Pope Pooh-poohs "Potter"

[DebutsAndIDos]

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Getting back to the topic...

Personally, I find the HP books very engaging. I couldn't stop until I finsihed the HBP in one sitting, it was really enthralling.

But, I would not want a very young person to be reading that book. For me, it has the potential to encourage young people into cultic behavior. It's already happening, right? Waiting in line for three days to get a copy of the book and all that...

I can't help comparing it to Tolkien's LOTR and Lewis' Narnia where we know these are different worlds and the line between fantasy and reality is very sharply drawn.

In the HP series, magic occurs in this world of ours. The line is not clearly drawn. Kids with a very vivid imagination will want to try and prove that they are wizrds and witches.

I just feel that grown-ups should discuss the book with the little ones reading it, just to make sure that they are reading it as a fantasy, and are not tempted to act on it.

[priceless]

i surely agree with you DebutsAndIDo's!!!!!

[MrBiddle]

Getting back to the topic...

Personally, I find the HP books very engaging. I couldn't stop until I finsihed the HBP in one sitting, it was really enthralling.

But, I would not want a very young person to be reading that book. For me, it has the potential to encourage young people into cultic behavior. It's already happening, right? Waiting in line for three days to get a copy of the book and all that...

I can't help comparing it to Tolkien's LOTR and Lewis' Narnia where we know these are different worlds and the line between fantasy and reality is very sharply drawn.

In the HP series, magic occurs in this world of ours. The line is not clearly drawn. Kids with a very vivid imagination will want to try and prove that they are wizrds and witches.

I just feel that grown-ups should discuss the book with the little ones reading it, just to make sure that they are reading it as a fantasy, and are not tempted to act on it.

Correct-o-mondo! That's why the Motion Picture Association of America should rate the book PG-13 ;b

[dacs]

OT: How about that?

The Bible came from the apostles and John sealed it meaning nothing can be added or removed. The Roman church isn't the "Mother Church" it is the harlot that sits on seven hills.
(Revelatn, 17: 9) and since it's the largest group of supposed Christians (Rev. 17: 15), many have been duped into following the ways of the harlot (Matt 7: 13)

What an outright lie! If John sealed the Bible, then the Bible (with all its collection of books) must have been there even before John's death at around 96 - 110 A.D. Modern scholarship date the three books (gospel and the two letters) written by John around 40 - 65 A.D. Yet, the Revelation to John is dated between 68 and 70 A.D. Are you saying then that the Bible is already complete by 70 A.D.? Where is your proof? No book in the Bible list the books that are supposed to be included in it.

Look at Colossians 4:16. Where in the Bible is the letter of Paul to the Laodiceans? Paul exhorted the Colossians to also read his letter to the Laodiceans. If the letter of Paul to the Colossians is valuable (it is in the Bible, right?) to us and, in that letter, Paul exhorted the Colossians to read also his letter to the Laodiceans, why is that letter to the Laodiceans not in the Bible?

In Acts 11:26, the disciples of Christ were first called 'Christians' in Antioch. Conclusion? There were already Christians even before the book of the Acts of the Apostles was written. Ergo, there was no Bible then. What did these early Christians use as a rule of faith?

The beast is the Mary of the Apparitions, sitting as the 8th king after Gaius, Tiberius, Caligula, Julius, Agustus, Galba and Nero vis a vis Queen of Heaven and Earth (Jer. 44: 19)

Blessed be Mary! Luke 1:48 - "for He has looked with favor on the lowliness of His servant. Surely, from now on, all generations will call me blessed." I am more biblically grounded than you. You placed Mary among beast; yet, I, a Catholic, call her blessed as the Bible said.

It has blasphemous titles, meaning attributes that are supposed to belong solely to Christ like the Life (Jn 11: 25, ) The Hope (Col. 1: 27) or the Advocate (1 Jn 2:1) Mary is the perfect disguise, besides who with an iota of love for God will dare revile Mary?

This impostor Mary of the apparitions has also exalted itself above all saints (2 Thes. 2: 4) hence the hyperdulia doctrine.

Since this is an out-of-topic discussion, I offer you a private discussion. Send me via PM your objections to Mary and I will answer all of them. I may even used Protestant sources to defend our beliefs on Mary.

'Til then, let's get back to Harry.

[vanceloma]

EEEEEKKKK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

HARRY POTTER IS THE ANTICHRIST!!!!

AIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

[samokan]

Thats what happens when something is famous, it became an antichrist hahahaha
anyways, its a good read and harry has a love story already. The way 'ary and won-won are portrayed is very similar to a real adolescent boy, at least in that sense its kinda realistic and not some goodie-two-shoe character..

There is another book about magic and stuff , Bartimaeus Trilogy, although not as famous and hype as HP, but the emphasis on Magic, Wizard and Witches is evident and the W - W uses djini and demons as slaves, so I guess this should be consider as an anti-christ also eh ?


OT ( hopefully no one will kill me for this )
The Bible as we know today did not come from any apostles and Jesus himself. It was commissioned by Council of Nicea during the time of Constantine. It was use as a tool and as a symbol for unifying the population because they were on the verge of war. The gospel of Mathew , Luke , Mark were probably not written by themselves, or if it was , of course this has to be approved by emperor. The Gospel of John, as some biblical scholars would point out, was added later , and was probably written by John himself, although it still was subjected to alteration.
The many symbol of the Catholic faith are not original to the Catholic faith, one example is going to church on Sunday, in Roman/Greek Era, Sunday was special day for worshipping the Sun god, the halo in the head of the different saints are also taken the Roman/Greek symbolism. So you see, the Catholic faith continues to evolve, even until now.

Now am not bashing, am not Catholic, but I am a firm believer in God and all the Saints, but I do keep an open mind. An entity as big and as powerful as the Roman Catholic could not have achieved its state today without resorting to force sometimes in the past, it has its skeleton in the closet.

Mao lang to akong i-samok samok :: bow::

[samokan]

oh and by the way I found this

http://www.columbia.edu/cu/augustine...andt/nicea.htm

oh and I think it was in this council that they decided that Jesus was the Son of God.And so they proclaim it


Fleur: I zink that I am beautiful enough for the two of us

[vanceloma]

even Archie comics' own SABRINA has even more witching than harry potter, no one seems to care...

[dacs]

OT ( hopefully no one will kill me for this )
The Bible as we know today did not come from any apostles and Jesus himself. It was commissioned by Council of Nicea during the time of Constantine.

Huh?! The Council of Nicaea in 325 A.D. never did such a thing. That council was convoked to combat the growing Arian heresy. Perhaps the earliest decision on a complete canon (for what came to be called as Bible) was during the Council of Laodicea (360 A.D.). A local council - Council of Rome - on 382 A. D. under the authority of Pope Damasus produced the first complete list of canonical books of the Old Testament and New Testament. The councils of Hippo (393 A.D.) and Carthage (397 A.D.) approved a list of OT and NT canon which is the same as that approved in the Council of Trent (1545-1563).

It was use as a tool and as a symbol for unifying the population because they were on the verge of war. The gospel of Mathew , Luke , Mark were probably not written by themselves, or if it was , of course this has to be approved by emperor. The Gospel of John, as some biblical scholars would point out, was added later , and was probably written by John himself, although it still was subjected to alteration.

Quote your sources please and PM me. Thank you.

The many symbol of the Catholic faith are not original to the Catholic faith, one example is going to church on Sunday, in Roman/Greek Era, Sunday was special day for worshipping the Sun god, the halo in the head of the different saints are also taken the Roman/Greek symbolism. So you see, the Catholic faith continues to evolve, even until now.

I agree. Surprised? Indeed, the Catholic faith continues to develop as it should be. As with a seed, when planted, it will not retain its prior characteristic as a seed but grow into something 'more developed'. The Church had to fight heresies upon heresies - and with each battle, she grows in knowledge and understanding with the aid of the Holy Spirit. Be on watch though of people who calls themselves Christians and claims to have known and understood everything that we have to know and understand in our Christian faith.

Now am not bashing, am not Catholic, but I am a firm believer in God and all the Saints, but I do keep an open mind. An entity as big and as powerful as the Roman Catholic could not have achieved its state today without resorting to force sometimes in the past, it has its skeleton in the closet.

A closet that is wide open, if I may add. Yet, have you ever heard of Edmund Campion and how he died in the hands of Protestants? Have you ever read what happened to Catholics who practice their faith during the reign of Queen Elizabeth of England? Have you ever read what happened to Catholics in Mexico during the reign of the Fascists? Would like to know more? PM me.

... and, please, let us go back to Harry.

[The_Gadore]

personally, i think we can all still be good catholics and read harry potter novels at the same time... i don't think this would be a problem (well, not unless you're reading them while in the middle of a mass...joke!)