Mga Cebuano proud ba ni Winston Garcia?

[cdburgh]

ug bsan short pa ang explanations (pwede pa gani wala), daghan cebuanos ang proud ni w.garcia...that's also a fact.

ang lisod sabton aning argumentoha is ngano man nga nag poll pa man ta kung dili nato i take nga fact ang results sa atong poll.Let us not get too caught up in arguing our individual points and take time out to examine the results of the poll:

OUt of 57 participants as of June 14, 2008 ONLY 21.05% are proud, (12/57) 12.28% is neutral (7/57) and an overwhelming 66.67% is not proud (38/57) . Assuming that this forum is a pretty good representation of the population, then we can draw our conclusions from the numbers above. YOu ended your last comment that daghan ang proud and you said that is a FACT but the big BUT is that is not borne out by the poll results. If you are aware of a poll in another forum or conducting your own survey, then it is safe to say that we have no other FACTS to base our conclusions on other than the numbers above.

[giddyboy]

ang lisod sabton aning argumentoha is ngano man nga nag poll pa man ta kung dili nato i take nga fact ang results sa atong poll.Let us not get too caught up in arguing our individual points and take time out to examine the results of the poll:

OUt of 57 participants as of June 14, 2008 ONLY 21.05% are proud, (12/57) 12.28% is neutral (7/57) and an overwhelming 66.67% is not proud (38/57) . Assuming that this forum is a pretty good representation of the population, then we can draw our conclusions from the numbers above. YOu ended your last comment that daghan ang proud and you said that is a FACT but the big BUT is that is not borne out by the poll results. If you are aware of a poll in another forum or conducting your own survey, then it is safe to say that we have no other FACTS to base our conclusions on other than the numbers above.

kanang poll na2 dire bro, purely for "fun" ra na oi & it has no bearing as to what really (or even close to real) are the sentiments of the Cebuanos (even sa istoryans) regarding WGarcia. AND NEVER jud ka mka assume nga gud representation nana ang 57 voters sa whole cebuano population ky pwerteng hagbonga nana daan sa statistics. kaning poll2x na2 dire, ato ato ra na ginagmay bah ky di mn tanan pud natong istoryans hilig anang politics & current events...

Istorya polls are PURELY for FUN. and that's the purpose...

& when i say "daghan ang proud, that is also fact", i ws just making this logical reasoning based rasad sa imong gisulti nga "daghan ang dili proud as a fact" ky tinuod man btaw gyud imong gisulti. nya kay tinuod lagi, so in effect tinuod pud akoang gisulti...the only underlying question that comes to mind is "asa ang mas daghan"?

to explain further my logic: based on SET THEORY sa math, if u draw up 2 overlapping circles representing one as "proud" & the other "not proud" like a VENN DIAGRAM, u will know what i mean...& if u look closer at the area where they overlap each other, that represents "neutral votes" (and that is also a fact)...

[raul]

& when i say "daghan ang proud, that is also fact", i ws just making this logical reasoning based rasad sa imong gisulti nga "daghan ang dili proud as a fact" ky tinuod man btaw gyud imong gisulti. nya kay tinuod lagi, so in effect tinuod pud akoang gisulti...the only underlying question that comes to mind is "asa ang mas daghan"?

to explain further my logic: based on SET THEORY sa math, if u draw up 2 overlapping circles representing one as "proud" & the other "not proud" like a VENN DIAGRAM, u will know what i mean...& if u look closer at the area where they overlap each other, that represents "neutral votes" (and that is also a fact)...

mathematics nasad ta...hehehe

the nuetral could not be those where the two circles overlap, because they are neither proud or not proud. thus, they belong outside the cirles called the "universal set" pero they can changed from neutral to either proud an not proud. meaning kulang ang diagram nga 2 circles, so mo add ta ug rectangle then adto nato isulod ang 2 circles.hehehe.

and most importantly...i think it is wrong to use the venn diagram in these situation, kay the proud and not proud can never overlap each other. because when say you are neutral, you are not supporting any side or position. so you are not common to those proud and not proud.

in short, majority wins(istorya.net wise lang)..hehehe. smile everybody.

