attacked before. This led the Church to study the case to make a fuller expression of what it had already believed. That dogma is that Christ is fully human and fully divine. There was also a time that somebody insisted that Christ has only a divine will. The Church also studied the case to make a fuller expression of what it had already believed. That dogma is that Christ has both human and divine will and these two are in complete union. Every dogma of the Catholic Church is a doctrine of the Christian faith. You could say that all dogmas are doctrines but not all doctrines are dogmas.

Dili ta magpakabuta, daghan kaayo contradictions ang catholic doctrines, sa mga tinudlo ni Jesus. Si Jesus dili to magpabayad kada lihok niya. Imbitahon ra sila kaon, tsinelas ra ilang sakyanan, dili carriage. He was poor, and His disciples were also poor. He said leave all wealth and follow him. Mas na mention pa kadaghan sa Bibliya ang paghatag sa mga pobre kaysa paghatag sa simbahan.

Kana lang daan nga dogma contradiction na. If God said give to Him... Nagtuo ta nga ang mga kwarta sa simbahan gihatag nila sa Ginoo. Dili ni literal uy.

You're funny. It has never been a dogma of the Church that priests are to be paid for their works - but it certainly is biblical. I believe it could never be a dogma. 1 Corinthians 9:1-27 tells us, though, that it is the right of those who work in the vineyards of the Lord to earn their living on the fruits of the vineyards (1 Corinthians 9:11). Though St. Paul did not make use of this right, he neither condemned it or preached against it.

Naa gyud na sa iyang tudlo nga ang paghatag sa mga pobre gahatag ka niya as well. Mga du, datu kaayong vatican uy, ug gihatag sa mga pobre ang ilang kwarta (hatag man tuod na sila noh? Pero tapsing²) lang. Sus la lang mo kebaw pilay kwarta ma kolekta kada parokya every month. Tanan gud naay bayad, bunyag, kasal, patay, hasta gani paampo sa lubong naa pa bayad kada usa. Ngiga da!

Tapsing?! Please read and try to know the facts. The Catholic Church is the biggest charitable institution in the world - expending billions of dollars in charitable works. Caritas, a Catholic charitable group, is in fact the biggest charitable group in the whole world in terms of charitable expenditures. Grabe na man sad na ka prejudiced imong gipanulti, sis.

Tell me, how should the priests get their living allowances? If some Protestant pastors require tithes, why see only the voluntary offerings given to priests? What happens to the 'love offerings' in your church? Nothing goes to the pastors? Who audit these pastors?

Dili ta magpakabuta. Dili ni sugo sa Ginoo. Sugo ni sa mga mamumuo sa simbahan.

At least, we are not as blind to the truth as you seemingly are.

Kung daghan untang pobre tabangan, mo-ubos ang pagsala sa pagpangawat, pagpatay, daghan kaayo ang kausaban unta. That goes to the poor who really need our help, naa may uban dili angay tabangan kay magsalig man.

Why don't you sell your belongings and give it to the poor? You have no right to grumble if you yourself have not sold all of your belongings and given the money to the poor. Plastikan lang ba?

Diri sa gawas, daghan kaayong mga organizations, naay uban religious organizations, nga mo sponsor ug orphanage. Tinuod ni, mga orphanages sa atoa internationally supported. Pero dili kwarta gikan sa Katoliko mga bai. La man ko gaingon nga wala gyud silay ingon ana noh? Considering their wealth, tapsing² lang ang ilang pagawas sa kwarta. Ka imagine ba mo pila ka milyon ning kwarta akong pasabot?

Pila man? Tagai ko ug pruweba ha?! Ayaw nang tinumutumo.

This is one change in our country that will make a difference. Ang pagmata sa hypnosis sa simbahan, and trace the beginnings of the one TRUE church, long before the Bible was ever compiled, panahon sa mga Apostles ni Jesus, ug panahon ni Jesus mismo.

Ug mao ni atong matugkad sa atong pagpangita sa kamatuoran, molambo tang tanan, kay mao ni tinuod nga grasya.

Prove, sis, that there is hypnosis happening. Ayaw pagtumutumo.

[MrBiddle]

Ha! Ha!

Dante Aligheiri - if that's who you mean - is actually a devout Catholic. Â*His work Purgatorio is an Italian classic. Â*Yet, even so, he placed a number of popes in the realm of purgatory. Â*I can even opine that some may actually have gone to hell if they have not made amends with God on their sins.

Dacs! Seem to be lightening up now right?

Tingsi na lagi ta tanan Dacs, kay users like N'Gel, and Von!-X and myself have been advocating a more semi-ecumenical approach to our discourses here.

I hope you have a cardiologist, Dacs because I am Obese Bo Ricardo

Gawas bitawng ngipon! hahahahahahahaa.

[MrBiddle]

Tapsing?! Please read and try to know the facts. The Catholic Church is the biggest charitable institution in the world - expending billions of dollars in charitable works. Caritas, a Catholic charitable group, is in fact the biggest charitable group in the whole world in terms of charitable expenditures. Grabe na man sad na ka prejudiced imong gipanulti, sis.

Tell me, how should the priests get their living allowances? If some Protestant pastors require tithes, why see only the voluntary offerings given to priests? What happens to the 'love offerings' in your church? Nothing goes to the pastors? Who audit these pastors?

Bro, try to be more polite with N'Gel. She's a moderator unless nagsabot mo and this seeming absence of more tact is a farce for you to defend the RCC in a very presentable manner but I doubt that.

May I remind you that mods are to be treated with utmost respect.

[dacs]

Never really mattered to me to whom I am having an argument. I need only to know what's new in their argument. I never intended to convert anyone. My sole intent is to give defense to the faith that I hold.

Okey, I have to check more papers now. Be back later!

[MrBiddle]

Never really mattered to me to whom I am having an argument. I need only to know what's new in their argument. I never intended to convert anyone. My sole intent is to give defense to the faith that I hold.

Okey, I have to check more papers now. Be back later!

Well, same with me... but I've made mistakes and I figured that if I wanted to get a point of being a little reserved with the ecumenical movement or the Catholic-Pentecostal alliance, I realized shouting like Jack Nicholson in a courtroom scene from A FEW GOOD MEN wasn't the way to go.

Hence my name-sake which is more like a parody of Obese Bo Ricardo Cardinal Vidal had to be banned. Peace and let's continue with the approach of building more respect and of course don't ignore Toltoi's reminders a few posts up.