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  1. #611

    Default Re: V. Sotto Medical Surgery Spectacle

    Quote Originally Posted by yokam
    By assessing what happened, VSMMC's management should be liable too. VSMMC is a public hospital and it is very much expected that the number of patients would be high at all times. If there were at least 10 persons in the OR during that time and only at most 3 or 4 are doing the procedure and the rest taking shots, mocking and laughing, and filming a what would be another international hit, who are attending to the other patients?

    What happened didn't only show how unprofessional and unethical those people were but the hospital's poor management as well.

    NOT JUST THE HOSPITAL be responsible ... asta ang school atong mga students nga mao jud siguro to nagsugod sa pag video ... naa pa jud celphone naa sa babaw jud sa pasyente's private part ... at least 20 people jud ang naa did2 ... naa pa isa nga naa still digital camera ... at least 3 or 4 people that i saw w/ their celphones/digicam ... KUNG INGON ANG HEAD SA VICENTE nag CHEERS ... WHY mag CHEERS man sa wa pa nagawas ... sige naman katawa sila ... recording it without a permission from the patient ... maski nga isolated case pa na ... why naa mga celphone sa mga attendant did2 ... that should be only's hospital video camera TAKE NOTE WITH THE PERMISSION OF THE PERSON ... and there should nothing more than 5 PEOPLE in the operating room if you are not assisting ... naa pa ang door sige open kay naa mo sulod ug naki susyo


    if there's one rotten apple the whole barrel will gone bad ... MAO na ilang gi buhat sa tanang healthcare provider ...

  2. #612

    Default Re: V. Sotto Medical Surgery Spectacle

    latest update on this issue:

    http://www.sunstar.com.ph/static/net...l.records.html

    link to the decision of VSMMC regarding the medical staff involved in this incident (video available thorugh youtube too)
    http://www.sunstar.com.ph/breakingne...ress-briefing/

  3. #613

    Default Re: V. Sotto Medical Surgery Spectacle

    Quote Originally Posted by johnny22aa
    from me: 4/17/08

    bradderr, bsan naa pa na sa akong atubangan ang video all the time, wa koy pakialam bsta buhaton nako ang angay nkong buhaton. so what if the video sells hotcakes? what im taking is about my own reputation as a med profession abroad. of course i would feel remorse on what happened to the patient ug sa mga tao ilang na apektahan. pero i have my own job to do. so be it kung makatag na, let the worst come if thats what you think. if mga puti tries to belittle me by mentioning that sotto incident, as a filipino i would humble down to 'em about that mistake but as med professional in front of their GOD DAMNED face, id just head up as if i say i can still do an excellent job. AND THIS SHOULD BE OUR ATTITUDE! dli ta moapil ug ti orok, para ka2 lng nga kaso!

    from omad: 4/18/08

    you can continue your cat fight later but let me stress a point,

    Johnny22aa:

    we won't know the exact impact of this "VSMMC issue" in the global medical field until we hear from you or your fellow healthcare providers firsthand job-hunting experience in the future. you're right, it doesn't matter "even if this video plays in front of you all day long". of course it won't matter as much to you because you are "a nurse" and it's not in your job description to hire one. that's an HR's or hospital admin's job to hire one. got the point?

    common sense tells me it matters greatly if it plays all day long in front of hospital HR people all over the world, those same people who gets to decide who to hire and not hire. see the difference? let me ask you again, does it matter now?

    you can say: "wa koy pakialam bsta buhaton nako ang angay nkong buhaton" or "kung naa nata sa US, i prove nato nga we are world class" over and over again but what if you or any nurse won't get hired in the US because of either the "nursing board exam issue" or "VSMMC Issue"? how can you show your world-class qualities then if that's the case? mind you, working in Manila all your life is not "world-class".

    see? you have to get hired in the US first before you can show them what you can do. so for now, just wait until "YOU GET HIRED" before opening your yap about showing "mga puti" what you can do. don't start getting cocky as if it's guaranteed you'll get hired 100% in the US, UK or any other country for that matter in the days to come. there are a lot of obstacles in that direction even before both issues came about. it seems to me that you're already counting the chicks before the eggs are hatched.

    sometimes being humble and just doing your best without mentioning it would be appreciated more by people in my opinion.