[tinsi]

mathematics nasad ta...hehehe

the nuetral could not be those where the two circles overlap, because they are neither proud or not proud. thus, they belong outside the cirles called the "universal set" pero they can changed from neutral to either proud an not proud. meaning kulang ang diagram nga 2 circles, so mo add ta ug rectangle then adto nato isulod ang 2 circles.hehehe.

and most importantly...i think it is wrong to use the venn diagram in these situation, kay the proud and not proud can never overlap each other. because when say you are neutral, you are not supporting any side or position. so you are not common to those proud and not proud.

in short, majority wins(istorya.net wise lang)..hehehe. smile everybody.

agree ko sa gisulti ni raul ug cdburgh. And please when statistics is used it is never possible to interview or poll from a whole population. Mismo NCSO sampling ra na ilang gihimo pero nganong NITOO MAN TA? Hasta diay kana sayop kay dili total population. Yes maybe only 57 as cdburgh wrote pero sa karun 59 na, is not the whole population but that is why naay sampling (statistics man kaha ning atong gi istoryahan) dili tawun ko statistician pero mas maayo na lang ning naay gibasihan nga 59 , ang imong FACT NGA DAGHAN GANAHAN asa man na gikan? Naa pod diay laing survey?

LIsod man god nang dili tuhoan ang resulta sa kadaghanan. Kanang mag survey sa TV nga pa texton ka kung asa ka laban dili man na tibook population diil pod diay na angay toho-an? Di na na kinahanglan i-venn diagram uy. Sa pag tan-aw pa lang sa numero (sa bar pa lang klaro na) kung unsa ang majority.

[cdburgh]

kanang poll na2 dire bro, purely for "fun" ra na oi & it has no bearing as to what really (or even close to real) are the sentiments of the Cebuanos (even sa istoryans) regarding WGarcia. AND NEVER jud ka mka assume nga gud representation nana ang 57 voters sa whole cebuano population ky pwerteng hagbonga nana daan sa statistics. kaning poll2x na2 dire, ato ato ra na ginagmay bah ky di mn tanan pud natong istoryans hilig anang politics & current events...
to explain further my logic: based on SET THEORY sa math, if u draw up 2 overlapping circles representing one as "proud" & the other "not proud" like a VENN DIAGRAM, u will know what i mean...& if u look closer at the area where they overlap each other, that represents "neutral votes" (and that is also a fact)...

lisora gyud pukawon aning gamata uy.
klaro na kaayo ang result sa poll, you don't have to be a statistician to know the result. pun-an pa gyud ug complex arithmetic nga dili applicable hahay. if the result do not represent the sentiments of the cebuanos, you cannot deny that majority of the istoryans who have this thread and indicated their sentiments ARE NOT proud of WG "period".

Istorya polls are PURELY for FUN. and that's the purpose...

purely for fun? really?
i am not quite sure if gpcortes07 who started this thread did this purely for fun.
can you site me the forum rules that Istorya polls are purely for fun?
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& when i say "daghan ang proud, that is also fact", i ws just making this logical reasoning based rasad sa imong gisulti nga "daghan ang dili proud as a fact" ky tinuod man btaw gyud imong gisulti. nya kay tinuod lagi, so in effect tinuod pud akoang gisulti...the only underlying question that comes to mind is "asa ang mas daghan"?

Proud 12 20.34% Dili proud 40 67.80% Neutral lang 7 11.86%
logically, "asa ang mas daghan"?

[giddyboy]

mathematics nasad ta...hehehe

the nuetral could not be those where the two circles overlap, because they are neither proud or not proud. thus, they belong outside the cirles called the "universal set" pero they can changed from neutral to either proud an not proud. meaning kulang ang diagram nga 2 circles, so mo add ta ug rectangle then adto nato isulod ang 2 circles.hehehe.

and most importantly...i think it is wrong to use the venn diagram in these situation, kay the proud and not proud can never overlap each other. because when say you are neutral, you are not supporting any side or position. so you are not common to those proud and not proud.

in short, majority wins(istorya.net wise lang)..hehehe. smile everybody.

my god! i believe u have a good correction on the venn diagram thingy...gamit ghapon oi pero like u said, dili cla supposed to be overlapping diay...at least ngkasinabot ta dha dapita...yep, majority wins in the "not proud" votes for WGarcia, istorya.net/politics & current events wise lang...

pero di pa rin tapos ang laban. go winston, go! hehehe

[giddyboy]

agree ko sa gisulti ni raul ug cdburgh. And please when statistics is used it is never possible to interview or poll from a whole population. Mismo NCSO sampling ra na ilang gihimo pero nganong NITOO MAN TA? Hasta diay kana sayop kay dili total population. Yes maybe only 57 as cdburgh wrote pero sa karun 59 na, is not the whole population but that is why naay sampling (statistics man kaha ning atong gi istoryahan) dili tawun ko statistician pero mas maayo na lang ning naay gibasihan nga 59 , ang imong FACT NGA DAGHAN GANAHAN asa man na gikan? Naa pod diay laing survey?