    it's true that Filipino nurses BEFORE didn't encounter problems when they applied abroad but that changed right after the "nursing exam issue of 2006". even if 90% of future medical field applicants get hired abroad without any hassle but having the rest (10%) running into some problems relating to what ranZter shared then IT IS STILL A BIG IMPACT no matter how you play spin doctor with this issue.

    now you have two more negative issues hanging over your head aside from the existing hurdles that a medical practitioner should overcome when applying for medical jobs abroad. just do the math.


    from me: NOW

    bro, first of all this is not a cat fight and i hate my opinions to be called one. i will also stress my point to you from your own point.

    i agree we still dont know what's the exact impact on the issue yet im not hoping it would be disastrous to me and my fellow med professions here and abroad. why are you hoping that it would hit you? that means you are expecting EVIL things to your life and will keep on happening to you till ur last breath of existence and to your last generation. what im expecting is even this buzz keeps on lingering other people's mind, SO WHAT? i mean everybody should think like this. i have a job to do and i deserve to be have a happy one bsan pila pa na ka scandal!

    you're correct, we will be job hunting for abroad in the future. and i expect my future employers puts a great deal on my resume, my work experience, my academic background, my personal information, character references and of course my performance on the interview. this is what im expecting for "big thinker" HR personnel & hospital admin looking for broad minded med professionals. yes, ur correct, this is reality. and it's another reality for PEA-BRAINED HR personnel and hospital admin. pretty sure dli na cla magduha2x ug hisgot anang sotto incident as if all filipinos are part of it. no doubt bisan sobra na ang shortage sa ilang facilities, they'd never put it out on their minds ka2ng video ilang nakit-an bahin sa sotto! and i make it a point those are of your kind nga di jud mohawa ug magpalayo nimo coz thats what you want and ur expecting in the 1st place.

    yes, i would certainly say nga wa jud koy paki bsta buhaton nako ang angay nko buhaton with a WORLD-CLASS motiff. ang2x naman sad manghilabot sa mga buluhaton sa uban? u should concentrate on what ur doing, otherwise wa juy employer mo hire nimo. ti-orok na lng kas inyo. and of course there should be a standard, a world-class level. first of all, that's the reason US chose pinas because we have the potential to be one (our english advantage is a big, big one!) even there are still big challnges to face. ang2x naman sad mo mentener ka sa level ka2ng nakit an nimo sa sotto. im sure mao na imong ganahan, let it haunt u, deep deep down. FOREVER.

    i again agree with u braader ka2ng nursing board issue. korek ka naglisod jud ang uban, dako kaau tong hassle jud. i have a cousin pa man gli nga nag utang2x ka2 nga time. but did they give up? HELL NO. so what if prc or nclex or your employer sa US decides to let you take again? pili, mag nurse ka or mamaligya na lng kag kuchilyo? kung ganahan jud ka mag nurse sa abroad, ul do everthing to make it happen. no matter how hard it is.

    yes bro, even before nag decide ko moskuyla ug nursing. ga expect na jud ko nga mo abroad ko ug mo trabaho dd2. petitionan ko ug h1b working visa or green card sa akong employer. thats how i see myself after im done sa skul. nganong mog tuga2x kuno ug skuyla aning kursoha kung kbaw ko wa koy padulngan. and bro, im opening my yap not for the sake of arguing but because i know my abilities sa linya sa trabaho, no matter how many scandal is. mao ra jud na akong point. and im saying this should be everyone's elses thinking.

    u say ur anticipating for IMPACT that'd be felt soon. ur correct, it's like lozada! but look at lozada right now, asa naman cya? have u thought about flor contemplacion? ngano preferred man ta sa mga singapore employers more than any other ASEAN countries in terms of it professionals, med workers? sarah balabagan, nganong ang dubai is already the preferred job destination sa ato next to saudi. sa japan, bsan we here japanese nationals are on a threat from crimes here or our japayukis have work issues there? JPEPA? why are they starting to get nurses and caregivers to us? kung ganahan ka, apilon nato c rizal, ngano ang spain already proposes to hire caregivers? cant u just c d glittering gold aside sa sotto incident?

    ur absolutely correct bro na being humble doing ur best without mentioning is more appreciated. but u cant just let others say na ang nursing wa nay kaugmaon just because of that incident. im doing my best to defend that this is just an isolated incident and this should not affect the whole med profession. and that's all this forum "istorya.net" can do, mention by typing and posting what's on ur head. kundi puydi pa lng mo tumbling atubangan NIMO wyl gabasa ka ani, y not!

    i dont need rithmetic nor job issues to dwell upon, for christ sake. maybe ur just getting more involved on the sotto
    Quote Originally Posted by johnny22aa
    from me: 4/17/08

    bradderr, bsan naa pa na sa akong atubangan ang video all the time, wa koy pakialam bsta buhaton nako ang angay nkong buhaton. so what if the video sells hotcakes? what im taking is about my own reputation as a med profession abroad. of course i would feel remorse on what happened to the patient ug sa mga tao ilang na apektahan. pero i have my own job to do. so be it kung makatag na, let the worst come if thats what you think. if mga puti tries to belittle me by mentioning that sotto incident, as a filipino i would humble down to 'em about that mistake but as med professional in front of their GOD DAMNED face, id just head up as if i say i can still do an excellent job. AND THIS SHOULD BE OUR ATTITUDE! dli ta moapil ug ti orok, para ka2 lng nga kaso!

    from omad: 4/18/08

    you can continue your cat fight later but let me stress a point,

    Johnny22aa:

    we won't know the exact impact of this "VSMMC issue" in the global medical field until we hear from you or your fellow healthcare providers firsthand job-hunting experience in the future. you're right, it doesn't matter "even if this video plays in front of you all day long". of course it won't matter as much to you because you are "a nurse" and it's not in your job description to hire one. that's an HR's or hospital admin's job to hire one. got the point?

    common sense tells me it matters greatly if it plays all day long in front of hospital HR people all over the world, those same people who gets to decide who to hire and not hire. see the difference? let me ask you again, does it matter now?

    you can say: "wa koy pakialam bsta buhaton nako ang angay nkong buhaton" or "kung naa nata sa US, i prove nato nga we are world class" over and over again but what if you or any nurse won't get hired in the US because of either the "nursing board exam issue" or "VSMMC Issue"? how can you show your world-class qualities then if that's the case? mind you, working in Manila all your life is not "world-class".

    see? you have to get hired in the US first before you can show them what you can do. so for now, just wait until "YOU GET HIRED" before opening your yap about showing "mga puti" what you can do. don't start getting cocky as if it's guaranteed you'll get hired 100% in the US, UK or any other country for that matter in the days to come. there are a lot of obstacles in that direction even before both issues came about. it seems to me that you're already counting the chicks before the eggs are hatched.

    sometimes being humble and just doing your best without mentioning it would be appreciated more by people in my opinion.

    it's true that Filipino nurses BEFORE didn't encounter problems when they applied abroad but that changed right after the "nursing exam issue of 2006". even if 90% of future medical field applicants get hired abroad without any hassle but having the rest (10%) running into some problems relating to what ranZter shared then IT IS STILL A BIG IMPACT no matter how you play spin doctor with this issue.

    now you have two more negative issues hanging over your head aside from the existing hurdles that a medical practitioner should overcome when applying for medical jobs abroad. just do the math.


    from me: NOW

    bro, first of all this is not a cat fight and i hate my opinions to be called one. i will also stress my point to you from your own point.

    i agree we still dont know what's the exact impact on the issue yet im not hoping it would be disastrous to me and my fellow med professions here and abroad. why are you hoping that it would hit you? that means you are expecting EVIL things to your life and will keep on happening to you till ur last breath of existence and to your last generation. what im expecting is even this buzz keeps on lingering other people's mind, SO WHAT? i mean everybody should think like this. i have a job to do and i deserve to be have a happy one bsan pila pa na ka scandal!

    you're correct, we will be job hunting for abroad in the future. and i expect my future employers puts a great deal on my resume, my work experience, my academic background, my personal information, character references and of course my performance on the interview. this is what im expecting for "big thinker" HR personnel & hospital admin looking for broad minded med professionals. yes, ur correct, this is reality. and it's another reality for PEA-BRAINED HR personnel and hospital admin. pretty sure dli na cla magduha2x ug hisgot anang sotto incident as if all filipinos are part of it. no doubt bisan sobra na ang shortage sa ilang facilities, they'd never put it out on their minds ka2ng video ilang nakit-an bahin sa sotto! and i make it a point those are of your kind nga di jud mohawa ug magpalayo nimo coz thats what you want and ur expecting in the 1st place.