LIsod man god nang dili tuhoan ang resulta sa kadaghanan. Kanang mag survey sa TV nga pa texton ka kung asa ka laban dili man na tibook population diil pod diay na angay toho-an? Di na na kinahanglan i-venn diagram uy. Sa pag tan-aw pa lang sa numero (sa bar pa lang klaro na) kung unsa ang majority.

ing ani man gud ni cya:

if ur gonna ask any statistician, naay gidaghanon sa samples needed to reach a certain acceptable "significance level" ug kanang gitawag nga "margin of error". basing on SWS surveys, if im not mistaken, they don't interview (at random) less than 1,500 people to get results for a survey intended for something w/in the phils.. even how the random sampling is being made naa sab nay mga standards nga paagi. and the more the samples, the more likely the results will get "precisely" to the "actual" results.

The most common significance level, used to mean something is good enough to be believed, is 0.95. This means that the finding has a 95% chance of being true. now basing sa atong polls, di man gani ta ka compute ana ky kuwang ang data...

that's why if we base the 57 voters sa entire Cebuano population, nya wa pa gyuy standard procedure on sampling, di gyud na mosalir sa statistics. pwede ra ta kaingon nuon nga kung i-base lng sa mga istoryans, it is more likely that majority of istoryans are "not proud" of WGarcia. but even then, we still have to consider that not all istoryans would even click Politics and Current Events forums...

and regarding venn diagrams, it is a tool to provide simple illustration to help compare and contrast two or more items or groups. atong i-illustrate ang istorya poll ha. ang "proud votes" gmay na nga circle. ang "not proud votes" dako nga circle. and as what raul explained, wala ni nag overlap ang duha.

i hope u do get my point.

[tinsi]

ing ani man gud ni cya:

that's why if we base the 57 voters sa entire Cebuano population, di gyud na mosalir sa statistics. pwede ra ta kaingon nuon nga kung i-base lng sa mga istoryans, it is more likely that majority of istoryans are "not proud" of WGarcia. but even then, we still have to consider that not all istoryans would even click Politics and Current Events forums...

i hope u do get my point.

Oh yes sir I do get your point ...loud and clear.... that you refuse to accept the results of the poll. That has been what I have been arguing from the very start before you introduced statistics into the picture. Each to his own...

[giddyboy]

lisora gyud pukawon aning gamata uy.
klaro na kaayo ang result sa poll, you don't have to be a statistician to know the result. pun-an pa gyud ug complex arithmetic nga dili applicable hahay. if the result do not represent the sentiments of the cebuanos, you cannot deny that majority of the istoryans who have this thread and indicated their sentiments ARE NOT proud of WG "period".

as i've said, yes, it would be likely that majority of istoryans are "not proud". but we have to consider that walay procedure sa sampling nga gihimo. meaning, kad2 rang interesado sa poll ang ningbotar. we also have to consider that not all istoryans would even click Politics and Current events forums and even vote to a topic like this.

mao nay giingon, napukaw lagi ka knuhay, pero inom sa ug alka seltzer para mawa imong hangover para tin-aw ang huna2x.

purely for fun? really?
i am not quite sure if gpcortes07 who started this thread did this purely for fun.
can you site me the forum rules that Istorya polls are purely for fun?

yup. u can ask any of our moderators here and surely u will get the same answer. "Istorya polls are purely for fun". if im not mistaken, that question has been answered na long before sa laing thread.

[giddyboy]

Oh yes sir I do get your point ...loud and clear.... that you refuse to accept the results of the poll. That has been what I have been arguing from the very start before you introduced statistics into the picture. Each to his own...

lagi, to each his own. i respect each opinion but that doesn't mean i can't make my own points.

mao btaw niingon ko nga purely for fun ra ang poll nato (which was already explained by our mods) ky in polls like this, wala man tay basis para mka ingon ta nga dako ang chance nga "believable".

Now assuming sa istorya ra. lagi, makita nga mas daghan ang nibotar sa "not proud", but the thing is, it cannot prove itself that it has a big chance of being believable. that's why i refuse to accept the poll results clearly ky kuwang ang data to make it believable enough. izzatclear? i dunno to what degree u understand this part of statistics but i have it clear as ice.

The most common significant level, used to mean something is good enough to be believed, is 0.95. This means that the finding has a 95% chance of being true. now, how can u prove that this poll is good enough to be believed in when in the first place we don't have data to compute even for the "significance level" man lang?