    yes, i would certainly say nga wa jud koy paki bsta buhaton nako ang angay nko buhaton with a WORLD-CLASS motiff. ang2x naman sad manghilabot sa mga buluhaton sa uban? u should concentrate on what ur doing, otherwise wa juy employer mo hire nimo. ti-orok na lng kas inyo. and of course there should be a standard, a world-class level. first of all, that's the reason US chose pinas because we have the potential to be one (our english advantage is a big, big one!) even there are still big challnges to face. ang2x naman sad mo mentener ka sa level ka2ng nakit an nimo sa sotto. im sure mao na imong ganahan, let it haunt u, deep deep down. FOREVER.

    i again agree with u braader ka2ng nursing board issue. korek ka naglisod jud ang uban, dako kaau tong hassle jud. i have a cousin pa man gli nga nag utang2x ka2 nga time. but did they give up? HELL NO. so what if prc or nclex or your employer sa US decides to let you take again? pili, mag nurse ka or mamaligya na lng kag kuchilyo? kung ganahan jud ka mag nurse sa abroad, ul do everthing to make it happen. no matter how hard it is.

    yes bro, even before nag decide ko moskuyla ug nursing. ga expect na jud ko nga mo abroad ko ug mo trabaho dd2. petitionan ko ug h1b working visa or green card sa akong employer. thats how i see myself after im done sa skul. nganong mog tuga2x kuno ug skuyla aning kursoha kung kbaw ko wa koy padulngan. and bro, im opening my yap not for the sake of arguing but because i know my abilities sa linya sa trabaho, no matter how many scandal is. mao ra jud na akong point. and im saying this should be everyone's elses thinking.

    u say ur anticipating for IMPACT that'd be felt soon. ur correct, it's like lozada! but look at lozada right now, asa naman cya? have u thought about flor contemplacion? ngano preferred man ta sa mga singapore employers more than any other ASEAN countries in terms of it professionals, med workers? sarah balabagan, nganong ang dubai is already the preferred job destination sa ato next to saudi. sa japan, bsan we here japanese nationals are on a threat from crimes here or our japayukis have work issues there? JPEPA? why are they starting to get nurses and caregivers to us? kung ganahan ka, apilon nato c rizal, ngano ang spain already proposes to hire caregivers? cant u just c d glittering gold aside sa sotto incident?

    ur absolutely correct bro na being humble doing ur best without mentioning is more appreciated. but u cant just let others say na ang nursing wa nay kaugmaon just because of that incident. im doing my best to defend that this is just an isolated incident and this should not affect the whole med profession. and that's all this forum "istorya.net" can do, mention by typing and posting what's on ur head. kundi puydi pa lng mo tumbling atubangan NIMO wyl gabasa ka ani, y not!

    i dont need rithmetic nor job issues to dwell upon, for christ sake. maybe ur just getting more involved on the sotto issue rather on own self bradderrr!
    issue rather on own self bradderrr!
    johnny22aa vs. omad, rAnzter and footlose .. debate na ni..

    all i can say is be realistic dude.. dont brag to much for it will destroy you..

  4. #614

    Default Re: V. Sotto Medical Surgery Spectacle

    thats what they say "only in the philippines". imagine how many controversies we had for the past years. impeachment, comelec, chics2x sa congress, etc. we can never be world class. tsk tsk..

    cge lang, naa man pod "cigar incident" sa whitehouse.

  5. #615

    Default Re: V. Sotto Medical Surgery Spectacle

    to the med practicioners and to all the professionals : just learn from this uber mistake and move forward... (OT: mawala ghapon ni nga issue, it will die itself... like the Lozada case, naa pa bay kisaw? wla naman) LEARN AND MOVE FORWARD.. we don't have all the time in the world, life's too short. make this as a warning guide for all us...

  6. #616

    Default Re: V. Sotto Medical Surgery Spectacle

    bro, first of all this is not a cat fight and i hate my opinions to be called one. i will also stress my point to you from your own point.

    i agree we still dont know what's the exact impact on the issue yet im not hoping it would be disastrous to me and my fellow med professions here and abroad. why are you hoping that it would hit you? that means you are expecting EVIL things to your life and will keep on happening to you till ur last breath of existence and to your last generation. what im expecting is even this buzz keeps on lingering other people's mind, SO WHAT? i mean everybody should think like this. i have a job to do and i deserve to be have a happy one bsan pila pa na ka scandal!
    [br]_________________________________________________

    this is the exact same response made by those who passed the Nursing Board back in 2006. why would I worry? why would I retake when it's only 10% of the whole batch who cheated? a lot of hospitals would hire me in the US 'coz it's only a board exam anyway, no worries. I should be hired 'coz I'm not involved with the scandal.

    one thing those people forgot was that, they were the applicants. they are the ones who should abide by the rules imposed by the CGFNS, hospitals and clinics and not the other way around. if you don't follow the requirements, how would you be hired?

    to further explain what I meant, here's part of CGFNS decision on that cheating scandal:

    Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA. They heard the Task Force present its concerns about CGFNS's decision to deny VisaScreen® certification to the June 2006 passers of the Philippine Nursing Licensure Exam. After listening to and reviewing the concerns of the delegation, Joel and Nichols explained that CGFNS's decision was based on the requirements of U.S. law and was not subject to re-negotiation or further review.

    CGFNS Website


    you're correct, we will be job hunting for abroad in the future. and i expect my future employers puts a great deal on my resume, my work experience, my academic background, my personal information, character references and of course my performance on the interview. this is what im expecting for "big thinker" HR personnel & hospital admin looking for broad minded med professionals. yes, ur correct, this is reality. and it's another reality for PEA-BRAINED HR personnel and hospital admin. pretty sure dli na cla magduha2x ug hisgot anang sotto incident as if all filipinos are part of it. no doubt bisan sobra na ang shortage sa ilang facilities, they'd never put it out on their minds ka2ng video ilang nakit-an bahin sa sotto! and i make it a point those are of your kind nga di jud mohawa ug magpalayo nimo coz thats what you want and ur expecting in the 1st place.

    let's do an analytical exercise and figure out a simple problem.

    you are an American HR personnel:

    you have to choose between two nurse applicants having somewhat of an identical resume: work experience, academic background and result of the personal interview. all requirements have been completed and in your opinion, both have earned the job if there were a lot of vacancies BUT there is only one spot available. one problem is, you have not personally experienced working with both races (applicants came from different countries) so you don't have a clue on the work ethics of either one. one thing you're good at is that you are abreast with the current happenings/news in the medical field mainly because it's your job description. so anything related or concerning the medical community you are aware of including the cheating in the Nursing Board Exam in 2006 as well as the famous V Sotto YouTube video.

    oh, I forgot... one applicant is from South Africa and the other is from the Philippines.

    who would you hire?
    Shut Up! Let your GAME do the talking!

  7. #617

    Default Re: V. Sotto Medical Surgery Spectacle

    with [quote=omad ]
    Quote Originally Posted by johnny22aa
    [b]
    oh, I forgot... one applicant is from South Africa and the other is from the Philippines.

    who would you hire?
    this is a very nice question...
    well with what had happened considering the 2006 Nursing Board Exam and the controversial vicente sotto scandal, i would better hire someone in Africa. Nobody is perfect, not all people in africa are honest same here in the Philippines, not all doctors are good same as here, but I my decision would be based on the facts at hand and not on my doubts.
    I have seen the video and with that alone, I have doubts. Its better to hire idiots at least you have nothing much to expect.

  8. #618

    Default Re: V. Sotto Medical Surgery Spectacle

    way ayo Sawdern Ayland..

  9. #619

    Default Re: V. Sotto Medical Surgery Spectacle

    pka ulaw lng ni cla sa cebu

  10. #620

    Default Re: VSMMC Scandal about sa operation atong nga tawo sa iya b*tt..Unsa inyo masay?

    Quote Originally Posted by franzziss
    bro.. naa naman same thread ani.
    sorry i thought wala...hehe! sori sori sori jud ayu bro.!!!

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